<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">East Valley Tribune - Mike D?Antoni and Amar? Stoudemire had a discussion two weeks ago in Italy, where the coach told the player that he needs to dedicate himself 100 percent to the club, otherwise he won't be playing. This message was endorsed by owner Robert Sarver. ?Mike had had enough,? said a source familiar with the situation. Stoudemire has not missed a workout or complained about pain in the knee ever since the meeting. ?People can say what they want but nobody knows what kind of pain I have in my body but me,? Stoudemire said. ?Nobody knows what I can and can?t do but me.? Some members of the organization feel that he wasn't participating the way he should during a Tuesday shootaround. During that evening's game, he played 18 minutes.</div> Source
Having the organization back the coach is crucial for a team to succeed IMO. Once again Phoenix Suns management shows its professionalism and no non-sense approach. This will be an interesting development to keep an eye on during the course of the season.
I honestly feel their being to hard on him. Because if he re-injurs it than its because their rushing him.
why would even take the risk of pissing-off amare, they probably didnt mean to piss him off but i think they are skating on thin ice, he's going to be star and overcome this injury, why would you want to get rid of that? pretty stupid. i would get rid D'Antoni if i had to choose.
good then amare gets pissed and demands a trade to the lakers for Vrad... their salaries would match hahahaha
<div class="quote_poster">AKIRA Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">why would even take the risk of pissing-off amare, they probably didnt mean to piss him off but i think they are skating on thin ice, he's going to be star and overcome this injury, why would you want to get rid of that? pretty stupid. i would get rid D'Antoni if i had to choose.</div> I disagree. The warriors had a similar situation 12 years ago when they tried to cater to future star Chris Webber instead of Don Nelson who was coaching at the time. The result was that the warriors lost webber anyway and haven't made the playoffs since. The management and integrity of the team are much more important than any one player.
They really should watch out. Amare might not be completely ready yet, and if he hurts that knee again, he could be done for good.
It may have been a bit harsh but I don't disagree with what was said. And Amare shouldn't take it the wrong way. But it's true of what Amare said, that nobody can really now what he feels, but himself. He's payed a lot of money to play, and if he has recovered, he should take it upon himself to do whatever it is needed to contribute to the team. And if he still feels pain, he should find other ways to help the team off the court or in the locker room. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he have the same surgery as Jason Kidd? And if so, Amare should think about that. Kidd played 80+ games last season and the guy is 33. Amare is an incredible talent, but talented as he is and so goes for the others, he should always keep his feet on the ground. Being a team's star doesn't give you the right to do whatever you want and when you want. Team officials should always be on top of the players to keep them in check. Hopefully, Amare has his head straight. Amare will be big for the Suns.
<div class="quote_poster">Moo2K4 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">They really should watch out. Amare might not be completely ready yet, and if he hurts that knee again, he could be done for good.</div> I agree, they won last season without him, 54 games to be exact, no need to jeopardize his future health.
<div class="quote_poster">AKIRA Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">why would even take the risk of pissing-off amare, they probably didnt mean to piss him off but i think they are skating on thin ice, he's going to be star and overcome this injury, why would you want to get rid of that? pretty stupid. i would get rid D'Antoni if i had to choose.</div> If you've seen Amare play without Nash, you'd realize why the Suns can make those type of comments. D'Antoni is more valuable to the Suns franchise than Amare is. I'm not discounting Amare, but no player should ever be placed above the headcoach of a team. There has to be a pecking order and a coach needs full support from the organization if a team expects to win.
It's true that Amare is a bit overrated for what he's being paid when he doesn't have Nash to set him up. I mean he's working on defense, passing, post game, and other things, but the types of things he's done usually involves Nash or some other players. When he's by himself and he tries to create by himself, he's harder to watch. I mean it is a team sport and the suns require shooters, dribblers, and passers. I don't even consider Amare in the same class as guys like Duncan and Shaq who can dominate one versus one, but he's more like offensive Kenyon Martin. Give him the ball around the basket and he can be made an all-star. Taking away Nash, the other backcourt player, and shawn marion is like taking away Kidd, Kittles, Jefferson on the Eastern Conference finalist New Jersey Nets. If all that's left is Martin, he's not going to be as good. He'll be intriguing because of his mean streak/power/athleticism, but not the kind of player that can do it all IMO. I think the Suns have all been about Nash and finding him at least one or two all-stars and that's why he is two time MVP. He is like Jason Kidd type intangibles.
Amare may not be the heart and soul of this team, but no organization wants to give up on talent like his, especially at his age, and with how marketable he is around the league. That said, there's no reason to think that he's more valuable than D'Antoni. And beyond that, when a team can't trust a player to take all the steps necessary to get back to playing shape, then that player has not earned his pay, nor has he earned the right to tell his team what to do.
<div class="quote_poster">custodianrules2 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">It's true that Amare is a bit overrated for what he's being paid when he doesn't have Nash to set him up. I mean he's working on defense, passing, post game, and other things, but the types of things he's done usually involves Nash or some other players. When he's by himself and he tries to create by himself, he's harder to watch. I mean it is a team sport and the suns require shooters, dribblers, and passers. I don't even consider Amare in the same class as guys like Duncan and Shaq who can dominate one versus one, but he's more like offensive Kenyon Martin. Give him the ball around the basket and he can be made an all-star. Taking away Nash, the other backcourt player, and shawn marion is like taking away Kidd, Kittles, Jefferson on the Eastern Conference finalist New Jersey Nets. If all that's left is Martin, he's not going to be as good. He'll be intriguing because of his mean streak/power/athleticism, but not the kind of player that can do it all IMO. I think the Suns have all been about Nash and finding him at least one or two all-stars and that's why he is two time MVP. He is like Jason Kidd type intangibles.</div> I don't ever remember K-Mart averaging 25 and 9 without Jason Kidd. As thats what Amare averaged with a 2nd year Barbosa running the Suns. Fact is yes Nash gets amare alot of easy baskets but Amare would still be a 20 and 10 guy without him (when fully healthly of course) Nash does deserve alot of credit for the Suns success but he isn't the sole reason Amare dominated the league in 04/05.
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">If you've seen Amare play without Nash, you'd realize why the Suns can make those type of comments. D'Antoni is more valuable to the Suns franchise than Amare is. I'm not discounting Amare, but no player should ever be placed above the headcoach of a team. There has to be a pecking order and a coach needs full support from the organization if a team expects to win.</div> I agree with you 100%. IF you would consider gettin rid of a coach over a player, then you probably have the wrong coach for the job anyway. Still, backing a coach is a rarity. They are cheaper then players and its easier to fire a coach then get rid of players for equal value. Don't you like the lakers...don't you think that the organization would get rid of any coach/player/ball-boy/announcer/laker girl, before they got rid of Kobe?
<div class="quote_poster">custodianrules2 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I don't even consider Amare in the same class as guys like Duncan and Shaq who can dominate one versus one, but he's more like offensive Kenyon Martin. </div> You know I hate to say it cause I'm an Amare fan, but in a way you're right, skill-wise he was vaguely similar to K-Mart. But the edge he had was he's just BiGGer than KMart. He wasn't catching alleyoops every time down the court, that was more Marion's game. His game was somewhere in between an alley-oop and a post game. Once he caught the ball down even 8 feet out, he was COMPLETELY undefendable against 95% of the teams out there. KMart you could argue was a great finisher, but if he got the ball 8 feet out, that wasn't always going to be a bucket. Plus I get the sense that Amare's head is a lot more in the game than KMart's though. At least that's the sense I get from watching Amare's commercials. The bottom line is this, if Amare ever developed a Tim Duncan game he would be the best player in the league. Period. Cause there just aren't that many guys his size that are as athletic as he is (or was.... ) Not even Dwight.
Hopefully he demands a trade to his hometown of Orlando for the expiring contract of Grant Hill. Amare, and his Cypress Creek team, played a game at my high school one time. I didn't go, because I'm a moron.
<div class="quote_poster">AllNet Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I don't ever remember K-Mart averaging 25 and 9 without Jason Kidd. As thats what Amare averaged with a 2nd year Barbosa running the Suns. Fact is yes Nash gets amare alot of easy baskets but Amare would still be a 20 and 10 guy without him (when fully healthly of course) Nash does deserve alot of credit for the Suns success but he isn't the sole reason Amare dominated the league in 04/05.</div> In addition to this, Kmart has put up the same numbers in Denver as he did in New Jersey, the only difference being that he's played less minutes due to more competition at his position, or injury. He also had his highest FG% in Denver last season, so that isn't true either. There is 0 comparison between Martin and Amare. Against the Spurs when Amare was killing the Spurs, he was getting ISO's against Duncan, he wasn't scoring off pick and rolls with Nash. You don't average 30 points on just pick and rolls. Also in 04-05 Marion was the main recipient of assits from Nash while scoring 7 less points, not Amare. The idea that Amare is hard to watch without Nash is not based on anything factual that I've seen. I saw this guy in his second year killing kats, and his jumpshot wasn't as good then as it became in 04-05, so I don't know where some of you guys are getting your information from.
