<div class="quote_poster">Warriorfansnc93 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Exactly what I was thinking. No excuses now...</div> You know my favorite line from the movie Platoon is "Excuses are like asses... everybody's got one"
<div class="quote_poster">custodianrules2 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Maybe Nelson isn't worried about that. It's what can we do to make Dun's or Murphy's trade value up so we have options. Obviously the whole forward lineup is in question because their roles are very limited and they don't play that big except for a few things. Center position is obviously messed up which was why we've been drafting bigger and also considering Murphy at center just to try it. Both Foyle and Dunleavy were constantly switched in and out of the rotation last season. They are both not dependable. And every position besides shooting guard is also questionable like Fisher, Baron, and Murphy. Chucks a hoy. Jrich is not perfect, but who else is left? Unproven over several years type of rookies?</div> Well sure. Nellie was once the GM of the Warriors too. But, he's a coach first and his job is to improve the team now. He's being extremely proactive and asserting his role as a real NBA coach. The difference between him and Monty is night and day; Nellie's presence was immediately felt. Whether that's a good or bad, we'll see. Nellie seems to be a lot more black and white. For example, this situation with Dun: it's either you succeed or you fail. Nellie is tactful with his resources and seems to read the mind of a young NBA player well.
It's good, Kensaku. I understand all that, but I wish Nelson came before Mullin jacked up. Mullin only did this hiring Nelson thing only to hide the fact he has upcoming luxury tax to contend with and he can't make moves now because there's little breathing room to make moves. I mean I'm not complaining about Nelson, I'm complaining more about the fact we could have avoided all this silliness in the first place with '04 season. But I don't like to say "we told you so!" because that's really typical of fans who are on forums only to prove how psychic or insightful they are, but nobody really cares. I'm so used to this mess the Warriors management creates, I see it happening and after it is all done, I just clap my hands and give a thumbs up. Until the art of basketball general management can turn into a sicence with statistics in every possible situation with standard deviations and differentials and whatnot, teams like the Warriors will continue to mess up until they get a guy that has a winning formula. We keep getting guys that have no winning formula and they dont' know how to build one. Guys like Mullin and Twardzick and anybody not as bad but not that good either.
<div class="quote_poster">custodianrules2 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">It's good, Kensaku. I understand all that, but I wish Nelson came before Mullin jacked up. Mullin only did this hiring Nelson thing only to hide the fact he has upcoming luxury tax to contend with and he can't make moves now because there's little breathing room to make moves. I mean I'm not complaining about Nelson, I'm complaining more about the fact we could have avoided all this silliness in the first place with '04 season. But I don't like to say "we told you so!" because that's really typical of fans who are on forums only to prove how psychic or insightful they are, but nobody really cares. I'm so used to this mess the Warriors management creates, I see it happening and after it is all done, I just clap my hands and give a thumbs up. Until the art of basketball general management can turn into a sicence with statistics in every possible situation with standard deviations and differentials and whatnot, teams like the Warriors will continue to mess up until they get a guy that has a winning formula. We keep getting guys that have no winning formula and they dont' know how to build one. Guys like Mullin and Twardzick and anybody not as bad but not that good either.</div> Agreed on all points...and I quote. "Yeah... Coach woulda put me in fourth quarter, we would've been state champions. No doubt. No doubt in my mind."
Sorry for the rambling, Kensaku. I meant to say I wish we had more statistics at hand so GMs can evaluate what talent is really worth. Otherwise, we will land in a situation with an untradeable contract and no money to re-sign the guys we need to get better. People say average centers go between x and x + n amount of dollars, but what stats are they evaluating these numbers on? Rebounds? Blocks? FG %? What about the stats they do not record such as fumbled passes (which do not count as turnovers if it is not a clean catch; they would go to the guy passing instead). What about measuring situational "clutchness"? How good is this guy scoring in the 4th quarter when the team is down? How about with certain defenders on him or how about when playing against the zone? What about measuring points allowed by his assignment? I think in the NBA there are stats that are too hard to record because of the vast amount of variables to be considered and speed of the game, but Foyle getting double double is certainly not the same as a Dampier double double. Same thing with Murphy and Dampier double doubles. The stats don't really tell what they do on certain ends of the floor or if they make the kinds of decisons that lead to the team getting the basket or the team making the defensive stop to get the defensive rebound and to push the break. Like if Dunleavy makes a pass that doesn't lead to his own assist number, but it leads to a basket and somebody else's assist, then I think that makes him a valuable glue guy than a guy that doesn't do jack (unless the other guys away from the play are moving and faking like they will receive the ball like in football motion offense). I think nowadays nba players are making too much and it's GMs like Mullin, Isiah Thomas and superagents like Foyle's agent and Dan Fegan that are destroying the game because they are looking too much at the +'s and not enough of the -'s. If there are more negatives than positives, then we lose parity with the types of roles our starting and bench positions should do.
