<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ming637:</div><div class="quote_post">I like the choices of Patrick Ewing and Gary Payton. Both players led their teams in their primes and wouldn't have gone far without them. They were great leaders and they deserved an MVP award.</div> In what year did Patrick Ewing or Gary Payton deserve an MVP?
I'd also like to know, I can't think of any year where Payton was better than 3rd best candidate, and Ewing better than 4th on the list.
Nah, I didn't think it like that. I just thought with what and how their careers have been, I thought they deserved one.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ming637:</div><div class="quote_post">Nah, I didn't think it like that. I just thought with what and how their careers have been, I thought they deserved one.</div> Yeah, but that doesn't make any sense. If there isn't a year they deserved it, then how did they deserve it? That's a contradiction. Unless you mean they deserve an "honorary MVP" award. But that's just silly.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">I'd also like to know, I can't think of any year where Payton was better than 3rd best candidate, and Ewing better than 4th on the list.</div> Didn't you also say you thought Gary deserved one?....
I said he's one of the best players to not win an MVP award, I didn't say he deserved an MVP award. I never said there was a year he deserved to win if over someone else. He got unlucky to be playing at the same time as guys like Jordan, Hakeem and Malone, what can you do?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">I said he's one of the best players to not win an MVP award, I didn't say he deserved an MVP award. I never said there was a year he deserved to win if over someone else. He got unlucky to be playing at the same time as guys like Jordan, Hakeem and Malone, what can you do?</div> That doesn't make sense. He one of the best to not win one but he doesn't deserve one?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Franchise4Ever:</div><div class="quote_post">That doesn't make sense. He one of the best to not win one but he doesn't deserve one? </div> It makes sense. Fact is, there really aren't many (if any) players who never won an MVP that really deserved it at one point.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">It makes sense. Fact is, there really aren't many (if any) players who never won an MVP that really deserved it at one point.</div> But saying he is one of the best to not win one obviously implies that he deserved one. I mean because he was one of the best to not win one......kind of get me? If he didn't deserve one then he shouldn't be one of the best ones to not win one.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Franchise4Ever:</div><div class="quote_post">If he didn't deserve one then he shouldn't be one of the best ones to not win one.</div> Perhaps you're going by a different definition of "deserved an MVP". I take it you feel there are multiple players every year that deserve the MVP? As I see it ... there's only one player every year that actually deserves it. That is, "the most valuable player." If there were multiple deserving candidates, then it wouldn't make sense to call it "Most Valuable", would it? You'd have to call it the "One of the Most Valuable Players" award. Gary Payton was a great player in his prime. Probably top 4 or 5 in the league, over multiple seasons. Best player at his position for many seasons in a row. So, yes he qualifies as one of the best players to have never won an MVP. But there isn't a single year where I would say he actually deserved it. Nothing contradictory there.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">Perhaps you're going by a different definition of "deserved an MVP". I take it you feel there are multiple players every year that deserve the MVP? As I see it ... there's only one player every year that actually deserves it. That is, "the most valuable player." If there were multiple deserving candidates, then it wouldn't make sense to call it "Most Valuable", would it? You'd have to call it the "One of the Most Valuable Players" award. Gary Payton was a great player in his prime. Probably top 4 or 5 in the league, over multiple seasons. Best player at his position for many seasons in a row. So, yes he qualifies as one of the best players to have never won an MVP. But there isn't a single year where I would say he actually deserved it. Nothing contradictory there.</div> I see flaws in your logic. You're going on the assumption that the "most valuable player" (by your standards) will be accurately chosen every year. I doubt the Media has correctly chosen the "most valuable player" by their/your normal standards, every single year. One gets the impression they arbitrarily decide things or modify the requirements to fit the players they personally like.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">I said he's one of the best players to not win an MVP award, I didn't say he deserved an MVP award. I never said there was a year he deserved to win if over someone else. He got unlucky to be playing at the same time as guys like Jordan, Hakeem and Malone, what can you do?</div> That doesnt make sense. You are saying that Payton was one of the best player to never win an MVP Award, doesnt that mean he deserved it but didnt get it??
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">So, yes he qualifies as one of the best players to have never won an MVP. But there isn't a single year where I would say he actually deserved it. </div> That still doesn't make sense. How can he be one of the best players to not win one and not deserve it? Obviously he is one of the best players to not win one, meaning he should have won one, which means he deserved one. You can't think he is a best player to not win one and yet you think he doesn't deserve one. It doesn't make sense. By saying he doesn't deserve one means that he is not a best player to not win one. Best player to not win one means you think they should have gotten one, which means you think they deserved one. Kind of get me? I think I went in circles there....
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Franchise4Ever:</div><div class="quote_post">That still doesn't make sense. How can he be one of the best players to not win one and not deserve it? Obviously he is one of the best players to not win one meaning he should have won one which means he deserved one. You can't think he is a best player to not win one and yet you think he doesn't deserve one. It doesn't make sense. By saying he doesn't deserve one means that he is not a best player to not win one. Best player to not win one means you think they should have gotten one, which means you think they deserved one. Kind of get me? I think I went in circles there....</div> Thats exactly what I am saying. I think og15 is confused.
most of you people just look at great players and say they deserve an mvp award. However, you aren't paying any attention to how it was at that time, that special season. Maybe there were better players at exactly that time. ps. This doesn't go to everyone...
wow, GP is one of the best players never to win an mvp, but there was never a year when he deserved to win an mvp. do you guys understand og15 and durvasa now? For his overall career gp is an mvp caliber player, but never had an outstanding enough year to win one
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">wow, GP is one of the best players never to win an mvp, but there was never a year when he deserved to win an mvp. do you guys understand og15 and durvasa now? For his overall career gp is an mvp caliber player, but never had an outstanding enough year to win one</div> Ok, but not everyone is talking about GP.
