<div class="quote_poster">Umair15 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I thought he said do you guys still think Big Ben is better than Yao?</div> Yea you are right. He did. However it seems everyone agreed that Yao is having a better season than Big Ben this year. So the discussion shifted to last year.
Oh ok. In that case, I still think Yao was better last year. Big Ben had a strong impact on Pistons, but ever since McGrady got injured, Yao had to carry the Rockets and he did a great job of becoming the leader. He played outstanding averaging like 27 points and 12 rebounds. Yao's game after the ASW was just too much. Big Ben just couldn't play at Yao's level. Yao last year after the ASW just played too good for Ben. Big Ben may have done better in the first half of last season, but I think Yao outdone him in the second half. So I think overall, Yao was better than Big Ben.
This is the pecking order for centers in the league 1-5. 1# Dwight Howard 2# Emeka Okafor 3# Shaq 4# Ben Wallace 5# Mehmet Okur Yao is to huge of a person to not be averaging atleast 10 rebounds and 3-4 blocks.
<div class="quote_poster">GiantMidget Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">This is the pecking order for centers in the league 1-5. 1# Dwight Howard 2# Emeka Okafor 3# Shaq 4# Ben Wallace 5# Mehmet Okur Yao is to huge of a person to not be averaging atleast 10 rebounds and 3-4 blocks.</div> How could Yao be not on your top 5 centers? Averaging 25.6 ppg on 52.8 FG%, 9.8 rpg, 1.9 apg, .5 spg, 1.8 bpg, 4 TOpg Dwight: 17.2 ppg on <u>58.6 FG%</u>, <u>13.7 rpg</u>, 1.6 apg, .5 spg, <u>2.1 bpg</u>, <u>3.4 TOpg</u> Emeka: 16.6 ppg on <u>53.1 FG%</u>, <u>11 rpg</u>, 1.4 apg, <u>.9 spg</u>, <u>3.2 bpg</u>, <u>1.9 TOpg</u> Shaq: 4 games played only... 14 ppg on 46 %, 7.5 rpg, 1.3 apg, 0 spg, 1 bpg, <u>3.5 TOpg</u> Ben: 5.6 ppg on 42.1 FG%, 9.1 rpg, 1.7 apg, <u>1.6 spg</u>, 1.6 bpg, <u>1.3 TOpg </u>Memo: 15 ppg on 46 %, 8 rpg, <u>2 apg</u>, <u>.6 spg</u>, .7 bpg, <u>2.2 TOpg</u> Bolded fields are fields that they are worse than Yao in. Underlined fields are fields they are better than Yao in.
I think everyone here can agree that if they were building a team, they'd select Dwight Howard to be the franchise player over Yao Ming.
Just because Yao is tall, you guys expect him to get 14 rebounds and 4 blocks a game? Tall centers like Manute Bol and Gheorghe Muresean didn't even do that. They got like 2 blocks a game and 8-9 rebounds a game. I dont know the exact stat, but Yao is far out better than players that were near his height. I thought Yao averaged 10.1 rebounds a game?
<div class="quote_poster">GiantMidget Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">This is the pecking order for centers in the league 1-5. 1# Dwight Howard 2# Emeka Okafor 3# Shaq 4# Ben Wallace 5# Mehmet Okur Yao is to huge of a person to not be averaging atleast 10 rebounds and 3-4 blocks.</div> Is that a ranking of how well those players meet/exceed your expectations of what they should be, or of who the best centers are? And I love how people focus on 10 rebounds as some sort of important barometer. If Yao is at 9.8, he sucks. If he's at 10.0, it's acceptable. Ridiculous. Here's a ranking of centers by PER. I included Dwight Howard in the mix, even though he's usually playing PF this year: <div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain'><br/>TeamPlayerPOS MIN PER<br/>1 SAS Tim DuncanFC598 27.0<br/>2 HOU Yao MingC 566 26.9<br/>3 UTH Carlos Boozer FC639 26.9<br/>4 ORL Dwight Howard PF645 23.5<br/>5 PHO Amare StoudemireFC391 22.7<br/>6 TOR Chris BoshFC625 22.4<br/>7 CHA Emeka OkaforFC600 21.4<br/>8 IND Jermaine O'Neal FC600 20.5<br/>9 GSW Andris Biedrins FC519 19.2<br/>10ATL Zaza Pachulia FC477 19.1<br/>11DAL Erick Dampier C 402 18.8<br/>12WAS Etan Thomas FC336 18.5<br/>13DEN Marcus CambyC 485 18.5<br/>14SEA Chris WilcoxFC561 17.3<br/>15DET Nazr Mohammed C 334 17.3<br/>16NJN Nenad KrsticFC542 17.2<br/>17LAL Andrew BynumC 321 17.2<br/>18UTH Mehmet Okur FC604 16.0<br/>19ORL Darko Milicic FC396 15.7<br/>20HOU Dikembe Mutombo C 124 15.6<br/>21LAL Kwame Brown FC227 15.4<br/>22IND Jeff Foster FC378 15.0<br/>23PHI Samuel DalembertC 432 14.8<br/>24MIL Andrew BogutFC509 14.7<br/>25CLE Zydrunas IlgauskasC 440 14.5<br/>26NOR Tyson ChandlerC 470 14.5<br/>27MIL Dan GadzuricC 215 14.2<br/>28MIA Alonzo Mourning C 363 14.0<br/>29SAS Francisco Elson C 269 13.9<br/>30NYK Eddy CurryC 599 13.7<br/></div>
It seems like Yao Ming has become the player that people (outside of Houston and China) love to hate. Everyone thinks he is soft and they just hate on the guy. I understand where people are coming from when they question why his stats aren't better but you guys have to remember, when you are that tall it usually takes away some of your athleticism. Some players Yao's size have trouble running up and down the court (see Sun Ming Ming) so don't be so hard on him.
<div class="quote_poster">GiantMidget Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">This is the pecking order for centers in the league 1-5. 1# Dwight Howard 2# Emeka Okafor 3# Shaq 4# Ben Wallace 5# Mehmet Okur Yao is to huge of a person to not be averaging atleast 10 rebounds and 3-4 blocks.</div> Its funny that you don't have Yao there because he dosen't avg. 10 rebounds a game, but niether do your bottom 3. Yao is averaging almost 10 ppg more then anyone else on ur list, and actually gets more boards then 3 of them. Your theory is insane.
<div class="quote_poster">Swish15 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">It seems like Yao Ming has become the player that people (outside of Houston and China) love to hate. Everyone thinks he is soft and they just hate on the guy. I understand where people are coming from when they question why his stats aren't better but you guys have to remember, when you are that tall it usually takes away some of your athleticism. Some players Yao's size have trouble running up and down the court (see Sun Ming Ming) so don't be so hard on him.</div> That's the problem. It's ok to form expectations of a player based on physical attributes. But if you're going to do that, look at all of their physical attributes. Yao Ming is tall, but he's also below average in terms of agility and quickness. That's just how his body is constructed. But people want to only focus on his size and fault him for not having agility/quickness of a Shaq or even a normal NBA center. Even though he can't change that, anymore than Allen Iverson can all of a sudden make himself 6 inches taller.
I'd like to give a little bit of hometown hype to Andris Biedrins. Twenty years old, and already playing strong and fearless down low.
<div class="quote_poster">Swish15 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I think everyone here can agree that if they were building a team, they'd select Dwight Howard to be the franchise player over Yao Ming.</div> I don't agree with that sh*t. Yao's my guy over any center in the league. It's funny. Some of you who adamantley defended Ben are backtracking now. Last year, Yao had a better season and averaged more rebounds. Yao's stats have ALWAYZ been better than Ben's.
<div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I don't agree with that sh*t. Yao's my guy over any center in the league.</div> That doesn't suprise me one bit.
<div class="quote_poster">Swish15 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">That doesn't suprise me one bit. </div>It shouldn't, Yao's numbers are better than Dwights. He's overrall better.
<div class="quote_poster">durvasa Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Is that a ranking of how well those players meet/exceed your expectations of what they should be, or of who the best centers are? And I love how people focus on 10 rebounds as some sort of important barometer. If Yao is at 9.8, he sucks. If he's at 10.0, it's acceptable. Ridiculous. Here's a ranking of centers by PER. I included Dwight Howard in the mix, even though he's usually playing PF this year: <div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain'><br/>TeamPlayerPOS MIN PER<br/>1 SAS Tim DuncanFC598 27.0<br/>2 HOU Yao MingC 566 26.9<br/>3 UTH Carlos Boozer FC639 26.9<br/>4 ORL Dwight Howard PF645 23.5<br/>5 PHO Amare StoudemireFC391 22.7<br/>6 TOR Chris BoshFC625 22.4<br/>7 CHA Emeka OkaforFC600 21.4<br/>8 IND Jermaine O'Neal FC600 20.5<br/>9 GSW Andris Biedrins FC519 19.2<br/>10ATL Zaza Pachulia FC477 19.1<br/>11DAL Erick Dampier C 402 18.8<br/>12WAS Etan Thomas FC336 18.5<br/>13DEN Marcus CambyC 485 18.5<br/>14SEA Chris WilcoxFC561 17.3<br/>15DET Nazr Mohammed C 334 17.3<br/>16NJN Nenad KrsticFC542 17.2<br/>17LAL Andrew BynumC 321 17.2<br/>18UTH Mehmet Okur FC604 16.0<br/>19ORL Darko Milicic FC396 15.7<br/>20HOU Dikembe Mutombo C 124 15.6<br/>21LAL Kwame Brown FC227 15.4<br/>22IND Jeff Foster FC378 15.0<br/>23PHI Samuel DalembertC 432 14.8<br/>24MIL Andrew BogutFC509 14.7<br/>25CLE Zydrunas IlgauskasC 440 14.5<br/>26NOR Tyson ChandlerC 470 14.5<br/>27MIL Dan GadzuricC 215 14.2<br/>28MIA Alonzo Mourning C 363 14.0<br/>29SAS Francisco Elson C 269 13.9<br/>30NYK Eddy CurryC 599 13.7<br/></div></div> You gotta love this guy. lol Anyways, yeah I like Yao Ming so far in the season. I mean Yao is a lil soft but when you avg. over 20ppg and can actually shoot, then you understand that he's still worthy of being a top center in the league. Dwight's having a great season and all, but he still needs improvement. It's not like Dwight's averaging 3bpg. In fact, his backup Darko gets more bpg than him. I don't know which Center I would take at this stage. I would actually pick Dwight because he's so young and will only improve more. Yao's a clear guy to go to right now though. Mehmet Okur is having a stellar season as I predicted him to be. Ben Wallace isn't doing anything this season that amazes me. Besides, he can't every score. Only putbacks. Emeka is having a monster season avg. like 3bpg and getting those boards. I don't know why Shaq is still considered a top 5 Center in the NBA because he doesn't do much anymore and isn't impressive at all.
