<div class="quote_poster">Quoting virve119:</div><div class="quote_post">First of all, Birdman, you're a fan of Odom, so all your criticisms of Vince apply just as much if not more to Odom. Secondly, Vince was badass before he got jumpers knee, so if anything, it was injuries due to his insane vert. that slowed him down. Jumper's knee prevented VC from catching up to Kobe. Observe Amare's production to go down this year because of that same injury. And how did he "barely" win a gold? He was the best player on that team, and he was badass the whole Olympics. I can see why a Celtics fan would hate him though considering it seems he always burns you guys with big games or game-winners. Maybe your American bud is a little too potent and is going to your head.</div> Jumper's knee and microfracture surgery (what Amare, Allan Houston, Penny Hardaway and JKidd had) are two ENTIRELY different things, my friend. Bad, bad comparison. Did you watch the 2000 Olympics? We barely beat Lithuania. Lamar Odom doesn't go down like he got shot in the face and writhe around on the ground like some kind of European soccer player with an excess of estrogen every time somebody touches him. I'll say it again, Vince Carter is a ridiculous talent with as much ability (probably more) than anyone alive. But he's simply not a winner. He's a regular season star (and slam dunk champ) period. Good thing he had some real toughness (KG, Glove, etc.) on that 2000 Olympics team to pull him through.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AirJordan:</div><div class="quote_post">Yea Vince was a real ***** in the olympics... besides the fact that he broke a refs arm, shoved players to the floor, and dunked over a 7 footer</div> None of those three things prove true mental toughness, at all. You're delusional if you think they do. I'd expect more from somebody using that screen name.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheCh0sen0ne238:</div><div class="quote_post">i shoulda known that a lamar odom and toni kukoc fan would be terrible a disses</div> And I've always known that people from New Jersey are border-line retarded.
This year Carter will prove to all he is a winner. Playing on the Nets with Jason Kidd and Richard Jefferson will het him. Last year our bench wasn't as good as it will be this year. We have Marcus Williams, Eddie House, Josh Boone, and other who will rpovide enough energy of the bench to let us win games. Nenad Krstic is also improving and that will also help the Nets get far this year. Vince may not have been a winner but this year he will be.
People always slightly overatted how good Vince could be IMO. He does lack the mental toughness to be as good as he can be, but his mental toughness is both overatted and underatted by people. Some people act like Vince doesn't produce down the stretch, which seems to be disproved every season, but some are still living back when he missed the shot against Philly. People also act like his flailing has any relation to mental toughness, many players flail, only some get criticized for it, depends on how much you likethe guy. Others act like Vince does all he can to win, and I can't agree, he's too willing to take a backseat to others at times, he doesn't want to be the man. I don't agree with him not knowing how to play winning basketball, he hasn't really been a "loser" in his career depending on how you define a loser. He hasn't won anything big, but many players are in that boat, it's not like he's ever been on a championship caliber team in the first place. I do agree that if someone critized Vince extremely, they would have to criticize a guy like Odom even more. Odom has even more skills than Vince, not the athleticism, but skills are more important, yet his mental toughness might be even worse. Odom has the skills and ability to play every position, can rebound, pass, has shooting ability (though far from a shooter), can handle the ball very well for a 6'10 guy, but can't get out of being more than just and above average player. He's way too passive, and doesn't take control at times he should. He's not even a reliable second option player, and he should easily be one.
I really have to disagree with the part that vince Carter takes a "backseat" and doesn't want to be the "man". I really, highly doubt that. I hate to bring this up again, but the man shoots like there's no tomorrow. Really now... Carter taking a backseat? He forces more shots than any other player. I know i'm going to get a lot of flack (again) for this, but let's call a spade a spade, Vince Carter takes most of the shots for the Nets. He loves the spotlight, he loves having the ball, and he definitely likes taking the crucial shots.
Carter takes the most shots for the Nets because he is the best scorer. Carter is unselfish is you have ever watched a Nets game you will see he doesn't force shots like Kobe does. Vince plays avarege for 3 quarters and for the last quarter he plays better and takes it to another level.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Nets game you will see he doesn't force shots like Kobe does.</div> My problem with Carter is he starts taking too many three-pointers. He has the ability to get to the basket on each play, but he settles on the 3 instead. That is really annoying for me. Why take the less percentage shot when you could take the high percentage shot? In my eyes he sometimes looks like he is afraid of the contact,so he stays on the perimeter.
^^Yeah, thats true he falls in love with the mid range, he should attack the basket get fouled and hit free throws.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AMS_ice:</div><div class="quote_post">I really have to disagree with the part that vince Carter takes a "backseat" and doesn't want to be the "man". I really, highly doubt that. I hate to bring this up again, but the man shoots like there's no tomorrow. Really now... Carter taking a backseat? He forces more shots than any other player. I know i'm going to get a lot of flack (again) for this, but let's call a spade a spade, Vince Carter takes most of the shots for the Nets. He loves the spotlight, he loves having the ball, and he definitely likes taking the crucial shots.</div> Well who else would you expect to take most of the shots for the Nets?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kidd:</div><div class="quote_post">My problem with Carter is he starts taking too many three-pointers. He has the ability to get to the basket on each play, but he settles on the 3 instead. That is really annoying for me. Why take the less percentage shot when you could take the high percentage shot? In my eyes he sometimes looks like he is afraid of the contact,so he stays on the perimeter.</div>Exactly how I feel. It seems to happen in trends too. For five games he'll attack, five games he'll settle. Coach Frank should emphasize it more so he gets used to slashing every game.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Well who else would you expect to take most of the shots for the Nets?</div> That's why I disagree with you in saying that Carter takes a backseat. You just proved me right.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Carter:</div><div class="quote_post">Carter takes the most shots for the Nets because he is the best scorer. Carter is unselfish is you have ever watched a Nets game you will see he doesn't force shots like Kobe does. Vince plays avarege for 3 quarters and for the last quarter he plays better and takes it to another level.</div> Oh but I do watch. I watch closely enough to see how many forced shots he takes, or how many 40 footers he takes. What's up with that? He plays like he's in an exhibition game with all his antics.
^ for real your really a hater, how many 40 foot shots does he put a game?? he maybe put up like 3 all last year that werent buzzer beaters and he hit 2 of em, and i should know ive seen every nets game last season
AMS_ice doesn't like Carter so he makes up some random stuff. I don't care if you like Vince or not just don't make up stuff. 40 footers?
what the hell are you guys talking about? when vince was on the raptors, he had an incredbile supporting cast. Antonio Davis was an all-star, Alvin Williams was a very good pg, Charles Oakley was a great banger inside, Jerome Williams was at the peak of his career, Mo Pete was solid off the bench, and Chris Childs was one of the best back up pg's in the league. If anything, playing with this talent and only making the second round shows a lack of ability for Carter to lead a team. He also could NEVER get out of the first round with T-Mac on his side, as he was awful in the playoffs against the Knicks.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Carter:</div><div class="quote_post">AMS_ice doesn't like Carter so he makes up some random stuff. I don't care if you like Vince or not just don't make up stuff. 40 footers?</div> Random stuff? Find someone who hasn't seen him fire up a shot well beyond the three point arc. He's done it a number of times, he even practices those shots. Open your eyes man.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AMS_ice:</div><div class="quote_post">Random stuff? Find someone who hasn't seen him fire up a shot well beyond the three point arc. He's done it a number of times, he even practices those shots. Open your eyes man.</div> He does take alot of jumpers but 40 footers? Maybe at end of quarters when the clock is winding down.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TORaptors bb4:</div><div class="quote_post">what the hell are you guys talking about? when vince was on the raptors, he had an incredbile supporting cast. Antonio Davis was an all-star, Alvin Williams was a very good pg, Charles Oakley was a great banger inside, Jerome Williams was at the peak of his career, Mo Pete was solid off the bench, and Chris Childs was one of the best back up pg's in the league. If anything, playing with this talent and only making the second round shows a lack of ability for Carter to lead a team. He also could NEVER get out of the first round with T-Mac on his side, as he was awful in the playoffs against the Knicks.</div> A "very good" supporting cast is not truly what we had. It was good for the East, but Alvin Williams was not a very good PG, he wasn't even a true PG, he's a combo guard. Chris Childs was passable, but in crunch time he was quite annoying with his mistakes. There was no true second option player, AD was the second option scoring 13.7 PPG. Carter was the first at 27.6 PPG, HUGE dropoff. We were similar to the Sixers team, but not as good defensively because we didn't have a Mutombo. When Tmac was on the Raptors, that was our first year in the playoffs, saying he (Carter) could "never get out of the first round" doesn't make sense when it was his first year there, and playing against a 50 win Knick team. We went to the second round <u>after</u> Tmac left. I'm not sure what Raptors team you watched. A 40 foot shot is close to halfcourt. The three point line is 23'9 if he's stepping back 5 feet behind the three point line even, he's only 29 feet away. He takes 28-29 foot jumpshots, Kobe and Arenas do the same too. I don't know why he takes them, yea he makes some, but there's no need to.
