<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chutney:</div><div class="quote_post"> btw deception, do you really think Parker will play SF and Peterson will play SG? I figured that since Parker is a better scorer, is not as tall as Peterson, and not as good defensively, that he would hold down the 2.</div> i'm looking at the defensive end- i doubt parker at 31 and coming off his euroleague stint can guard nba 2's who are completely dependent on their athletic ability at times, whereas, mo pete's greatest assest- is his ability to guard these 2's well. although, i do think mo pete will move over to the three when fred jones comes in.
Starting line: C: Rasho (28 mpg) PF: Bosh (35 mpg) SF: Mo Pete (30 mpg) SG: Fred Jones (25 mpg) PG: TJ Ford (30 mpg) Bench: C: Bargnani (20 mpg) PF: Garbajosa (5 mpg) / Humphries (8) SF: Joey Graham (10 mpg) Garbajosa (8) SG: Parker (23 mpg) PG: Calderon (18 mpg) Injury time: Derrick Martin Pape Sow Trybanski
I'd have to go with deception on this one. We gotta save our star and prevent him from wearing down, try and keep him to under 40 min a game on avg. Bosh had games last year where he was so tired he couldn't be counted on as being the first option and he would have limited production. I don't think the extra heavy minutes would be doing us any favours in the long run. I think minutes will probably go something like this: Starting Line-up: 5- Rasho - 20 4 - Bosh - 38 3 - Mo Pete - 35 2 - Parker - 24 1 - TJ Ford - 33 Bench: 5 - Garbajosa - 20, Humphries 8 4 - Bargnani - 10, 3 - Joey Graham 13 2 - Fred Jones 24 1 - Calderon 15 I think Calderon is a wait and see in terms of his minutes. He came in really strong last year than wore down in a hurry once the schedule picked up and he logged a bunch of games. I think humphries will get the Lauren Woods minutes to start (he'll have to prove himself quickly or be left with a premanent grove on the bench). I wouldn't be suprized if Slokar cracked the team and got 5-10 minutes a game ... aparently he's a lot like Bonner and Mitchell likes his game. I think Mo still deserves the 35 min a game .. he's proved he can handle it and has just come off a good season for himself. Bargnani's minutes are a real wildcard to me ... it's hard to say how he's going to preform considering he hasn't played a regular season game yet.
Is garbajosa center material? he is only 6'9 and 245. Kris humphries is 6'9 and 235 lbs. Bargnani is 6'11 or 7'0 and 240 or 248 lbs. I think we should have Rasho play as many minutes as he can effectively play, because he is 7'0 and 255 lbs.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SkiptoMyLue11:</div><div class="quote_post">Is garbajosa center material? he is only 6'9 and 245. Kris humphries is 6'9 and 235 lbs. Bargnani is 6'11 or 7'0 and 240 or 248 lbs. I think we should have Rasho play as many minutes as he can effectively play, because he is 7'0 and 255 lbs.</div> I agree with you for the most part. I think that when humphries or garbajosa are on the floor bosh will slide over to the centre spot. I'd like to see Rasho play some good minutes too but given his track record it seems unlikely he'll be able to hold up for a whole game. I was kinda under the impression with Bargnani that he'll start out as a 3/4 kinda deal because his inside skills aren't as solid as his outside game. Over time he'll end up moving towards the 4 ... but given his size i guess you couldn't rule out the 5 either.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting a13x:</div><div class="quote_post">I was kinda under the impression with Bargnani that he'll start out as a 3/4 kinda deal because his inside skills aren't as solid as his outside game. Over time he'll end up moving towards the 4 ... but given his size i guess you couldn't rule out the 5 either.</div> Well I was thinking more for defensive purposes to have Bargnani at the 5, kind of like how Dirk would cover 5s and still play his PF/SF style game on offense. Just because I think we all know how it is having a 6'9 guy as you center, we usually have no one who can D up centers man to man, and 6'9 guys don't have the shot-blocking presence a 7 footer has unless his name is Ben Wallace. I hoping Rasho can give us a solid 28 minutes, and Bargnani covers the remaining 20 at Center.
i think fred jones might start ahead of anthony parker. i just heard an interview with parker on the fan590 website and parker admitted he rarely gets a chance to play with tj ford which leads me to believe hes playing with the second unit.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">i think fred jones might start ahead of anthony parker. i just heard an interview with parker on the fan590 website and parker admitted he rarely gets a chance to play with tj ford which leads me to believe hes playing with the second unit.</div> Or it may mean he starts to get used to playing with T.J.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">i think fred jones might start ahead of anthony parker. i just heard an interview with parker on the fan590 website and parker admitted he rarely gets a chance to play with tj ford which leads me to believe hes playing with the second unit.</div> Interesting point deception. Fred Jones has experience in the nba which Parker doesn't have yet. Not to say that Parker may not start later in the year.
It would make things more interesting. Your top 5 definitely moves faster, Jones would benefit with playing longer with the team's best PG, and you have a much stronger bench with Anthony Parker as the 6th man. On the other hand, you're putting out a very short backcourt who could get easily exploited on defense.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chutney:</div><div class="quote_post">It would make things more interesting. Your top 5 definitely moves faster, Jones would benefit with playing longer with the team's best PG, and you have a much stronger bench with Anthony Parker as the 6th man. On the other hand, you're putting out a very short backcourt who could get easily exploited on defense.</div> I think we needed a quicker shorter SG, just because Mo Pete was the only player we had who could really play SG and he is on the taller end of SGs (really a SF) being 6'7. Whenever J-Rich or Kobe, or Wade or any quicker SG played against us, we didn't have anyone quick enough to guard the SG. Obviously the good thing is we still have Mo Pete, and now we have Parker and Jones, so we can always have Parker play SG or Mo Pete if we need a bigger lineup to match up defensively, and then have Garbajosa guard the SFs.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chutney:</div><div class="quote_post">It would make things more interesting. Your top 5 definitely moves faster</div> the more and more i think about it, colangelo blew it by trading for rasho. i don't see how he can keep up with ford, fred jones, mo pete and bosh. the move is reminiscent of colangelo trading for kurt thomas and brian grant in phoenix, both didn't fit, regardless of their injury woes. elson was the guy to be had and he's a lot cheaper.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">the more and more i think about it, colangelo blew it by trading for rasho. i don't see how he can keep up with ford, fred jones, mo pete and bosh. the move is reminiscent of colangelo trading for kurt thomas and brian grant in phoenix, both didn't fit, regardless of their injury woes. elson was the guy to be had and he's a lot cheaper.</div> I didn't see enough of Kurt Thomas to say that he didn't fit or not, but I thought he would work out well enough hitting deep 2s. And I think Amare really wanted to play at PF, and was tired of playing at C, so it was in interest of pleasing their max-contract star PF. I don't know a lot about Elson either, I guess you could be right about him. Grant didn't work out, but he was signed for the vet's min I think. The Rasho move, I was really tired of having an undersized center who can't block shots every year for the Raptors. So although I liked some other deals more (Mohammed with Detroit, Wright with the Hawks, Pryzbilla would have been nice) I at least am happy that if we want to put a 7 foot guy, to defend block shots, we have that option.
I agree with you deception. As the summer progressed, I got the impression that Colangelo made that deal before he had really decided how he wanted to build his team. It was kind of like, once he got the legit center the team never had, he decided on the rest. It's a shame, because he might really struggle if this team needs to run. Elson was a good option and I was really high on Jackie Butler during the offseason. Both athletic shotblockers/rebounders who could run the floor well. I could definitely see Rasho traded after this season.
<u>PG:</u> <font color=""Navy"">TJ Ford (74 games, 2590 minutes, 35.0 MPG) Jose Calderon (70 games, 1196 minutes, 17.1 MPG) Darrick Martin (20 games, 150 minutes, 7.5 MPG)</font> <u>SG/SF: </u> <font color=""Indigo"">Morris Peterson (82 games, 2706 minutes, 33 MPG) Anthony Parker (65 games, 1690 minutes, 26 MPG) Fred Jones (78 games, 1872 minutes, 24 MPG) Joey Graham (82 games, 1148 minutes, 14 MPG) Andrea Bargnani (70 games, 252 minutes, 2.6 MPG) PJ Tucker (50 games, 204 minutes, 5.5 MPG)</font> <u>PF/C:</u> <font color=""DarkSlateGray"">Chris Bosh (80 games, 3040 minutes, 38 MPG) Jorge Garbajosa (81 games, 1134 minutes, 14 MPG) Andrea Bargnani (70 games, 798 minutes, 11.4 MPG) Rasho Nesterovic (82 games, 1640 minutes, 20 MPG) Kris Humphries (82 games, 902 minutes, 11 MPG) Uros Slokar (56 games, 358 minutes, 6.4 MPG)</font> Something like that. If Bargnani is better then he'll but into a little of Joey and Humphries' time, and give PJ Tucker and Slokar more DNP-CD's.
I don't get to see too many raptors games but I'm surprised how few minutes you are giving to Joey Graham. From what I seen, it looks like he has some room to improve offensively but his shot isn't horrible and he's athletic enough to score 12-14 pts just by running and scoring on putbacks. He also looks like he can be a shutdown defender for 3s or strong 2s like J-Rich. Is my assesment of him way off? I would give him about 25 minutes taking 5 away from both Jones and Parker.
It's not that Joey Graham is worse, it's that we added Fred Jones and Anthony Parker to the team at SG/SF, which just doesn't make enough minutes available. Not everyone off the bench can get 20+ MPG. Joey Graham has to show the improvement first though. He wasn't much of a scorer last season, and his defense was average at BEST. So it if he makes the improvements or if Anthony or Jones are dissapointing, the minutes will come.
