<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Mike Dunleavy flatly stated Monday that his previous NBA coaches didn't use him correctly. Apparently, his third and newest coach agrees. Don Nelson handpicked Dunleavy to be a team captain, along with Baron Davis and Jason Richardson, thereby thrusting the Warriors' fifth-year forward into an unfamiliar leadership role. "Anybody who has the ball in their hands a lot needs to be a leader," Nelson said Tuesday after the first practice of training camp. "He's going to be my point forward, and I think it's important that he start to develop into that area." The captaincy is perhaps the clearest indication yet that the Warriors will count on Dunleavy as a playmaker rather than a producer this season. That suits him just fine after taking a step back in nearly every statistical category in 2005-06. "The first thing I need to do is lead by example on the court, and obviously, the last few years, I haven't been able to do that," he said. "But I'm getting up there. I'm five years into the league now and I can help people." Briefly: The Warriors opened camp by going back to the basics: running simple fastbreak drills during practice and shooting free throws afterward. ... Monta Ellis did not work out Monday and is expected to miss the early part of camp with a strained right thigh. ... The Warriors picked up their contract options on Andris Biedrins ($2.6 million) and Ike Diogu ($2.3 million) for the 2007-08 season. ... As expected, they also bought out Devin Brown's contract to keep themselves under the luxury tax. Brown was set to make $2.6 million this year, but only $500,000 was guaranteed.</div> Source
Wow... simply... wow. I don't know if the guy is like Fisher or Battier when it comes to leadership or shooting an open jumper, but hopefully he acts and plays like a captain this year. Too much inconsistency has ruined him as a credible starter let alone a captain.
Hopefully this will push Dunleavy to be in more plays. You can't be a leader by example if you constantly are on your heels and are not going 100% after the ball and hustling on the court. I wonder what quotes from Dunleavy and Nelson made the author of the article write "Mike Dunleavy flatly stated Monday that his previous NBA coaches didn't use him correctly. Apparently, his third and newest coach agrees." I think Musselman used Dunleavy pretty well(Dunleavy actually got more minutes I think under Muss than Montgomery for a long period of time). When Muss used Dunleavy as the point forward starting games he managed to get good production out of Dunleavy. Though I am not sure if this was because it was near the end of the season and that's when Dunleavy leaves it all on the court, or if it was directly because of him playing point forward. It's up to Dunleavy to decide how good and productive he is going to be on the court. Now that there is no coach excuse for him, I hope the expectations finally come true.
LOL. Harsh. Probably true considering his last two seasons. I mean he had a minor improvement in his '04 year, but his consistency was still pretty awful and without a post presence he couldn't find guys like Dampier from the high post. The things Dunleavy could actually do with a jump shot and an inside presence and a guy who could dribble penetrate unlike Fisher. Dunleavy only seems to excel when he's getting started earlier in the game, he's hitting close up first and then stepping out, and he's got guys like Jay Williams and Carlos Boozer tearing it up inside and out. Of course, that's what this team really needs rather than focussing just on Dunleavy. We need inside presence (and offensive rebounding and putbacks) and we need better outside presence that can get to the rim or shoot the midrange or long J when they are left open or they are contested. No inside outside game and we're screwed. That's why I was hoping we'd have a power forward or a center play that inside game for us. This post up guards and outside shooting big men is just going to leave us limp on the defensive end and especially offensive rebounding. Once those bigs start missing the wide open threes, the guards will have to grab those second chance points in an overcrowded painted area. I don't think our guards can't outrebound the big dudes who already have established good defensive rebounding position. I can't help but feel that Dunleavy at PF and Troy Murphy at C will just cause a lot of athletic players' eyes to light up when they see two white guys that can't block shots that well. I mean if Murphy blocked shots at least as well as Raef La Frentz or Shawn Bradley maybe we'd be okay. But we're not okay. Dunleavy is not exactly Andrei Kirilenko or Curtis Borchardt either.
You know Duke is famous for that. They give all their players acting lessons until they are better than European soccer players pretending to be hurt and in need of a stretcher (specifically Italy). But Dunleavy will look like a fool for the good of the team if it means flagrant foul penalty one on Tyronn. LOL! It's a win win situation. I get a nice laugh on YouTube or on FSN and we get a technical free throw and posession. http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_12.html?nav=ArticleList
I think Dunleavy will be better with the ball in his hands. But it's time for him to put up or shut up. If he isn't better this year under Nelson, then time to get a new SF.
Dunleavy seems like he makes tons of excuses, but he's got the right to defend himself. He's been the billygoat of the organization ever since we landed him in a top3 pick in the weakest draft in a long time. If we got '03 instead of '02, we'd be in a very different place with either Dwade or Chris Bosh or Carmelo Anthony. We just get screwed a lot. And Tyronn Lue... what a thug! LOL
The day I like Dunleavy will be the day he does a Tom Chambers dunk. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GauwSwPcrvg
<div class="quote_poster">custodianrules2 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Dunleavy seems like he makes tons of excuses, but he's got the right to defend himself. He's been the billygoat of the organization ever since we landed him in a top3 pick in the weakest draft in a long time. If we got '03 instead of '02, we'd be in a very different place with either Dwade or Chris Bosh or Carmelo Anthony. We just get screwed a lot. And Tyronn Lue... what a thug! LOL </div> I think most drafts are weak compared to the 2003 draft . But I suppose the 2002 draft has shown to be one of unreached potential. There was Jay Williams, Nene, Skita, Dunleavy, Wagner, etc. The one true steal from the draft was Amare. I liked it when Dunleavy started to attack the hoop off the dribble from the perimeter. He should build off that. As for his jumper, I am not impressed at Dunleavy's shooting especially since he is labeled a shooter. I am kind of skeptical if Dunleavy can make the quick decisions that are needed in a running game. I know that he may have the skills to work in a running game-style, but I always just remember him being so slow making decisions or bringing the ball up the court. He is slow at noticing mismatches, especially.
Dunleavy will score more this season and be involved more. His game fits perfectly for Neslon. I wouldn't go as far as to say that he'll be an allstar, but I think people will consider him a valid starter in this league. His FG% will go up because he won't be shooting as much from the outside. I see him slashing, leading and finishing the breaks. I can't wait to see this team out and running.
<div class="quote_poster">custodianrules2 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Dunleavy seems like he makes tons of excuses, but he's got the right to defend himself. He's been the billygoat of the organization ever since we landed him in a top3 pick in the weakest draft in a long time. If we got '03 instead of '02, we'd be in a very different place with either Dwade or Chris Bosh or Carmelo Anthony. We just get screwed a lot. And Tyronn Lue... what a thug! LOL </div> I don't think we'd be in a different situation if we got a top 3 pick in '03. I mean, we're talking about the Warriors right?
I like the move a lot. Nellie is smart. He's feeding Dunleavy rope and the worst that happens to Nellie is that Dun hangs himself with it. If that happens, Dunleavy will never be able to complain about anything anymore.
<div class="quote_poster">Kensaku Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I like the move a lot. Nellie is smart. He's feeding Dunleavy rope and the worst that happens to Nellie is that Dun hangs himself with it. If that happens, Dunleavy will never be able to complain about anything anymore.</div> Exactly what I was thinking. No excuses now...
<div class="quote_poster">AnimeFANatic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I don't think we'd be in a different situation if we got a top 3 pick in '03. I mean, we're talking about the Warriors right? </div> True
<div class="quote_poster">AnimeFANatic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The day I like Dunleavy will be the day he does a Tom Chambers dunk. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GauwSwPcrvg</div> The day I like Dunleavy is when he holds himself to full accountability. The types of comments about coaches not using him right are valid sometimes, but others they are like Adonal Foyle when he talks about not being used right or how he's had to endure a new coach every other year. Who do these guys think they are? Dirk Nowitzki or Reggie Miller?
<div class="quote_poster">Clif25 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I think most drafts are weak compared to the 2003 draft . But I suppose the 2002 draft has shown to be one of unreached potential. There was Jay Williams, Nene, Skita, Dunleavy, Wagner, etc. The one true steal from the draft was Amare. I liked it when Dunleavy started to attack the hoop off the dribble from the perimeter. He should build off that. As for his jumper, I am not impressed at Dunleavy's shooting especially since he is labeled a shooter. I am kind of skeptical if Dunleavy can make the quick decisions that are needed in a running game. I know that he may have the skills to work in a running game-style, but I always just remember him being so slow making decisions or bringing the ball up the court. He is slow at noticing mismatches, especially.</div> Yeah, I'm well aware too of Dunleavy's abilities and his inconsistency which leads to him being overrated or underrated at various aspects of the game. That's why there seems to be Dunleavy love and Dunleavy hate, and a lot of people who just prefer to sidestep the whole issue because Dunleavy is probably not all that important in the big scheme of things because he does nothing particularly well. A guy like Dunleavy is pretty good by role player standards, but it's all tied to his jump shot and how well he can hit it every single game. Whether he's got spacing to make a move or if he can step around a defender playing him tightly, he cannot do jack without that supposedly textbook form J of his and his superior ballhandling skills for a man of that size. Guys will just playoff him if he can't even honor the open J or they will play him tightly if the defender is quicker at playing the angles on him and being more physical. If they play him closely, he's really not all that fast or strong (two downsides). I could see Dunleavy being harder to keep up with if he's constantly moving like how Morrison played at Gonzaga and he was hitting his shots with extreme ease despite being challenged. Slow guys in the league can be successful if they've got a nice touch on their shot and they can hit the most difficult and moderately difficult ones that our world team couldn't even do this summer. It's hard to get into this because it's like Kwame Brown. We can talk about how gifted physically he is, but then there's the mental aspect of the game and the tangible skill side. I feel that same way about Dunleavy. He's got skills, he's got brains, but he's missing a lot of things and especially the type of tools needed to compete at the starting position. Size is no good if you don't use it properly like posting up or shooting over guys. His skill is of a guard, but his body is of a tweener. He's too tall and slow for small forward, too weak for power forward. He's a little bit of the same dillemma that Keith Van Horn was in.
<div class="quote_poster">Kensaku Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I like the move a lot. Nellie is smart. He's feeding Dunleavy rope and the worst that happens to Nellie is that Dun hangs himself with it. If that happens, Dunleavy will never be able to complain about anything anymore.</div> Maybe Nelson isn't worried about that. It's what can we do to make Dun's or Murphy's trade value up so we have options. Obviously the whole forward lineup is in question because their roles are very limited and they don't play that big except for a few things. Center position is obviously messed up which was why we've been drafting bigger and also considering Murphy at center just to try it. Both Foyle and Dunleavy were constantly switched in and out of the rotation last season. They are both not dependable. And every position besides shooting guard is also questionable like Fisher, Baron, and Murphy. Chucks a hoy. Jrich is not perfect, but who else is left? Unproven over several years type of rookies?
