I can recall when ppl were pumpin up Ben up to be better than Yao. I wanna know if you still have the same opinions?
Last year I said Ben Wallace deserved to be ahead of Yao on the All-NBA team. I also said Ben Wallace was as valuable to his team as Yao was to the Rockets. I thought the Piston benefitted from Ben more than they woudl have benefitted from Yao, and vice versa for the Rockets. I still stand by that. Right now, though, I think Yao has clearly elevated himself above Ben Wallace. Yao's numbers (outside the turnovers) are as godo as they've ever been, and Ben Wallace is down pretty much across the board. I don't think there's a team in the league that would take Ben over Yao at this point. Now the question is can Yao sustain his play (or at least a 20/10 pace) for the whole season. The thing about Ben Wallace is he almost never gets injured. If Yao misses another half-season, and it appears like that's going to be the pattern for him the rest of his career, then maybe you can't say unequivocally that he's the better center.
Yao is better than Ben Wallace right now because he can make an impact on offense, defense, and on the boards while Big Ben can just help his team defensively and on the glass. Yao has really stepped up this season and actually has an offensive game unlike Wallace.
Yao is better than Ben Wallace right now because he can make an impact on offense, defense, and on the boards while Big Ben can just help his team defensively and on the glass. Yao has really stepped up this season and actually has an offensive game unlike Wallace.
It's funny. I TOLD YOU that Yao was better than Ben a long time ago. But ya'll refused 2 acknowledge it. Even though his numbers were considerably lesser, he still was pretty much at 20pts and 9 rebs. Those numbers are better than anything Ben Wallace has put up his whole career.
<div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">It's funny. I TOLD YOU that Yao was better than Ben a long time ago. But ya'll refused 2 acknowledge it. </div> Do you think that Yao's status as a better center now somehow proves you were right then? Or are you saying that Yao hasn't improved, and Ben hasn't gotten any worse? Logic, again, seems to have eluded Rock4Life.
I think injury plagued Yao vs. thriving Ben Wallace last season. is different than this season's Ben Wallace where his numbers seem to be worse than Nazr Mohammed vs. breakout healthy Yao scoring 26 ppg and 10+ rpg.
Well the one thing Big Ben had going for him in this argument was his value to the Pistons. He was the foundation for that team, while the same couldn't be said for Yao, despite his better all around game and stats. However, Wallace has yet to establish a similar role with the Bulls and, couple that with his decreased stats and Yao's monster numbers, and I think it's clear who's better at this point.
<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Well the one thing Big Ben had going for him in this argument was his value to the Pistons. He was the foundation for that team, while the same couldn't be said for Yao, despite his better all around game and stats. However, Wallace has yet to establish a similar role with the Bulls and, couple that with his decreased stats and Yao's monster numbers, and I think it's clear who's better at this point.</div> That argument is flawed. I say prove it. Nazr seems to be just as good, if not better than Ben Wallace with Detroit. Nazr averages 7.7 PPG on 54% shooting, 7 RPG, and 1.4 BPG <u>in 20 MPG</u> with Detroit this season. While Big Ben averaged 7.3 PPG on 51% shooting, 11.3 RPG, and 2.2 BPG <u>in 35 MPG</u>. Not to mention Nazr doesn't hurt his team at the FT line. Lets not forget Nazr makes less than a third of Ben Wallaces salary. One could argue Ben was the foundation of the team and the reason for Detroit's success by using their 3-4 record as an example. I think Detroit sees now that it's not how you start the season, but how you finish it. They are going to need a lot of rest/energy if they want to make it out of the ECF, so I think they would have a similar record with or without Ben Wallace.
<div class="quote_poster">igotask8board Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">That argument is flawed. I say prove it. Nazr seems to be just as good, if not better than Ben Wallace with Detroit. Nazr averages 7.7 PPG on 54% shooting, 7 RPG, and 1.4 BPG <u>in 20 MPG</u> with Detroit this season. While Big Ben averaged 7.3 PPG on 51% shooting, 11.3 RPG, and 2.2 BPG <u>in 35 MPG</u>. Not to mention Nazr doesn't hurt his team at the FT line. Lets not forget Nazr makes less than a third of Ben Wallaces salary. One could argue Ben was the foundation of the team and the reason for Detroit's success by using their 3-4 record as an example. I think Detroit sees now that it's not how you start the season, but how you finish it. They are going to need a lot of rest/energy if they want to make it out of the ECF, so I think they would have a similar record with or without Ben Wallace.</div> So because Nazr cant stay on the floor as long as Ben Wallace did hes somehow better than Wallace? You cant make an impact if your not on the floor. Ben had a huge impact defensively for 30+ minutes and thats what Detroit has been sorely lacking so far this year. Nazr is a nice center and if he stays on the floor is capable of putting up nice numbers but hes no ben wallace
<div class="quote_poster">durvasa Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Do you think that Yao's status as a better center now somehow proves you were right then? Or are you saying that Yao hasn't improved, and Ben hasn't gotten any worse? Logic, again, seems to have eluded Rock4Life.</div> It's perfect logic. It's just you running around the question once again. What's a matter Durvasa? No per-min stats to throw out there to back up ur statement this time. Yao's stats have ALWAYS been better than Ben's. But my point was that it's funny how Yao has to go over and beyond to just to prove ppl like yourself that he's better than somebody who can't even shoot (Ben Wallace). If you can recall, I argued about 5 pages with ppl telling them that Ben Wallace has NOTHIN on Yao Ming. I was called "ignorant" "stubborn" and all kinds of names. But in the long run, i found my "ignorant" "stubborn" remarks to be quite on point. Funny isn't it
<div class="quote_poster">igotask8board Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">That argument is flawed. I say prove it. Nazr seems to be just as good, if not better than Ben Wallace with Detroit. Nazr averages 7.7 PPG on 54% shooting, 7 RPG, and 1.4 BPG <u>in 20 MPG</u> with Detroit this season. While Big Ben averaged 7.3 PPG on 51% shooting, 11.3 RPG, and 2.2 BPG <u>in 35 MPG</u>. Not to mention Nazr doesn't hurt his team at the FT line. Lets not forget Nazr makes less than a third of Ben Wallaces salary. One could argue Ben was the foundation of the team and the reason for Detroit's success by using their 3-4 record as an example. I think Detroit sees now that it's not how you start the season, but how you finish it. They are going to need a lot of rest/energy if they want to make it out of the ECF, so I think they would have a similar record with or without Ben Wallace.</div> I don't necessarily support the argument, but it's clear that opponents are no longer as hesitant to drive it to the rim with Wallace's shotblocking missing. The way the season has started though, you could argue that the Pistons' system were just as valuable to Big Ben as he was too them.
<div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">It's perfect logic.</div> No, it's not. You implied (and you're still implying) that Yao being better than Ben now proves he was better all along. That's not logical.
<div class="quote_poster">durvasa Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">No, it's not. You implied (and you're still implying) that Yao being better than Ben now proves he was better all along. That's not logical.</div> Y not?
It's the same as saying Yao being better than Shaq now, proves that he was better than him in his rookie season.
<div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Y not?</div> BHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Boris Diaw putting up better stats then Shaq proves that Boris has been better then the diesel all along. Sorry. Anyway, I agree 100% with durvasa's first post in the thread.
Dude, players get better over time, and it's clear with Yao. If we're talking about the 04-05 Yao to the 04-05 Wallace, Big Ben was the better player. 06-07 Yao and Wallace though? Yao definitely. Just because Yao's better than Wallace now doesn't mean that he's been better all along. Just like a drug addict saying he's been clean all along when he's been clean just a month. That's not logic, my friend.
<div class="quote_poster">Locke Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Dude, players get better over time, and it's clear with Yao. If we're talking about the 04-05 Yao to the 04-05 Wallace, Big Ben was the better player. 06-07 Yao and Wallace though? Yao definitely. Just because Yao's better than Wallace now doesn't mean that he's been better all along. Just like a drug addict saying he's been clean all along when he's been clean just a month. That's not logic, my friend.</div> Yao's numbers were always better than Ben's. Him bein better was always a fact. But Yao had to put up monsterous numbers just to prove ppl that he was better. How can a player who's only strenghts are rebounding and weakside defending be better than another player who can rebound, score, and pretty much do everything. Yao had to put monsterous numbers just to garner some of ya'lls respect. That's a damn shame <div class="quote_poster">rafy Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">BHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Boris Diaw putting up better stats then Shaq proves that Boris has been better then the diesel all along. Sorry. Anyway, I agree 100% with durvasa's first post in the thread.</div> U want a cookie?
