To all the Dunleavy Boo Birds, From J-Rich

I booed Dunleavy a couple of years ago in Denver. We deserve and demand excellence from our team. Anything less than that deserves a boo and that includes Davis, Jrich, whoever...

 

<div class="quote_poster">Kwan1031 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Well, we kinda want a production. I mean, for 4.5 mils per year, you will see me giving 120% on the court. But that doesn't necessary mean that's enough. And, he may play hard every minute. But, having a tofu body, which crumbles at every contact, and habit of going invisible time to time don't necessary give an impression that he gives 100%. He actually came out and indirectly ripped teammates last year for three times as well.

Let's face it. If Dunleavy improved from his rookie season and consistantly hit those open jumpers, he wouldn't hear boos from fans. And, there is no excuse for him not to improve his jumper, when everybody know his game will expand so much with consistant jumper. Dunleavy may not deserve all boos he gets, but he definitely deserves some...</div>

To me that's symptomatic of what's wrong in the US about sports. We are more than willing to boo a guy who's not producing, yet willing to embrace guys like Terrell Owens/Randy Moss/Sprewell/Iverson (OK Iverson plays hard in games, no doubt but hardly a team player in practice). Why? Winning. That's all there is, right?

Well the pendulum has gone way too far and I'm not going to be a part of it. Boo the guys who are giving maximum effort but cheer for the guy who catches the spectacular game winning TD but dogs it in practice and calls everyone else a loser.

 

Who said we're embracing TO, Sprewell, etc? Last thing I'll do is embrace them. I don't boo at JRich, Baron, KG, LeBron, etc and they give maximum effort.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I booed Dunleavy a couple of years ago in Denver. We deserve and demand excellence from our team. Anything less than that deserves a boo and that includes Davis, Jrich, whoever...</div>

It's just a difference in philosophy, I don't think you should ever boo your team, unless of course you get a guy like spreewell choking the coach. I just don't get booing him when he's 6 of 8 and misses a three point shot in rhythm. How is that going to help? I guess it makes sense in some people's minds. I can't say that they're wrong for doing it, I just don't understand how it helps at all.

 

I was actually at that game on saturday against the pistons. When the fans started booing dunleavy, I was kinda in awe. I really didnt understand it and it just didnt feel right. I dont think there is really ever a reason to single a player out of your team and boo them. Maybe its because I've been a player at pretty much every level and I know first hand the effects it can have on a player. It doesnt matter how much money you make, it affects you.

I dont think there is any reason with showing your displeasure in your team by booing them as a whole if they just dont show up to play but I dont understand why you would single someone out.

 

At least we're not the Knicks fans. Man those guys are merciless. Poor Marbury must be affected by it. His numbers stink this year and I thought he'd rebound from last season.

BTW does anybody like TO or Ricky Williams or Randy Moss. Man, I'd boo those guys if they do something really lame. I booed TO for dropping passes. Man, of all the fast running wide receivers, his hands are lousy. You got a proball QB giving him the ball on the money and he bobbles it.

 

Randy Moss -- lol, dude I'm so glad I'm a Niner fan and not a *ack* Raider fan.

 

<div class="quote_poster">philsmith75 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">To me that's symptomatic of what's wrong in the US about sports. We are more than willing to boo a guy who's not producing, yet willing to embrace guys like Terrell Owens/Randy Moss/Sprewell/Iverson (OK Iverson plays hard in games, no doubt but hardly a team player in practice). Why? Winning. That's all there is, right?

Well the pendulum has gone way too far and I'm not going to be a part of it. Boo the guys who are giving maximum effort but cheer for the guy who catches the spectacular game winning TD but dogs it in practice and calls everyone else a loser.</div>

First, booing to unproductive players and cheering for jackass superstars are two different issues. Second, fans are out there to see their players perform well and produce against top competitors. If they wish to watch players giving their 100% regardless of result, it's better for them to watch high school sports and save $ on elsewhere. We cheered Cardinals, because he produced, but we couldn't care less on Najera, because he was an unproductive players, even though he hustled all the time. Once Dunleavy became a productive player, booing will disappear. Third, I don't know where it came from, but fans wishing to see players produce, and their teams to win is not something that came from today's US sports. It has been that way in Europe, Asia, anywhere in the world, and throughout history. I always get a good chuckle whenever US announcers said 'Oh, those foreign players are playing for the love of sports', because that really is not true. Certainly, there is a difference in $, but foreign players also play for $ and fame, and the their mindset isn't all that different from US athletes. Heck, that mindset goes all the way back to Roman gladiators and Greek olympian athletes.

Again, I do believe Dunleavy is being blamed more than what he deserves, and he didn't deserve instant booing from fans. But, it's true that Dunleavy became a poster boy for recent misery, and fans are venting their frustration on Dunleavy, just like many fans whipped Dampier or Cohan whether they deserve or not. The only way to end booing is to be productive...

 

To heck with that. Dun was supposed to be a star in this league. look at his nba draft profile.

http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/mikedunleavy.htm

one of the best shooters in college, desire, etc. etc. and none of that translated to the nba except for the fact that he's not that fast.

 

It's time to trade Dunleavy .

The fans aren't blaming him for not living up to the #3 pick anymore; It's his $45 M contract now . We've rooted for Mike to be consistent and be more aggressive, but he's gone from small forward, to power forward, to point forward, to sixth man on the bench but he hasn't produced. Last season, I heard that he was better with the ball in his hands. This season, Jim Barnett is saying he's better moving without the ball. Jim Barnett on Dunleavy .

Even Nellie has complained about Dunleavy this year. He praised him during the pre-season to give him a boost, but then Dun has gone on to be inconsistent, non-aggressive and not productive.

The only trouble trading Dun is his huge contract. He may not be easily tradeable even if he comes down from BYC next season. He's not untradeable, so if he puts up some numbers like last game someone might take a chance on him thinking they could turn him around. He may be able to do better elsewhere where he isn't booed. He's not going to do it at Golden State. Doubt the boo birds go away with his lack of production .

 

<div class="quote_poster">jason voorhees Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">It's time to trade Dunleavy .

The fans aren't blaming him for not living up to the #3 pick anymore; It's his $45 M contract now . We've rooted for Mike to be consistent and be more aggressive, but he's gone from small forward, to power forward, to point forward, to sixth man on the bench but he hasn't produced. Last season, I heard that he was better with the ball in his hands. This season, Jim Barnett is saying he's better moving without the ball. Jim Barnett on Dunleavy .

Even Nellie has complained about Dunleavy this year. He praised him during the pre-season to give him a boost, but then Dun has gone on to be inconsistent, non-aggressive and not productive.

The only trouble trading Dun is his huge contract. He may not be easily tradeable even if he comes down from BYC next season. He's not untradeable, so if he puts up some numbers like last game someone might take a chance on him thinking they could turn him around. He may be able to do better elsewhere where he isn't booed. He's not going to do it at Golden State. Doubt the boo birds go away with his lack of production .</div>

I agree that the warriors should trade Dunleavy. Either that or trade foyle or murphy or possibly J-rich. It doesn't seem likely to even get one of them traded. But they need caproom and in my opinion these guys are expendable.

Although I would prefer a lineup of Monta, Davis, and J-rich, I think a lineup of Monta, Davis, Pietrus, would be cheaper and not lose too much offensively while gaining offensively.

Agree with your reasons on why Dunleavy needs to go. I wouldn't mind him as a sixth man. I do think that he could be a better player if he was mentally stronger. He only plays well when he has confidence. One of the reasons that booing doesn't help his cause. But I think for his role and contract with the team he's not necessary for the team to win. So far (I know it's still early in the season) but the team's victories are dependent pretty much on how well Baron plays, followed by Biedrins and Monta. But at the same time Dunleavy contributed to the win against Toronto.

Foyle needs to go for obvious reasons.

Murphy I think still has value to the team because I'm liking his play so far this season. Maybe because he's been shooting the ball lately and passing the ball too. The team just doesn't have enough big players at the moment to trade Murphy, as evidenced by the Toronto game. Even with Ike they are thin at PF and C. Even if POB was ready they don't have much depth there.

 

Gohn, trading Jrich? Oh man. The guy can still get better, I think. Plus, his contract is reasonable.

I'd rather trade Pietrus before Jrich, unless Pietrus can consistently get 3-4 assists a night, play smashmouth D, and he shoots better than 43%. I like Ellis as well, but I'm afraid defenses will figure out a way to slow him down once they learn about him. So until Ellis is a superstar, I'd hold onto Jrich to protect Ellis' development. I'd sign and trade Pietrus if I could or trade the rights to him when his value is highest. Same with Murphy. Murphy is good, but I think just maybe we could possibly kill two birds with one stone by seeing what Zarko Cabarkapa can do. Then maybe we don't need Dunleavy as much further down the line if Zarko works out. Biedrins, POB + Ike can provide the rebounding. I think they'll figure out what Murphy was doing to get the rebounds. It's all about positioning and reading the misses off the rim. I think at this point offensive rebounds are a tad more important than defensive rebounds and guys like Biedrins, Ike, and Pietrus (for now) can get us second chance points opportunities. I'm not worried about defensive rebounds because guys like Pietrus (for now), Jrich, Baron can all crash the glass and Biedrins or Ike can hustle down the floor if they need to, or stay at home to rebound. Biedrins can crash the glass. Ike can crash the glass once he gets in position. I believe in our future frontline.

I just think the power forward shooting the outside shot is a little overrated if the other team wants him to shoot and there's nobody to go to inside. And on the defensive end, he's worse than Diogu, Biedrins or POB at altering shots at the basket.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Gohn, trading Jrich? Oh man. The guy can still get better, I think. Plus, his contract is reasonable.</div>
I mainly worried about his knee surgery. He relies a lot on his athleticism, and I'm skeptical that he can get it back.

But yeah, I agree that it would be better to wait to see how good Monta turns out to be. And also if he can learn to play PG.

I guess I'm thinking too much about cap management.

Pietrus definitely would have to prove himself also. And it's still very early in the season, so I see your point that trading J-rich may not be a great idea.

Concerning Zarko, he's too much like Dunleavy in terms of confidence (except he seems to be more affected) and shooting and rebounding and worse defense. But I'd rather have Zarko for the minimum than Dunleavy for 45 mil or however much he is getting paid.

I think thing if the warriors lose Murphy, at least this season, they would have no depth at center and pf, which is the problem. Otherwise I would be happy to get rid of him. I would prefer a Howard or Duncan type player at PF for sure.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Gohn Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I mainly worried about his knee surgery. He relies a lot on his athleticism, and I'm skeptical that he can get it back.

But yeah, I agree that it would be better to wait to see how good Monta turns out to be. And also if he can learn to play PG.

I guess I'm thinking too much about cap management.

Pietrus definitely would have to prove himself also. And it's still very early in the season, so I see your point that trading J-rich may not be a great idea.

Concerning Zarko, he's too much like Dunleavy in terms of confidence (except he seems to be more affected) and shooting and rebounding and worse defense. But I'd rather have Zarko for the minimum than Dunleavy for 45 mil or however much he is getting paid.

I think thing if the warriors lose Murphy, at least this season, they would have no depth at center and pf, which is the problem. Otherwise I would be happy to get rid of him. I would prefer a Howard or Duncan type player at PF for sure.</div>

Yeah Zarko and Dunleavy have their problems with consistency, but I figured Zarko had more upside because he's smart to begin with, and he's taller, more athletic. He's had his games where he just was a nightmarish mismatch on C, PF. Maybe someday he'll have a post game to use against SF... I'm hoping he gets his chance again to show what he's capable of as a better utility player than Dunleavy IMO. He's closer to Dirk Nowitzki than Dunleavy is, that's for sure. Zarko will dunk when he takes those monstrous steps to the rim and he's not deceptively quick. He is obviously quick. He just has some bad habits from the European game and he's a bit weak on the boards. Still, I like him as a potentially cheap, useful utility player at the large positions. One thing I like about Zarko is he won't take many threes. He can make them but if he knows he is no good, he'll try to do something else.

 

I like how people say we should just "Trade Dunleavy." I think it's pretty apparent that he'll never be a consistent producer asstarter in this league, but I think he is a very good glue guy. The problem is, his contract doesn't allow for us to just trade him. It's not that easy. But you can't blame him for that. Also, check out the last couple of games. 2 games ago he single handedly tore it up in the 1st half, and last game he played very well. I think that the running game suits his style greatly, and coming off the bench in this system does too. Now does that mean that he'll ever live up to some draft day prediction of what he should be? No. People were wrong about that. Can he live up to his contract? Stat-wise, probably not, but he helped put the Kings away last night with a few boards in the 4th and that big 3 when the game was down to 5. If his production off of the bench helps win games, then he's worth the contract...now should he be paid less, did Mully sign him when he shouldn't have? Absolutely. No argument there. But he's not a stiff. Just open your eyes and see the little things he does. Yesterday he made a play that tipped the ball out when he couldn't grab the board to Baron who pished the ball and Pietrus finished with a dunk...those are the little things he does that help the team out.

I don't think the team should be looking to trade/dump anyone except for Murphy and Foyle right now. And honestly, both of those guys have their days where they match up well. So let's be patient and enjoy these wins and this homestand while it lasts

 

Maybe the fans are booing Dunleavy and Mullin and Cohan at the same time while booing Dunleavy! haha. If contracts were irrelevant, I do not think anybody would have a problem with Dunleavy(at least far enough to boo him constantly), especially now since he isn't being handed a starting position without earning it. Following sports these days, fans have to be on top of the business side of things, and I know a lot of Warriors fans are. I mean anytime there is a glimps of stardom from a young guy, it becomes time to trade everyone so we can keep him - well that's the way it seems to be on the various Internet forums (probably an effect of the Arenas situation too). What is frustrating for the fans about Dunleavy is the fact that all of these NBA guys like Jerry West(at least before the draft supposively), Jim Barnett, Chris Mullin, Steve Kerr, etc. keep talking up Dunleavy as a good player, yet when he touches the floor there seems to be a significant drop in action on the court going for the Warriors. And again, with the contract/extention, this furstration only mulitiplies.

 

<div class="quote_poster">CohanHater Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I like how people say we should just "Trade Dunleavy." I think it's pretty apparent that he'll never be a consistent producer asstarter in this league, but I think he is a very good glue guy. The problem is, his contract doesn't allow for us to just trade him. It's not that easy. But you can't blame him for that. Also, check out the last couple of games. 2 games ago he single handedly tore it up in the 1st half, and last game he played very well. I think that the running game suits his style greatly, and coming off the bench in this system does too. Now does that mean that he'll ever live up to some draft day prediction of what he should be? No. People were wrong about that. Can he live up to his contract? Stat-wise, probably not, but he helped put the Kings away last night with a few boards in the 4th and that big 3 when the game was down to 5. If his production off of the bench helps win games, then he's worth the contract...now should he be paid less, did Mully sign him when he shouldn't have? Absolutely. No argument there. But he's not a stiff. Just open your eyes and see the little things he does. Yesterday he made a play that tipped the ball out when he couldn't grab the board to Baron who pished the ball and Pietrus finished with a dunk...those are the little things he does that help the team out.

I don't think the team should be looking to trade/dump anyone except for Murphy and Foyle right now. And honestly, both of those guys have their days where they match up well. So let's be patient and enjoy these wins and this homestand while it lasts</div>

Usually, I would love to make the team intact, and see how things are going. But, right now, I would love to dump some salaries asap. Because, I really really want to resign Biedrins after this year. Unlike Murphy or Dunleavy, Biedrins is full of upside, and he is just starting to realize what he is capable of. Also, he is 7 feet, fast and long. If we wait to resign him in 4th year, I think he will cost max or something close to it.

And, if possible, I would love to retain Pietrus as well. He seems like Nelson type of player.

But then, I am also talking about Murphy, Dunleavy and Foyle, so we are basically talking about the same .

 

<div class="quote_poster">Kwan1031 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Usually, I would love to make the team intact, and see how things are going. But, right now, I would love to dump some salaries asap. Because, I really really want to resign Biedrins after this year. Unlike Murphy or Dunleavy, Biedrins is full of upside, and he is just starting to realize what he is capable of. Also, he is 7 feet, fast and long. If we wait to resign him in 4th year, I think he will cost max or something close to it.

And, if possible, I would love to retain Pietrus as well. He seems like Nelson type of player.

But then, I am also talking about Murphy, Dunleavy and Foyle, so we are basically talking about the same .</div>

Crossing my fingers that we keep this core: Biedrins, Baron, Ellis, Richardson, Ike Diogu, POB.

That's a variety of different players we can throw at people. Of course... I know we can't keep them all, unless the market underrates them. I hope we avoid the kind of market where agents say that guys like Samuel Dalembert and Erick Dampier are worth near max or max dollars. I hope other teams just bump their power forwards up to center because most centers aren't even good enough to earn that kind of dough. Not even the third best guy who used to be in the East, Magloire, isn't doing that hot.

It's been west: Yao, Miller, Camby we won't count Amare ...and the East it's been aging Shaq mixed with former all-star and DPY Alonzo Mourning, rising star Dwight Howard who hasn't done anything yet for Orlando, Ben Wallace (who is more of a power forward size but with a center game), and aging Zyldrunas Illgauskus. Emeka Okafor could be a center, I guess... he's like a Zo meets Ben Wallace.

I guess for Utah we can count Mehmet Okur, even though he is a PF type skill. Although his numbers look very good, he's not really the type to bring a team to the playoffs. Not enough defense, although he blocks more shots than any of our skilled offensive big dudes. I guess Okur is pretty nice. I remember Clif Robinson wanted the Warriors to get this guy. He must have thought he was easily better than Troy Murphy with the rebounding, shotblocking, honest inside game, outside game, but just possibly even slower.

 

<div class="quote_poster">custodianrules2 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">At least we're not the Knicks fans. Man those guys are merciless. </div>i agree - when you go to the Garden, you know how they pull some guy from the audience and have him launch a 3 to win a new Toyota Camry or whatever? They boo that guy - and boo him hard. Not sure if that happens at other arenas.

 

<div class="quote_poster">phunDamentalz Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">i agree - when you go to the Garden, you know how they pull some guy from the audience and have him launch a 3 to win a new Toyota Camry or whatever? They boo that guy - and boo him hard. Not sure if that happens at other arenas.</div>

LOL. It's a tough town over there all right. I'm sure it affects some players mentally when they are at home and fans are booing each other over some halftime contest. The higher win % on the road could be a telltale sign for whether it affects certain players, or it could be innacurate since few games have been played in the entire 82 game total.