<div class="quote_poster">TheFreshPrince Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Why AI? It is his job to score, yet he still gets an above average amount of assist for pg's.</div> Ur such a freakin hypocryte. Kobe gets bashed all day, but you make excuses for AI? Iverson is the biggest ball hog in HISTORY OF THE NBA. Anybody who tries to deny should be ashamed of themselves lol Young Micheal Jordan should also be mentioned too
<div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Ur such a freakin hypocryte. Kobe gets bashed all day, but you make excuses for AI? Iverson is the biggest ball hog in HISTORY OF THE NBA. Anybody who tries to deny should be ashamed of themselves lol Young Micheal Jordan should also be mentioned too</div> And yet he leads the Sixers in assists? Sounds like to me that you just hate Iverson.
<div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Ur such a freakin hypocryte. Kobe gets bashed all day, but you make excuses for AI? Iverson is the biggest ball hog in HISTORY OF THE NBA. Anybody who tries to deny should be ashamed of themselves lol Young Micheal Jordan should also be mentioned too</div> How am I a hypocryte?
FreshPrince, you aren't making any sense. How is AI a ballhog? There's a difference between being a ballhog and being a scorer. AI's a scorer. Also, he had like 7.5apg or something like that. If he were a ballhog how would he get that many assists? Answer me that.
<div class="quote_poster">CLos Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">FreshPrince, you aren't making any sense. How is AI a ballhog? There's a difference between being a ballhog and being a scorer. AI's a scorer. Also, he had like 7.5apg or something like that. If he were a ballhog how would he get that many assists? Answer me that.</div> AI is the biggest ballhog in American Sports History. The guy leads the league in shot attempts over any player of the last 10yrs, and his percentages are consistently bad. His teams remains poor, but they refuse to trade the guy. Reap what you so......
The team doesn't have any other scorers. If that's the case, Kobe's a ballhog. Hands down. The man doesn't get over 7apg and be that big of a ballhog. People with his capability should have the ball at crunchtime. Kobe has a bad FG% and doesn't do that much overall with his stats other than score.
ROFL at Arenas, let me just put out some <u>facts</u> about Arenas and all this ball hog rubbish people say just because he scores a lot. In 04-05, Arenas played with a 22 PPG, and a 20 PPG scorer in Hughes and Jamison. PER 40 minutes, their FG attempts looked like this: Arenas: 18.6, Hughes: 18.4, Jamison: 18.3. Last season, Arenas played with a 21 PPG, and an 18 PPG scorer, PER 40 mins, their FGA: Arenas: 19.7, Jamison: 18.2, Butler: 16.1 Arenas has played with 2 other high scoring players the past two seasons, and there have been zero complaints about him from his scoring teammates. Every scorer on the team get's their shots, he get's them the ball, and Arenas most importantly, scores efficiently. Comparing to Dwyane Wade, who no one considers a ball hog: <u>Player - FGA/40 | TS%</u> <font color=""Navy"">Arenas:</font> 19.7 | .581 TS% <font color=""navy"">Wade:</font> 19.5 | .577 TS% Other scorers like playing with Arenas because he get's them the ball, and allows them to operate in their space. Also Arenas does not jack up a lot of shots to get his points as he's a very efficient scorer. Normally when your a ball hog, it's acknowledged by teamates, and you don't work so well with other scorers, yet he's the opposite. Ball hog does not = high scorer. The other thing people like to point to is his APG. If you've seen the Wizards play, and understand their offense, you know it's not based on getting assists. The Wizards play similar to Dallas offensively in that they isolate against the matchup they like, and work like that. In addition to that, when Antonio Daniels is on the court, he's as much of a primary ball handler as Arenas, and Arenas is reall more of the scorer. Similarly when Hughes was in Washington, they shared ball handling duties when on the court. The Wizards do not run the offense with a "PG", they run the offense with 2 guards. Arenas also doesn't dominate the ball on offense, so it's not like that can be used as an argument against him. His usage rate was about on par with Paul Pierce and Dirk, and he had lower usage rates than lower scorers and APG guys like McGrady and Carmelo. Lastly, people like to talk about how he takes bad shots. Please, are you trying to tell me he takes more bad shots than any of the other scorers in the league outside of Wade? Even Wade takes bad shots, and we praise him for his shot selection. Nash who is considered one of the highest IQ guys in the league, and similarly Kidd take bad shots. Yes Arenas takes pull up three's, he's a good shooter and trusts in his shooting ability. Yes he takes a lot of three's, but again, he's a good shooter. I'm not here to argue that he doesn't take bad shots, maybe one or two more than guys like Wade, Kidd and Nash, but no more than any other player in the league that's scoring 29+ PPG, so how does that make him a ball hog? He doesn't take more bad shots than Kobe, Lebron, Ray Allen, Vince, Iverson, Pierce, blah blah. Every scorer, really every ball handler takes bad shots, does that make them all hogs? Some people have already mentioned it, but a ball hog is someone who handles the ball but hurts the team more than he helps it. For example, Steve Nash dominates the ball on Phoenix, and in 04-05 he also dominated the playmaking, but he's not a ball hog. Most playmaking PG's dominate the ball in that sense. A guy like Francis is a ball hog because he dribbles but isn't making any progress with his dribbling, and just distorts the offense. Milt Palacio was a ball hog on the Raptors a lot because he would hold the ball and do nothing with it.
<div class="quote_poster">CLos Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">FreshPrince, you aren't making any sense. How is AI a ballhog? There's a difference between being a ballhog and being a scorer. AI's a scorer. Also, he had like 7.5apg or something like that. If he were a ballhog how would he get that many assists? Answer me that.</div> I am saying that AI isn't a ball hog dude. I totally agree. AI's job is to score. He has never had anyone able to score a large amount of points. His teammates look to him to score, so he does.
<div class="quote_poster">og15 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Lastly, people like to talk about how he takes bad shots. Please, are you trying to tell me he takes more bad shots than any of the other scorers in the league outside of Wade?</div> Maybe not, but I do think Arenas has the distinction of perhaps taking the worst shot in NBA history. Game 5 against the Cavs last year. LeBron scores, and the Wizards have a timeout left (correct me if I'm wrong). What does Arenas do? Take the inbounds pass and lofts up an 80 footer. I couldn't believe it when I saw it, and surprisingly the commentators didn't make a big deal out of it. Perhaps I'm missing something.
<div class="quote_poster">CLos Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The team doesn't have any other scorers. If that's the case, Kobe's a ballhog. Hands down. The man doesn't get over 7apg and be that big of a ballhog. People with his capability should have the ball at crunchtime. Kobe has a bad FG% and doesn't do that much overall with his stats other than score.</div> Man please!! The Sixers have let some quality players go who played besides AI. Stackhouse, Hamilton etc.. The ugly truth is there can't be another legit scorer around Iverson because he handles the ball too much. The Sixers have put there franchise on the shoulders of one man show.
<div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Man please!! The Sixers have let some quality players go who played besides AI. Stackhouse, Hamilton etc.. The ugly truth is there can't be another legit scorer around Iverson because he handles the ball too much. The Sixers have put there franchise on the shoulders of one man show.</div> Jerry Stackhouse??? Never mention that name again. Rich Hamilton was unproven as a rook and only started doing good in Detroit anyways. He's a PG he is supposed to handle the rock. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Vincesanity91:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe is a ballhog, but he's a great player. W/O him the lakers are nothing.</div> Well, if thats the case then Minnesota wouldn't be anything w/o KG, Spurs wouldn't be anything w/o Tim Duncan, etc.
<div class="quote_poster">CLos Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">FreshPrince, you aren't making any sense. How is AI a ballhog? There's a difference between being a ballhog and being a scorer. AI's a scorer. Also, he had like 7.5apg or something like that. If he were a ballhog how would he get that many assists? Answer me that.</div> You can be a ball hog even with that many apg. Look at Stephon Marbury and Steve Francis. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Vincesanity91:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe is a ballhog, but he's a great player. W/O him the lakers are nothing.</div> Lol? The Lakers have been holding their own during this preseason without Kobe. They have been going against a lot of teams starters who have 25+ minutes and they are surviving. Even their losses were close ones and were often mistakes, such as Jordan Farmar holding the ball to the last second vs. the Clippers. Also Kobe is far from a ball hog. The ball is almost never in his hands more than 6 seconds max. The offense is always flowing. If anything, Kobe is a "shoot" hog. Anyway here is my list: Mike James Steve Francis Antoine Walker Tony Parker Rafer Alston If we're going with durvasa's definition then: Jason Kidd Steve Nash Brevin Knight Chris Paul Allen Iverson
Actually thats true. See he doesn't hold the ball. But as soon as he gets it he shoots. AI is not a ballhog like Francis is. That's just their styles of play. Besides AI>>>>>>>>>>>Francis hands down Anyways, Francis sucks and AI is better like I said before. LOL
<div class="quote_poster">CLos Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Actually thats true. See he doesn't hold the ball. But as soon as he gets it he shoots. AI is not a ballhog like Francis is. That's just their styles of play. Besides AI>>>>>>>>>>>Francis hands down Anyways, Francis sucks and AI is better like I said before. LOL</div> Can you please stop acting like a little 5 year old with the "Francis sucks and AI is better LOL" comments? You have to be an idiot to even compare those two right now in the league. They were comparable when Francis played in Houston, but his career has went downhill. I consider AI a ballhog even though he does make good passes when he wants to. <div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Man please!! The Sixers have let some quality players go who played besides AI. Stackhouse, Hamilton etc.. The ugly truth is there can't be another legit scorer around Iverson because he handles the ball too much. The Sixers have put there franchise on the shoulders of one man show.</div> Agreed. It is impossible for sixers to have another scorer on the court do good as long as AI is on the court.
<div class="quote_poster">Pakman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Can you please stop acting like a little 5 year old with the "Francis sucks and AI is better LOL" comments? You have to be an idiot to even compare those two right now in the league. They were comparable when Francis played in Houston, but his career has went downhill. I consider AI a ballhog even though he does make good passes when he wants to. Agreed. It is impossible for sixers to have another scorer on the court do good as long as AI is on the court.</div> Alright, I will stop saying Francis sucks even tho he does. My fault. Anyways, that's like having Kobe team up with T-Mac. Sure it happens in the All-Star game, but 82 games? Can that many bballs be passed around in 24secs? A lot of fighting would be going on between them then. So you see, you can't really have another scorer to complement Iverson, you need role players to do their job.
My whole point was .. Iverson is not as an easy person to team up with as other PG's out there. Example being Jason Kidd, Steve Nash... When they get other scorers on the court like Amare, Marion, Vince... they know they gotta stop dribbling the ball and making best of that 24 secs.
My whole point was .. Iverson is not as an easy person to team up with as other PG's out there. Example being Jason Kidd, Steve Nash... When they get other scorers on the court like Amare, Marion, Vince... they know what they gotta do. But Iverson... always a ballhog. EXCEPT for the All-star games.
<div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Man please!! The Sixers have let some quality players go who played besides AI. Stackhouse, Hamilton etc.. The ugly truth is there can't be another legit scorer around Iverson because he handles the ball too much. The Sixers have put there franchise on the shoulders of one man show.</div> When exactly did Richard Hamilton play for the 76ers? Do you mean Larry Hughes? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> You have to be an idiot to even compare those two right now in the league. They were comparable when Francis played in Houston, but his career has went downhill. </div> Francis and Allen Iverson were never comparable...
