<div class="quote_poster">Pakman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I think they have Wade placed at one mainly because of his ring. If it were my list...</div>Would Jordan be considered the GOAT if he hadn't won atleast one ring? How about Wilt Chamberlain? What's seperating Karl Malone from Tim Duncan right now? ... ... ... It's really no suprise that the fans of losing teams choose Kobe or LeBron, while the fans of winning teams choose Wade.
<div class="quote_poster">Answer_AI03 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">i dont agree with that top 5 at all..... gotta be 1. kobe 2. iverson 3. wade 4. lebron 5. nowitzki kobe is the best player in the world. there is no arguement for that, and iverson basically is kobe in a smaller body, with a slightly different playing style. the rest are arguable.</div> Iverson at number 2? In front of a championship winning Wade, a second round playoff Bron, and a conference champion Nowitzki. To be considered the best, you atleast have to make your team better, not just score points and get assists. Iverson could not lead his team to the playoffs, so why should he be at #2? Wade, Bron, and Nowitzki all led their teams far into the playoffs. Tell me why you want AI at #2 when he got his team no where? Maybe you're saying that because he is your favorite player <div class="quote_poster">Pakman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> Im not really feelin TD here...</div> Me too, I didnt really like what duncan did last year. His numbers dropped and he wasn't as effective as he was before. He did play no where near like the MVP type player he was the season before that. He played crappy, and if these ratings have something to do with last year, then Duncan should not be up there, replace him with Brand or something. <div class="quote_poster">Heat4Life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> What's seperating Karl Malone from Tim Duncan right now? ... ... ... It's really no suprise that the fans of losing teams choose Kobe or LeBron, while the fans of winning teams choose Wade.</div> I really don't see a difference between Malone and Duncan. Both in my opinion are great players. Just because Duncan has a rung doesnt automatically make him better than Malone. Rings do matter but not that much. These ratings, I may be wrong, are individual performances. Which is the reason Kobe and AI are up there. And btw, how is Lebron on a losing team? Didn't his team go to second round of the playoffs?? If this is individual performance, then Kobe and Ai definetly deserve to be up there. Both put up great numbers. I really dont think these rankings should matter about who won a championship and who didn't, if you think it should go by who won a championship and who didnt, then would Michael Doleac be considered better than Kobe? People can vote for Kobe if they like, because he put up great numbers last year.
<div class="quote_poster">Pakman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> Im not really feelin TD here...</div> Me too, I didnt really like what duncan did last year. His numbers dropped and he wasn't as effective as he was before. He did play no where near like the MVP type player he was the season before that. He played crappy, and if these ratings have something to do with last year, then Duncan should not be up there, replace him with Brand or something.
<div class="quote_poster">Umair15 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I really don't see a difference between Malone and Duncan. Both in my opinion are great players. Just because Duncan has a ring doesnt automatically make him better than Malone. Rings do matter but not that much. These ratings, I may be wrong, are individual performances. Which is the reason Kobe and AI are up there. And btw, how is Lebron on a losing team? Didn't his team go to second round of the playoffs?? If this is individual performance, then Kobe and Ai definetly deserve to be up there. Both put up great numbers. I really dont think these rankings should matter about who won a championship and who didn't, if you think it should go by who won a championship and who didnt, then would Michael Doleac be considered better than Kobe? People can vote for Kobe if they like, because he put up great numbers last year.</div>The point of playing basketball is to win. Nothing more, nothing less. How is it that a guy who scores more at the cost of his team's success is better than the guy who shares the ball, can takeover when needed, and brings his team a championship? Simply put, the Lakers were a dynasty when Kobe had to share the ball with a equal/better player than himself. When "Kobe is the best player period" and "Kobe does it all by himself", his team sucks. Again, Jordan would not be the GOAT if he hadn't won atleast one ring. All his accolades/achievments would have been looked at as "empty", so-to-say, because they didn't produce wins. Infact, his teams became better when his scoring went down and when Pippen emerged as the 2nd best player and the 2nd option. As far as winning, the same could be said for Wilt Chamberlain. Look at "Pistol" Pete Maravich.
<font color=""Red"">But don't get me wrong</font>, Kobe has his good games where his team needed him to score, like the 81 vs Toronto. But as far as efficiency goes, he's a gamble cuz he's gonna shoot the ball all game long whether he's making em or not. If he hits the jackpot like he did on 81 that's friggin great, but if not, you're gonna see one ugly game. And judging by his FG%, chances are he's more of a defficiency not just on his offense, but your entire team's offense.
<div class="quote_poster">Heat4Life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The point of playing basketball is to win. Nothing more, nothing less. How is it that a guy who scores more at the cost of his team's success is better than the guy who shares the ball, can takeover when needed, and brings his team a championship? </div> Like I said before, this might be individual rankings. Kobe is probably not a good team player, but he is a heck of a player himself. I know that you're saying that why isn't a player who brings a championship to his team considered better than a player who doesnt. Well, if this went by team rankings, then I would say Wade, but if it was, then why is Nash at number 5? Isnt Nash the best at making his team better? And btw, Wade probably could be better than Kobe. Some might disagree on that, but you I consider Kobe a better individual player. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Simply put, the Lakers were a dynasty when Kobe had to share the ball with a equal/better player than himself. When "Kobe is the best player period" and "Kobe does it all by himself", his team sucks.</div> So when Kobe does it all by himself, his team sucks? You're saying his team sucks, yet they still got to the playoffs and almost beat Suns? I wouldn't consider his team sorry if they made it to the playoffs and lost in the first round 3-4. Thats pretty good.
<div class="quote_poster">Heat4Life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"><font color=""Red"">But don't get me wrong</font>, Kobe has his good games where his team needed him to score, like the 81 vs Toronto. But as far as efficiency goes, he's a gamble cuz he's gonna shoot the ball all game long whether he's making em or not. If he hits the jackpot like he did on 81 that's friggin great, but if not, you're gonna see one ugly game. And judging by his FG%, chances are he's more of a defficiency not just on his offense, but your entire team's offense.</div> Kobe shoots 45% from the field. Thats decent for a 2 guard, and he shot 35% 3-pointer. That to me doesnt sound bad. He takes 27 shots a game. Remember his team sucks? Isn't he suppose to carry his team and be the leader?
<div class="quote_poster">Heat4Life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The point of playing basketball is to win. Nothing more, nothing less. How is it that a guy who scores more at the cost of his team's success is better than the guy who shares the ball, can takeover when needed, and brings his team a championship? Simply put, the Lakers were a dynasty when Kobe had to share the ball with a equal/better player than himself. When "Kobe is the best player period" and "Kobe does it all by himself", his team sucks. Again, Jordan would not be the GOAT if he hadn't won atleast one ring. All his accolades/achievments would have been looked at as "empty", so-to-say, because they didn't produce wins. Infact, his teams became better when his scoring went down and when Pippen emerged as the 2nd best player and the 2nd option. As far as winning, the same could be said for Wilt Chamberlain. Look at "Pistol" Pete Maravich.</div> I seriously had a good laugh after reading your, good job. Keep it up but remember to watch the tape. My top 5 players ... 1. Kobe/LBJ 2. LBJ/Kobe 3. D-Wade 4. Dirk 5. Nash
Heat4life, you're argument makes no sense. Because Kobe scores he kills his team. Are you still using the ball hog argument? I thought that went out of style 3 years ago. Isn't it now that he can't be a true leader or some BS like that? Ask his teammates their opinion on him, they all respect him. You're living in the past when Shaq wanted the team to himself and when Kobe wanted to team to himself. They were 0-2 (I believe) without Kobe last year, back to back losses against the Jazz, if I recall correctly. Kobe Bryant is offensively the most dominant player in the league. Defensively, he is far ahead of Wade and LeBron. Why do you think Wade went to Kobe for defensive practice this offseason? Clutch? I'll give Wade that, him and Kobe are in the same boat, but LeBron isn't. He just started showing signs of being clutch last year after being bashed through the media because he couldn't come through. Plain and simple, Kobe Bryant will win you games. Without Bryant last year, the Lakers are a top 5 pick team. Last year, he had them one REBOUND away from the 2nd round of the playoffs. He didn't have the luxury of a dominant big man like Wade has. He had inconsistent teammates around him--Lamar, Kwame, and Smush. Chris Mihm was the teams second most consistent player until he got injured last year. CHRIS FREAKIN' MIHM. That says a lot about what Kobe had around him. Stop your hate for Kobe, it's ok to admit that he's a great player, and I suggest you do before Moo2k gets a wiff of this argument, things could get very ugly for you. Top 15 (based off Dime's list): 1 - Kobe 2 - Wade 3 - LeBron 4 - Dirk 5 - Duncan 6 - KG 7 - Nash 8 - Arenas 9 - Brand 10 - Iverson 11 - Pierce 12 - McGrady 13 - Carmelo 14 - Marion 15 - Paul
<div class="quote_poster">Umair15 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">This is my top 10 1. Wade 2. Lebron 3. Kobe 4. Nowitzki 5. Nash 6. Duncan 7. Iverson 8. KG 9. Elton Brand 10. Tracy McGrady This is the top 10 players in the world, its not last year. It is top 10 right now. So I think Tmac and Brand deserve a spot ahead of Arenas and Melo.</div> Nash should not be up there because his lack of defense.If u would put him up there u might as well put Kidd up there because Kidd is better than Nash.Check the stats you'll see wat I mean.
<div class="quote_poster">Heat4Life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Would Jordan be considered the GOAT if he hadn't won atleast one ring? How about Wilt Chamberlain? What's seperating Karl Malone from Tim Duncan right now? ... ... ... It's really no suprise that the fans of losing teams choose Kobe or LeBron, while the fans of winning teams choose Wade.</div> Kobe has 3 rings, Wade has 1. So, shut up? Would that make a good argument to make you shut up?
<div class="quote_poster">Heat4Life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Would Jordan be considered the GOAT if he hadn't won atleast one ring? How about Wilt Chamberlain? What's seperating Karl Malone from Tim Duncan right now? ... ... ... It's really no suprise that the fans of losing teams choose Kobe or LeBron, while the fans of winning teams choose Wade.</div> Kobe has 3 rings, Wade has 1. So, shut up? Would that make a good argument to make you shut up? http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/6049954 Go ahead, click that link. Read the bolded part, there is a reason its bolded. <u>"If you had to pick one player for one game right now, who would it be?"</u>... That means... when you pick Wade... you get Wade. You dont get Shaq, Haslem, Mourning, Walker, Jason Williams ... and yeah.
<div class="quote_poster">kidd4ever Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Nash should not be up there because his lack of defense.</div> McGrady and Iverson don't really play defense either.
<div class="quote_poster">Heat4Life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Would Jordan be considered the GOAT if he hadn't won atleast one ring? How about Wilt Chamberlain? What's seperating Karl Malone from Tim Duncan right now? ... ... ... It's really no suprise that the fans of losing teams choose Kobe or LeBron, while the fans of winning teams choose Wade.</div> Karl Malone is 3rd I believe in all-time scoring, maybe second i can't remember. The twolves are a bunch of losers lately but still would take wade or Bron and Kobe, but i think it is more of the younger guys like Lebron and Kobe while the older guys like Wade to Kidd4ever, Lebron, Dirk, Arenas, and kind of Dwade aren't good at defense either.
<div class="quote_poster">Umair15 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">McGrady probably doesnt, but AI does. AI gets steals and plays good defense.</div> Uh, Iverson definitely isn't a good defender, he gambles quite a bit. LeBron gets steals, but that doesn't mean he's a good defender.
As far as I know, Iverson was second to Wallace for DPOY a few years back. I believe it was the same year he won MVP. I am not sure, am I right?
<div class="quote_poster">Umair15 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">As far as I know, Iverson was second to Wallace for DPOY a few years back. I believe it was the same year he won MVP. I am not sure, am I right?</div> I'm not sure about that, my point is not that Iverson CAN'T defend, it's that he doesn't defend. He might go for a steal, but rarely does he commit to locking someone down the way say Gilbert or Kobe does
My Best Top 10 Players; 1-Mehmet Okur 2-Ersan İlyasova 3-Hidayet T?rkoğlu 4-AlonZoMourning 5-Allen Houston 6-Jason Kidd 7-Shawn Marion 8-Mat Bonner 9-Tim Duncan 10-Dajuan Wagner İ m Turk also i'm writing these players in top 3.Especially Dajuan.He came back to NBA from his illness
<div class="quote_poster">AlonZoMourning Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">My Best Top 10 Players; 1-Mehmet Okur 2-Ersan İlyasova 3-Hidayet T?rkoğlu 4-AlonZoMourning 5-Allen Houston 6-Jason Kidd 7-Shawn Marion 8-Mat Bonner 9-Tim Duncan 10-Dajuan Wagner İ m Turk also i'm writing these players in top 3.Especially Dajuan.He came back to NBA from his illness</div> There's a difference between "favorite players" and "best players".
