McNabb or Manning in the playoffs? McNabb has played games and has won more and even made it to the big Game. yet is still known as the worst choke artist ever. Manning has a record of 3-6, and has never played in the big Game, yet everyone still takes his side. Opinions? i say id rather have McNabb in playopffs
Manning. He is the playoff choking king. Especially after the near record setting regular season the Colts had.
I'm going to say McNabb is a bigger choker. Main reasoning is McNabb had a defense to support him. Manning didn't. Yeah this year the Colts took a big step especially with their D but McNabb for all 4 of the NFC Titles and the Super Bowl had a defense that was very solid. Indy didn't.. To me McNabb is Jim Kelly and Manning is Marino. Who is worse?
Can I say Tony Dungy? How in the world can you not prepare your O-Line and receivers for a heavy blitz? Blitzes like that are supposed to work well at the beginning of the season - not in the playoffs. If I'm forced to choose, though, I'll say Manning. He's basically the coach of the team anyways (he decides when the punting team comes on).
Currently i would say Mark Brunell. He has had 10 starts without going to the superbowl. He has done good during season but has sucked during playoffs
Petyon is a better QB but worse in the playoffs it seems...he is 3-6 ...then again McNabb went to three straight conference championships without a win... its a tough call
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (panthersare#1)</div><div class='quotemain'>Currently i would say Mark Brunell. He has had 10 starts without going to the superbowl. He has done good during season but has sucked during playoffs</div> Manning has 9, one short.
Why is it that everyone hangs the choke label on QBs and no one else? The last time I checked football was a team sport and there are a ton more guys that aren't QBs than are QBs. I think it's because a lot of football fans are too lazy to look at every aspect of a team and come up with an objective evaluation of where a team is truly weak. It's much easier to go straight to the QB. After all, that's probably one of the few players that they can actually name. Calling Dan Marino a choker is a prime example of football fans showing that they don't have a clue what they are talking about. The top three QBs that have lead their teams to 4th quarter victories are John Elway, Joe Montana and Dan Marino. An objective football fan can look at the Dolphins, during the Marino era, and see that Marino never had the supporting cast to win the big game. Likewise, Peyton Manning waved off a 4th and 2 to lead the Colts to a touchdown that helped spark a comeback that nearly caught the Steelers. What I saw yesterday was a poor performance by the offensive line. Go ahead and dump the choker tag on QBs and give them too much credit and blame for wins and losses. When I see such over simplistic evaluations of talent, it helps me weed out the opinions that I don't need to pay attention to.
And this is why I chose Dungy - bad coaching. It took Manning to determine that they should go for it on 4th and 2.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'>Why is it that everyone hangs the choke label on QBs and no one else? The last time I checked football was a team sport and there are a ton more guys that aren't QBs than are QBs. I think it's because a lot of football fans are too lazy to look at every aspect of a team and come up with an objective evaluation of where a team is truly weak. It's much easier to go straight to the QB.</div> I agree. However, I think Manning does choke. In big games, he dances in the pocket as if he is trying to take Jerry Rice's spot on "Dancing With The Stars". His feet get REAL happy. And did you see how off target he was against the Steelers? I can understand 1 or 2 overthrows and the wrong route possibly being run, but he chucked it to some ghost heading to the post at least 6 times. He overthrew his receivers badly. That is choking in my book. As for Marino, anyone who designates him a choker knows, in the words of daddy Jim Mora, "diddly-poo". In my opinion, if Marino had the weapons Manning has at his disposal, it wouldn't be a question of if he would win it all, but how many times. Marino did not have a decent running game to support him, none at all. As to whether I would rather have Manning or McNabb, I would choose the backup.
Well the QB and the head coach are like the president, if anything goes wrong --that's who everyone blames even though they don't have real power and weren?t deliberately making horrible decisions.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (panthersare#1)</div><div class='quotemain'>Currently i would say Mark Brunell. He has had 10 starts without going to the superbowl. He has done good during season but has sucked during playoffs</div> Im guessing you are too young to remember the bulk of Brunnells career, specifically the mid-90s.....if anything, he lead his teams to more upsets than most QBs....if not for Brunell and the 96 Jags, the Broncos might have 3-peated.....if you are th4e 6th seed, and you beat the 3rd seed before losing by 10 to the number 1 seed, how was that a choke job?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (panthersare#1)</div><div class='quotemain'>Currently i would say Mark Brunell. He has had 10 starts without going to the superbowl. He has done good during season but has sucked during playoffs</div> Im guessing you are too young to remember the bulk of Brunnells career, specifically the mid-90s.....if anything, he lead his teams to more upsets than most QBs....if not for Brunell and the 96 Jags, the Broncos might have 3-peated.....if you are th4e 6th seed, and you beat the 3rd seed before losing by 10 to the number 1 seed, how was that a choke job?</div> So you are saying that 41 yards passing against the bucs isnt a choke?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (panthersare#1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (panthersare#1)</div><div class='quotemain'>Currently i would say Mark Brunell. He has had 10 starts without going to the superbowl. He has done good during season but has sucked during playoffs</div> Im guessing you are too young to remember the bulk of Brunnells career, specifically the mid-90s.....if anything, he lead his teams to more upsets than most QBs....if not for Brunell and the 96 Jags, the Broncos might have 3-peated.....if you are th4e 6th seed, and you beat the 3rd seed before losing by 10 to the number 1 seed, how was that a choke job?</div> So you are saying that 41 yards passing against the bucs isnt a choke?</div> Are you saying that anytime someone has a bad game that it's a choke? Does one bad game make someone a choker? Can't two good teams play with one winning and one losing without someone choking? I'm really starting to hate that term.
It is sad that Marino's legacy is tarnished because he never won a Super Bowl. In my opinion Manning and McNabb had better supporting casts at one time in their careers already than Marino ever had. Marino is the most decorated passer of all time and should go down as one of the best ever and not a choker. As for Manning I'm not sure I would put him in the same sentence as Dan Marino now. After hearing his little I'm trying to be a good teammate but the protection was horrible.. Maybe Manning could have adjusted. I can't imagine John Elway, Joe Montana, Brett Favre, Dan Marino, or Jonny U (who I think are the 5 greatest QB's too play based on stats, titles, and leadership) complain about their line in one game. That line has been as good as any in the past couple of seasons. I think he owes them a pay of dividend after his MVP season a year ago. He sure had all day to pick defenses apart. As for McNabb. The guy plays bad in big games. Choker?? Yes but it shouldn't be all on him. I think McNabb is a tad overrated anyways so that my influence my opinion there.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (panthersare#1)</div><div class='quotemain'>So you are saying that 41 yards passing against the bucs isnt a choke?</div> Wanna know what 41 yards passing in a win against a team that spotted you 14 points is? thats good coaching....they really didnt try to throw it after it was 14-0....they sat on the lead and bleed the life from the Bucs....and it worked....would you prefer he throws for 300 yards and they lose?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'>It is sad that Marino's legacy is tarnished because he never won a Super Bowl. In my opinion Manning and McNabb had better supporting casts at one time in their careers already than Marino ever had. Marino is the most decorated passer of all time and should go down as one of the best ever and not a choker. As for Manning I'm not sure I would put him in the same sentence as Dan Marino now. After hearing his little I'm trying to be a good teammate but the protection was horrible.. Maybe Manning could have adjusted. I can't imagine John Elway, Joe Montana, Brett Favre, Dan Marino, or Jonny U (who I think are the 5 greatest QB's too play based on stats, titles, and leadership) complain about their line in one game. That line has been as good as any in the past couple of seasons. I think he owes them a pay of dividend after his MVP season a year ago. He sure had all day to pick defenses apart. As for McNabb. The guy plays bad in big games. Choker?? Yes but it shouldn't be all on him. I think McNabb is a tad overrated anyways so that my influence my opinion there.</div> Let me see...Once is his career did McNabb have a top 20 reciever in the league (Terrell Owens) and that year the Eagles went to the Super Bowl. Look at his other recievers...Torrance Small, Charles Johnson, Na Brown, Todd Pinkston, Freddie Mitchell Just for fun, look at the other skilled players he has had around him. Darnell Autry, Correll Buckhalter, Duce Staley, Brian Westbrook, Chad Lewis...None of these (besides Westbrook) put fears in the hearts of opponents. So please, before talking about what McNabb has had around him, do some investigating. He has had a good defense, but in Super Bowl they gave up 10 points in the 4th qtr, and you cant win a game like that (the score was 14-14 at the end of the 3rd). Look at Manning he has had in his career. Marshall Faulk, Edgerrin James as RB's MArvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne as WR's and a slew of awesome offensive lineman and TE's Maybe cause they surrounded him with such an awesome offensive staff, they could not afford to spend on defense. He got the records, but the D suffered.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'>It is sad that Marino's legacy is tarnished because he never won a Super Bowl. In my opinion Manning and McNabb had better supporting casts at one time in their careers already than Marino ever had. Marino is the most decorated passer of all time and should go down as one of the best ever and not a choker. As for Manning I'm not sure I would put him in the same sentence as Dan Marino now. After hearing his little I'm trying to be a good teammate but the protection was horrible.. Maybe Manning could have adjusted. I can't imagine John Elway, Joe Montana, Brett Favre, Dan Marino, or Jonny U (who I think are the 5 greatest QB's too play based on stats, titles, and leadership) complain about their line in one game. That line has been as good as any in the past couple of seasons. I think he owes them a pay of dividend after his MVP season a year ago. He sure had all day to pick defenses apart. As for McNabb. The guy plays bad in big games. Choker?? Yes but it shouldn't be all on him. I think McNabb is a tad overrated anyways so that my influence my opinion there.</div> Let me see...Once is his career did McNabb have a top 20 reciever in the league (Terrell Owens) and that year the Eagles went to the Super Bowl. Look at his other recievers...Torrance Small, Charles Johnson, Na Brown, Todd Pinkston, Freddie Mitchell Just for fun, look at the other skilled players he has had around him. Darnell Autry, Correll Buckhalter, Duce Staley, Brian Westbrook, Chad Lewis...None of these (besides Westbrook) put fears in the hearts of opponents. So please, before talking about what McNabb has had around him, do some investigating. He has had a good defense, but in Super Bowl they gave up 10 points in the 4th qtr, and you cant win a game like that (the score was 14-14 at the end of the 3rd). Look at Manning he has had in his career. Marshall Faulk, Edgerrin James as RB's MArvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne as WR's and a slew of awesome offensive lineman and TE's Maybe cause they surrounded him with such an awesome offensive staff, they could not afford to spend on defense. He got the records, but the D suffered.</div> They are both failures, and cant get it done. Both of them dont have the heart. It is too bad. Manning though, will probably be going to canton, I am not sure about Mcnabb
