According to a Sports Business Journal study by Martin B. Schmidt that took into consideration not just points, but shooting efficiency, rebounding, assists, blocks, and steals. It shows how many wins that a player produced for his team with the factors listed above(not just points). These rankings are more in comparison to other players of his position. The example that they give was that LeBron James had 7 rebounds, 6.6 assists, 1.6 steals and .84 blocks, which is all well above the average for players of his position, so he got a high score. While Carmelo Anthony only averaged 4.9 rebounds, 2.7 assists, 1.1 steals and .53 blocks, which is well below the average of players at his position. These rankings only involve players with a minimum of 15 ppg. <u>Top 10 Substance Players(do more then just score)</u> Kevin Garnett-26.5 wins Shawn Marion-22.6 wins LeBron James-20.4 wins Steve Nash-18.6 wins Dwayne Wade-18.2 wins Chris Paul-18.0 wins Dirk Nowitzki-18.0 wins Elton Brand-17.7 wins Dwight Howard 17.6 wins Paul Pierce-17.3 wins <u>Top 10 Style Players(basically just score)</u> Zach Randolph- negative .1 win Al Harrington-.6 wins Ben Gordon-1.0 win Stephen Jackson-1.5 wins Ron Artest-2.9 wins Richard Hamilton-3.6 wins Stephon Marbury-4.2 wins Carmelo Anthony-4.8 wins Ricky Davis-5.0 wins Chris Webber-5.2 wins Pick up last weeks Sports Business Journal if you want to read more about it. I thought this information was very interesting and wanted to share it with you.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GatorsowntheNCAA:</div><div class="quote_post">Pick up last weeks Sports Business Journal if you want to read more about it. I thought this information was very interesting and wanted to share it with you.</div>Interesting to say the least. I'm sure there isn't a problem with their formula or how they added it up, but just that their results really didn't reflect what the majority of us would think. Example: Kobe is not a top 10 player in "doing more than scoring" AND "only scores"? I would atleast he would be in the one that produces wins for his team. Also, Garnett produces the most wins of any player in the league, and yet he's never been able to take his team over the top.
Thanks for sharing the piece. I agree with Heat4Life, the results don't seem to reflect accurate rankings. The one which caught my eye first was Ron Artest. I know he takes a lot of difficult shots, but just look at the Kings before and after his acquisition. He completely turned around their season, and provided a 10 point differential on defense. A better statistic instead of averages per game, is averages per 100 possessions.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">A better statistic instead of averages per game, is averages per 100 possessions.</div> How many games does it take a player to achieve 100 possessions? About 4-6 games im guessing. I think we need more than that. Maybe 400 possessions would be better
To be honest, this sounds like an amateurish 82games.Com piece (or an amateurish durvasa post ). There's more to the game than just the basic points-rebounds-assists-etc. statistics. You have to consider On/Off Court stats, PER and Opp PER stats, etc. This report also sounds like it fails to really touch on defense. You can't look at who gets the most blocks or steals and then say they're the best defensive player in the league, because a lot of the time it's the complete opposite. Guys like Shane Battier, and even Ron Artest, are not necessarily 'stat' guys, but they're undeniably two of the leauge's top defensive difference makers.
Surprising that Tim Duncan wasn't included in the Substance list either. If it was based off just last season then it's understandable but if we were comprising this list without the use of heavy statistics to prove points like this article did, Timmy should definetly be involved.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GatorsowntheNCAA:</div><div class="quote_post">According to a Sports Business Journal study by Martin B. Schmidt that took into consideration not just points, but shooting efficiency, rebounding, assists, blocks, and steals. It shows how many wins that a player produced for his team with the factors listed above(not just points). These rankings are more in comparison to other players of his position. The example that they give was that LeBron James had 7 rebounds, 6.6 assists, 1.6 steals and .84 blocks, which is all well above the average for players of his position, so he got a high score. While Carmelo Anthony only averaged 4.9 rebounds, 2.7 assists, 1.1 steals and .53 blocks, which is well below the average of players at his position. These rankings only involve players with a minimum of 15 ppg. I thought this information was very interesting and wanted to share it with you.</div> It's inferior to PER. Ball possessions are also not taken into account.
Yeah I didn't really agree with much of the list either, but I thought it was interesting and wanted to get other insight on it. I was surprised Kirilenko wasn't on substance and that Dwight Howard made the Top 10.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AirJordan:</div><div class="quote_post">How many games does it take a player to achieve 100 possessions? About 4-6 games im guessing. I think we need more than that. Maybe 400 possessions would be better</div> I was referring to the average breakdown of a team's 100 possessions. For example .. How many points, assists, rebounds etc. does a player average during his team's 100 possessions?
