future trade possibility?

What do you guys think about the chances of going after amare in the near future. It seems like he is really falling out of favor with the suns organization. Granted, he is extremely talented so I'm sure they'll cut him a lot of slack but work ethic issues are, many times, difficult to overcome. I'm sure it will take quite a package to get him but I think one of the main guys can be Murphy. Murphy at 4 could work very well for them with Marion at the 3. It seemed Murphy was at his best when he was the trailer on a fast break and he'll get plenty of opportunity for that with Phoenix. Maybe a package with him, Peitrus and some prospects/picks would work.

I know this is about as realistic as our hopes of getting KG but at least there's a chance.

 

GS would have a better chance of getting KG than getting Amare, IMO. I doubt there's any package the Warriors could offer -- including Baron and Jrich and Monta and Ike all together -- that the Suns would consider. Amare, if he comes back healthy, could very well put this league in his back pocket and own it for the next 15 years.

 

In order for Stoudmire to be traded, he is either injured like Hill or has to pull Davis, so that Suns have no choice but to trade him. Even so, Murphy won't cut it. I mean, we just saw what type of value Murphy have in this offseason. Besides, if there is a hint that Stoudmire is available, 29 GMs will rush to the phone. Since he just started to collect new contract, even in best scenario, I don't see him being traded at least this year...

 

Stoudamire is too valuable of a component to the Suns. Shawn Marion would go before him. If the Suns really are serious about trying to win a championship with a small lineup, they need Amare and Nash.

Marion is valuable, but at the same time he is making a lot of money for a guy that gets easily shutdown during the playoffs. Whereas Nash and Amare are very hard to guard. Amare relies on Nash though to create offense off the ball while Nash dribbles and shoots it to spread the floor. Amare is an important component, but if there's no point guard to create for him, he's kind of Kenyon Martin-like. Better scoring and shooting than Kmart, but he's still so raw when it comes to the post or handling the ball... But when Amare has a creative point guard, he's too quick to guard off the ball and he can actually shoot some. He is also more powerful against most power forwards, but he needs to work on his post game.

I'd have to say that Amare is still better than Kmart though off the dribble. A bit like Nene or some other athletic guy that can put the ball on the floor some.

 

Also Amare Stoudamire should give consistent effort on defense and work on his passing. What separates a franchise player from a regular all-star is that the guy makes others around him better. I'm not sure Amare is that player yet. He needs to be like a healthy Webber and rack up some assists to the outside players or the center.

 

Man ..... you throw so many opinions out there every day and i just dont get why no one holds you in check. I mean some of things said get so ridiculous. Maybe it is just me but you state opinions like they are facts. Not too mention the glass is not half empty or half full it is completely empty with a hole in it. Keep on defending Monty ....someone has to.


Marion is valuable, but at the same time he is making a lot of money for a guy that gets easily shutdown during the playoffs.



Yeah well when a guy averaging 20.4 points 11.7 rbs 2 assists 1 block shoots , 88% from the free throw line and 49% fg in the playoffs last year and is considered so easy to shut down. First what the hell are you talking about. Second I will take that kind of easily shut down guy on my roster everyday.

 

<div class="quote_poster">boogielew Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Man ..... you throw so many opinions out there every day and i just dont get why no one holds you in check. I mean some of things said get so ridiculous. Maybe it is just me but you state opinions like they are facts. Not too mention the glass is not half empty or half full it is completely empty with a hole in it. Keep on defending Monty ....someone has to.
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Man .... I don't know understand why you are so bitter about my opinions. I'm not forcing them down somebody's throat when I disagree. I may post a lot, but I don't target anyone like they are wrong. I've never said Montgomery was a better coach than Nelson. I said that Nelson fits this "team" way better than Montgomery because he did not inherit the "team" that fits him right from the get-go. That was Mullin's mistake. In terms of basketball-philosophy, I'm a motion offense fan that likes to get out on the break as much as possible whenever there's a defensive run. That requires a capable 5 man. Unfortunately, we didn't have the guards, the center or the defense or outside shooting and inside play to even do that more balanced and structured type of game. That is why I defend Montgomery's basketball philosophy in the Pac-10 because he was able to do that with slower guys and lower tier NBA/or journeyman big men at least at the Pac-10 level. I respect the fact that when his sytem does work it gives even the most mediocre looking teams a chance to win against more athletic opponent. He is probably one of the most innovative coaches of motion offense if anybody likes the subject. His stanford teams were very different in chemistry compared to our Warriors teams the last two years where it was the same roster. So don't get bent out of shape if I'm trying to look at details and praise him even though he wasn't the right fit for the "team" Mullin assembled for him, nor was he the right personality to handle the team since he was the "nba new kid". Having a different opinon and forming a rebuttal is one thing, but do we really need the derisive tone?
This ain't press, you know? Grain of salt...

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Marion is valuable, but at the same time he is making a lot of money for a guy that gets easily shutdown during the playoffs.



Yeah well when a guy averaging 20.4 points 11.7 rbs 2 assists 1 block shoots , 88% from the free throw line and 49% fg in the playoffs last year and is considered so easy to shut down. First what the hell are you talking about. Second I will take that kind of easily shut down guy on my roster everyday.</div>

I would take him too, beggars can't be chooser and would be the second best player on our team easily. But have you been watching the Suns playoff games or just looking up the end of game statline? When a game is on the line (let's say overtime or 4th quarter), a playoff caliber lockdown defender can shut Marion down when it counts unlike Vince Carter or some other swing dude who is known for 4th quarter play. A max paid player isn't supposed to get shutdown like that IMO. Now there's even more overpaid guys than him, but if you look at Phoenix and how they are floating around the top 10 in payroll with Amare + Nash + Diaw, they've need to balance out the budget at some point, so they can afford some depth and make some changes along the way if they need to. Plus, it can't go on playing Marion 40 minutes a night at F even though he can. The suns have even explored what they could do in the event if they need to trade Shawn Marion for salary reasons and what they could do to add more depth and create comparable production to make a championship run. I mean they found Diaw for Joe Johnson. That was smart. Cheaper too because Johnson is way overpaid. I'd take 9 mil a year over 12-13mil for point forward.

Marion is an awesome player playing undersized at his old college position or at his nba position of small forward, but price for performance he's a bit overrated IMO. Fantasy-ball wise, he's one of the MVPs. Regular season games and against first round chumps, he's money. When playing against tougher opponents past the first round, he's primarily going to be the defensive guy first and foremost that can rebound, score some at the basket, and shoot the three pointer, but he can't be first option on the wing when guys are on him. It's either Nash or Amare that has to break guys down, primarily Nash. Marion does not do very well in situations where he has to create (even compared to Amare) and he thrives in situations if Nash or Amare gets collapsed on. Am I wrong? Maybe some Suns fans can throw their 2 cents in. Of course, if I was a Suns fans, I'd be attached to Marion like I'm attached to Jrich, Ike and Ellis. But the NBA is a longterm business and moves have to be made for the benefit of getting closer to that ring.

 

Of course the Suns might have been easily dead in the water if they did not have Marion last season because Amare had been hurt. Forgot to add that. Marion pretty much emulated a center and a power forward with his massive rebounding effort, plus blocked shots, and he also scored too with Raja Bell, Diaw, and Barbosa were hitting.

Right now the Suns situation is kind of scary if Amare isn't recovered. They would need Marion's production then. They just don't have any more players that can play bigger. Kurt Thomas probably isn't that much of a big starter these days.

Edit: BTW I understand now where the Shawn Marion argument stems from. I said "shutdown" when I meant "stopped" He can be easily stopped at SF or he could be worn out playing bigger at PF. I also apologize if I've come off as derisive to others opinions (maybe like Run BJM a few times) but I still try to let that person know I respect their opinion and won't try to overbearing. I can make mistakes too or have bad opinions. That is why we have a community consensus.

 

As far as Marion, I agree with CR in that he's the more likely to be traded than Amare because he's more expendable. Marion will make $15.1 million, $16.4 million and $17.2 million in the next three seasons. I don't know about his playoff results, but the fact is that his field goal percentage was average (45-46%) before Phoenix got Steve Nash, when then he rose four or five points. His athleticism is phenomenal, but on Phoenix's roster he isn't the go-to guy in most situations, as his shot mechanics are lousy. Maybe it would be different on the Warriors, but I don't think we have the pieces to trade for Marion anyway.

 

Thanks for adding in, Shape.