How many defensive player of the year awards has Reggie Evans won? How much playoff experience does he have? Has he started in 93 playoff games? No. Like I said before, does Evans impact the marketing of the Bulls as much as Ben? No. You guys can debate all you want but each and every one of you know that I am right.
^^lol, no one thinks you are right because big ben hasnt played a single bulls game yet. None of us (except you apparently) have a crystal ball that tells us how good the bulls are gonna be next year, or how much of an impact big ben will have. And could you please respond to me on how big ben is gonna make this team better with his marketability?
Can I please respond to you? Try respond AGAIN. Big Ben puts fans in the seats, Big Ben puts the Bulls on national television, Big Ben sells merchandise. All of this is important to the team OFF the court. ON the court, Wallace is one of the best defenders in the game and he can compete with any center in the league. If you don't feel that he is an upgrade over Tyson Chandler and that this team won't improve then your crazy. Ben Gordon is inconsistent, isn't the superstar Wallace is, isn't as marketable as Wallace, and he isn't as valuable. If you added Ben Wallace to any team in the league, it would improve. The same can not be said for Ben Gordon.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Swish15:</div><div class="quote_post">This isn't just about most talented player, it's who is most important to the team. The fans in Chicago are pumped about this team (I'm sure you'll agree with that since your one of them). Ben Wallace has brought excitement back to the city of Chicago when it comes to the Bulls. That's pretty important if you ask me. Also, you made it sound like Ben Wallace has never played with a decent point guard before. Chauncey Billups is one of the better point guards in the league and he is arguably better than Hinrich. Hinrich will be good for Wallace but I don't think it's the best thing happen to ever happen to him.</div> Fans are Pumped? Well to be honest fans have been pumped and have been a top five ticketseller since Mike left til now. So that doesnt make Wallace MVP. You keep talking about his afro and how people are going to go wild but lets be honest here. Ben wallace is a role player. The player that you would compare Ben Wallace to is Dennis Rodman. In reality Dennis Rodman is better than Wallace. Dennis was a role player at SanAntonio, Detroit and Chicago. So how is Ben Wallce not a role player. Wallace is like rodman without the mind game aspect that Dennis brought to the table. Dennis is the only man who could totally shut down shaq in his prime.
This whole team is made up of role players then. Which player on the Bulls roster right now was an All-Star last season? Ben Wallace. And when I say the fans are pumped, I mean they feel like a Finals appearence could be made as early as this season.
How do nationally televised games, and merchandise sold make this team better? and as i said, big ben will only bring in band wagon fans, taking away seats fromt he die hards, that hurts our team.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Swish15:</div><div class="quote_post">Can I please respond to you? Try respond AGAIN. Big Ben puts fans in the seats, Big Ben puts the Bulls on national television, Big Ben sells merchandise. All of this is important to the team OFF the court. ON the court, Wallace is one of the best defenders in the game and he can compete with any center in the league. If you don't feel that he is an upgrade over Tyson Chandler and that this team won't improve then your crazy. Ben Gordon is inconsistent, isn't the superstar Wallace is, isn't as marketable as Wallace, and he isn't as valuable. If you added Ben Wallace to any team in the league, it would improve. The same can not be said for Ben Gordon.</div> How can a guy who hasnt seen most of the chicago bulls games Knock any of our current players? We werent mediocre in this past playoffs we took the best team in the NBA 6 games and made it 1 hell of a series. So you cant knock our last years team for not being able to beat a team that the pistons couldnt beat either. And lets be honest, the year they did get past the heat was because both Shaq and Wade suffered serious injuries.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">How do nationally televised games, and merchandise sold make this team better?</div> I'm saying it helps the owners and it helps the front office. It has nothing to do with the way the team performs on the court and I'm not sure why you don't understand this. He makes an impact on the court and off the court. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">and as i said, big ben will only bring in band wagon fans, taking away seats fromt he die hards, that hurts our team.</div> Yeah because the owners care who is buying the tickets and all.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Swish15:</div><div class="quote_post">This whole team is made up of role players then. Which player on the Bulls roster right now was an All-Star last season? Ben Wallace. And when I say the fans are pumped, I mean they feel like a Finals appearence could be made as early as this season.</div> LOL they sent basically the whole Pistons Starting lineup just because they got the hype of having alot of wins. Which at the end meant nothing. Like ron harper said 72-10 dont mean a thing without a ring.
And for all of you who said that Duhon could replace hinrich and we would still be okay you really havent seen many bulls games. Although Chris is a great backup he is very very inconsisant. And at times his desision making is highly questionable.
Lets be real here. All of this Ben Wallace stuff is all speculation. Who defends other leagues best guards for the bulls? Who is responsible for getting the team involved? Who has had the most responabilities of any player on the Chicago Bulls roster? That would be Kirk. Lets be real Hinrich is most of the reason that we have gotten as good as we have. He was also made to play the 2 guard when the roster was being moved around. He is a true point guard and stepped up to the plate and became a scorer. He is any coach’s dream. There is no crack in his game and all he does is get better year after year. Ben Wallace has been known to have altercations with his head coaches. He can’t hit a freethrow to save his life. He is a liability late in close games (hack a Ben). I’m not saying that he doesn’t have upsides but he can’t create his own shot. He has almost no offensive presence in the middle. What I am saying is that there are a lot of chinks in this guys armor. And to call him our MVP that would be an insult to the players who have gotten Chicago as far as it has come. To be honest hinrich's only weakness is he may need to work on drawing more contact while shooting. Everything else is gold. His defense is gold Freethrow shooting is gold He’s a great passer In close games he’s great under pressure and we are better with him in the game because he can create shots hit freethrows and create plays for others on the floor. Damn has anyone been watching the world cup? When chris paul is getting rocked out of his shoes who do they call? Kirk! Kirk has had a great showing in the fiba world cup. And the world is begining to see the great skills that this guy has. Ben Gordon isn’t our MVP either. He’s prone to take wild shots He’s prone to run away from contact. His defense still needs a lot of work. (Although he has come a long way.) Sometimes he’s caught daydreaming on the court. At times you forget he’s even in the game. Don’t get me wrong I love Ben but his Mid range shooting needs a lot of work also. Nochioni's greatest strength is sometimes his greatest weakness. And that’s his Toughness. He picks up a lot of unnecessary fouls and sometimes plays out of control. Although his 3 point shooting has dramatically improved his ball handling isn’t the greatest and his shot midrange is suspect.
Hinrich is as solid as they come, but he is still replaceable by multiply players in my mind. You can get what hinrich brings by having duhon, and another solid scoring point. Gordon on the other hand like i've said closes out games as good as anyone in the league. That is an irreplaceble piece to ANY team. Hinrich's main thing is leadership imo, which is also very replaceably. Nocioni is great, but there are plenty of energy guys that a team can add. And big ben, as stated before is all specultion. Swish, i understand what you are saying, but i dont think it is a big deal at all since the bulls already make tons of money.
Alright guys it?s been over 48 hours now so I?m going to go ahead and close this thread up. Good job to everyone involved very good debate. If anyone had some last post typed up and didn?t get it in let me know and I will open the thread up to let you post it, but outside of that. The voting thread will commence in a couple minutes.
