<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pakman:</div><div class="quote_post">Why is it wrong to compare Iverson to Jordan? They both played SG. Iverson played SG majority of his career that we're comparing with Jordan. They were both team leaders, they basically ran the offense for their teams. So, why is it not valid to compare them? Even on the rebounds, you can't say that it is not valid to compare Ben Wallace's rebounds to Yao because Yao is like 9 inches taller. They both play the same position!</div> I am saying it's wrong to compare Jordan to Iverson on rebounds because they are two different sizes. Jordan weighs 41 lbs more than Iverson and 6 more inches. How is a guy that is that small suppose to average as much rebounds as him? Also, I am saying they aren't comparable because Iverson's career isn't over. How do you know that Iverson won't finish his career playing more years of PG and SG. Right now you can say that they are comparable. Also, Iverson's career isn't over yet. So you really can't say that Iverson won't be as good. I know its unlikely, but you never know. To me, they are two different types of players that are different and are good in their own ways. Iverson is good where he is at and Jordan where he is at. I know no one will ever be as good as Jordan. But my point is not saying that Iverson is better than Jordan, but that they aren't comparable. Also, this is not really a competition. Jordan has accomplished much more than AI. AI will never be as good as Jordan. AI will be good, but not as good.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Umair15:</div><div class="quote_post">How do you know that Iverson won't finish his career playing more years of PG and SG. Right now you can say that they are comparable. </div> No, really? We are comparing in the present as of September 25th. We're not in Star Trek in the future trying to compare Jordan and Iverson at the end of their careers, we're talking of present if you haven't gotten that through your head. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Umair15:</div><div class="quote_post">Also, Iverson's career isn't over yet. So you really can't say that Iverson won't be as good. </div> You know you just said two opposite things. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Umair15:</div><div class="quote_post"> AI will never be as good as Jordan. AI will be good, but not as good.</div> Why bother bringing up the fact that Iverson's career isn't over yet when YOU already admitted that Iverson will NEVER be as good as Jordan? <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Umair15:</div><div class="quote_post">I am saying it's wrong to compare Jordan to Iverson on rebounds because they are two different sizes.</div> Too bad we can't make everyone in the NBA the same size, can we? Everyone in the NBA is different weight/height for their position. Earl Boykins is 5'5 PG, while Jason Kidd is a 6'4 PG. Guess what? They both go on the same stat sheets. They aren't divided by labels of "Little players, average players, tall players." Jordan was taller than Iverson and thats his advantage.
People were talking about who would end up being better at the end of their careers. That is why I mentioned that part. If we are talking about right now, then it wouldn't be fair since Jordan already ended his career and Iverson didnt. A good question to ask would be who was better at this point of their careers, so then the answer would be Jordan.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Umair15:</div><div class="quote_post">I am saying it's wrong to compare Jordan to Iverson on rebounds because they are two different sizes. Jordan weighs 41 lbs more than Iverson and 6 more inches. How is a guy that is that small suppose to average as much rebounds as him? </div> He can't. Which is one of the reasons he's not as good. Let's say someone is 5'9, can't jump over two sheets of paper, and they're terribly uncoordinated. Should a coach just look past that, because he can't help being physically disadvantaged? No, tha'ts part of what you take into account when you evaluate a player. Iverson won't get you as many rebounds as Jordan because of his small stature. That can't be ignored. Forget about the PG/SG designation. That's irrelevant. Iverson and Jordan are both scoring guards, and they can also play point. Iverson is quicker, but Jordan is better because he's bigger, stronger, a better defender, more in control, more fundementally sound, etc. I notice a lot of people like to make the "pound for pound" comparison. I think that's all a bunch of nonsense that doesn't mean anything in the real world. The relevant question is ... if you can choose between Jordan or Iverson for your guard position, who do you take? The answer, obviously, is Jordan (because of all the reasons I mentioned in the previous paragraph).
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post"> I notice a lot of people like to make the "pound for pound" comparison. I think that's all a bunch of nonsense that doesn't mean anything in the real world. The relevant question is ... if you can choose between Jordan or Iverson for your guard position, who do you take? The answer, obviously, is Jordan (because of all the reasons I mentioned in the previous paragraph).</div> Same. I dont believe in the pound for pound stuff. If you're going to do pound for pound, you might as well make every person in the NBA the same height, same weight, same everything so they can be compared easier? Nonsense. If a player is tall, thats his advantage. If a player is quick, thats his advantage. Also, I think using heigh as an excuse is BS. I am much shorter than the guys I play, but I manage to get around using my strength (quickness) .. using pump fakes. You've got to work on your weaknesses insteaded of using them as excuses.
I know this isn't the case but imagine if iverson was 6'6 and weighed 220. wonder what kind of a career he would have had then.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Answer_AI03:</div><div class="quote_post">I know this isn't the case but imagine if iverson was 6'6 and weighed 220. wonder what kind of a career he would have had then.</div> Does he get to keep the same quickness and speed as well? And if not, how would his game have to change, and would he be successful with the adjustment? To often people assume that if a player was bigger/heavier/stronger, then everything else will stay the same. That's very unrealistic.
ya thats a good point durvasa. because if iverson was 6'6" he wouldn't be as quick as he is now. his dribbling wouldn't be as good, and he would probably be less coordinated. Don't get me wrong, i think iverson is one of the best in the league, but i wouldn't compare him to jordan.
I agree w/ almost everyone in this thread, there is no question, the Answer cant measure up to Jordan, no one can ever measure up to his airness, thats why i hate it when people say "Hes the next Jordan" because no one can ever be the next Jordan.
<div class="quote_poster">CPaulDWade#3 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I agree w/ almost everyone in this thread, there is no question, the Answer cant measure up to Jordan, no one can ever measure up to his airness, thats why i hate it when people say "Hes the next Jordan" because no one can ever be the next Jordan.</div> couldnt have said it better myself no one will be the next jordan lebron kobe no one there great players but i really dont see anyone even being better then jordan but you know what thats what keeps player playin to think maybe they could be like mike
