Warriors @ Sonics 11/18

Discussion in 'Golden State Warriors' started by AlleyOop, Nov 17, 2006.

  1. AnimeFANatic

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    <div class="quote_poster">Warriorfansnc93 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">[​IMG]

    Montay with 31 pts and 7 asts tonight! Dunleavy almost got a triple double! Beans with 13 boards...

    Is Baron hurt or is Nellie resting him since he has been riding him hard lately?</div>

    Baron got hit in the ribs, so he was out with sore ribs. Don't forget Monta had 7 boards and Pietrus had a career high 12 boards. Now thats our PF! [​IMG]
     
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    It's too bad Taft didn't work out. But the Warriors seem to have picked up some good players since the 2003 draft: Pietrus, Biedrins, Diogu, and Ellis.

    It's good to see that the Warriors are taking the first steps to becoming a playoff team: winning at home and beating the teams that playoff teams should beat.

    This team has a very high ceiling right now if any ceiling at all. What are the limits of this roster? Ike Diogu, Troy Murphy, and Jason Richardson have been very limited in their abilities to produce so far; and who knows? maybe Dujan Wagner turns something on and becomes a force for this team off the bench at some point - same for Zarko.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">AnimeFANatic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Baron got hit in the ribs, so he was out with sore ribs. Don't forget Monta had 7 boards and Pietrus had a career high 12 boards. Now thats our PF! [​IMG]</div>

    I hope thats not too serious. Hopefully its just a bruise and nothing broken. Yeah Monta had more boards than Murphy has been averaging all season. Pietrus lead our team in blocked shots too I think. I cant wait to hear from someone who actually got to see the game!
     
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    Got to go to the game with my 5 yr old son and it was a blast. I was five rows off the floor on the baseline opposite the W's bench and let me tell you the most impressive shooter is Ray Allen.

    Although the W's missed their first 6 shots, they came out with a lot of energy midway through the 1st just going right to the rim.

    Monta could take anyone off the dribble tonight. Pietrus was going to the rim hard too and his jumper actually looks pretty smooth (not the 3 though). Biedris changed quite a few shots, had a nice hook from the post and hit 2 FTs late! JRich got 18 but they seemed pretty quiet. McCloud hit some big shots and played hard D. Dunleavy just played a nice all around game, kept shooting after missing a couple pretty bad, some really nice passes. Wondered what was with Baron because he started hot then only came back once.

    Sonics looked bad, for some reason did not use Rashard until late. Whatever the Sonics are doing, Ray Allen is awesome. Even when he misses he's smooth. He doesn't just barely get the ball in, they are right down the middle barely off the back rim, amazing.

    Warriors passed the ball for the most part. At times though, they get stagnant. Let's hope Baron can play Mon. and Nash can't.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting notes from the yahoo game recap:</div><div class="quote_post">Pietrus visited the Sonics' locker room postgame to get some shoes autographed by Allen.</div>
    Pietrus is great. Really shows how much he loves the game and how he's a pretty humble player.
     
  6. AlleyOop

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    <div class="quote_poster">Gohn Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Pietrus is great. Really shows how much he loves the game and how he's a pretty humble player.</div>

    Yeah, that's pretty awesome. I'm almost worried that Murphy will come back and upset the chemistry, even though we don't have a true PF right now -- I love how Beans is making use of heavy minutes.

    Let's hope that, when he comes back, Murph is willing to accept a lesser role. The only way he's going to get his "double-double" this year is if he screws with the team and just plays for stats. If he accepts his fit into Nellie-ball, he'll end up having a career low in stats (10 pts 7 rbs) but will be more valuable to this team than ever.
     
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    The Warriors are really 7-3? Its kinda hard to get too excited since almost all of them have been at home but I couldnt ask for a better start.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Rudeezy Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The Warriors are really 7-3? Its kinda hard to get too excited since almost all of them have been at home but I couldnt ask for a better start.</div>

    7 and 3. 7 and 3. 7 and 3. Kinda rolls off the tongue real easy.

    I'm enjoying the view [​IMG].

    I wouldn't say the talk is entirely positive talking with other Warrior fans, but it's not as bad as past years. Some Warriors still need to improve their free throw shooting and I'm not sure what to do about increasing our rebounding. Maybe get AB should get more minutes than Dunleavy. Give POB some more minutes? Getting Murphy and Ike back should help! Foyle and Dunleavy still take the most heat. Some things never change [​IMG].
     
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    It has also been conveinant playing on these teams at home on the second half of their back to backs.[​IMG]
     
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    Yeah, the schedule has been definitely favoring us, and that's why we are not overly excited with 7-3 record. Also, as much as I am excited with Monta and Biedrins, sooner or later, other teams will make adjustments. It would be interesting to say how they make counter-adjustments.

    That has been said, it has been excellent first 10 games. Davis is playing like all-star, Monta became 2nd scoring option while shooting 52% the field, Richardson's health is improving, Pietrus is shooting light-out (minus FT), Biedrins is controlling the middle, and Dunleavy flourished from the bench as well. I have no clue how this team will perform when the schedule gets tougher, but I am enjoying every moment right now...
     
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    Remember we were 12-6 last year and we were sky high. I had hopes and expectations that we would be that year's Suns and upset alot of teams while really taking control of the west and surprising people. Then we fell flat on our face and could not recover. I am NEVER going to forget that. Not until we have officially locked up a playoff spot. Expect the worst and hope for the best...
     
  12. Custodianrules2

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    <div class="quote_poster">Kwan1031 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, the schedule has been definitely favoring us, and that's why we are not overly excited with 7-3 record. Also, as much as I am excited with Monta and Biedrins, sooner or later, other teams will make adjustments. It would be interesting to say how they make counter-adjustments.

    That has been said, it has been excellent first 10 games. Davis is playing like all-star, Monta became 2nd scoring option while shooting 52% the field, Richardson's health is improving, Pietrus is shooting light-out (minus FT), Biedrins is controlling the middle, and Dunleavy flourished from the bench as well. I have no clue how this team will perform when the schedule gets tougher, but I am enjoying every moment right now...</div>

    I didn't see this game, but my sentiments exactly, Kwan. The Hornets last year got off to an explosive start, but they couldn't last the entire 82 game season in an ultra competitive division/conference.

    Plus, like any rising star, rookie, defenses will figure them out in their game plans eventually. This may play slightly into the sophmore jinx that some rookies get. Veteran coaches and defensivemen may say, "This guy has trouble going left and getting the ball out of the double team. Force him left, trap him, and pick his pocket. Or... This guy has a tendency to stick his arms out on the pump fake, juke him, throw your arms into him and get into the line." It's just little stuff like that that Biedrins or Ellis may have other team's strategists watching tape of them to figure out how to take them out of the game. I think with guys like Baron, Dunleavy, Jrich, Pietrus, the strategy is to let them shoot jumpers or foul them! That's why I'm glad the free throw % seems to have gotten better each game. It's tough to win when our % game is so low on offense, missed free throws, more outside jumpers than layups, dunks, or midrange shots. Guys dropping passes or throwing the ball away. Etc. The only high % game we had up until now was fg % and points allowed. It's partly because Montgomery was pulling the weirdo Larry Brown type stuff when it came to rookies and Mullin not getting more trustworthy veterans in 04 or waiting for the next FA market for a better deal in talent.
     
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    The team is adapting to a coach and style the polar opposite of the last 2 years. Nellie-meanwhile-is experimenting and exploring-looking for what he can do to make each guy better-and how best to merge all those into a team.

    Meanwhile-one sure thing we did have-J Rich-missed preseason and had a knee job-so he's catching up. Our 1-2-3 guys at PF are missing-injured. Nellie had juggled Murphy and Ike around a bit-had not yet found their final,or primary roles. Zarko,hasn't appeared.

    All things considered-.500 at this point would look good. Only 2 teams we played were below us in the standings last year. We are playing real good-with some important stuff not even available. Logically...the Warriors will be better in a month-and that's pretty darn good.
     
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    ...warranting any further injuries, we should be pretty decent if Pietrus stays consistent and so does Ellis and Biedrins (key factors). Of course the big player is Baron Davis. Great stats when he isn't chucking away the momentum towards the other team from three point land. That kind of stuff gets the other team running out on us after long bad misses.

    I'm also not sure about long road trips or back to back games or rebounding after a string of close losses. One thing Nelson does extremely well is to find out which players can hack it mentally and he'll tell them he's going to bench guys if they don't toughen up and produce. The other thing he does very, very well is to keep Mullin from abusing alcohol again. That's probably another reason why Mully brought him back on. When the pressure got too much and no more moves could be made unlike yahoo fantasy league where there are unlimited moves, the sauce was looking mighty tempting again. [​IMG]
     
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    I agree that 7-3 record is misleading because we have played mostly at home but, when we hit the road I feel confident that we will be able to win our shared of games because of Don Nelson experience. Nelson is good for at least 10 games with his adjustments, time outs and the respect he commands as opposed to Montgomery.every team is going to hit a rough spot during the season but, I have more trust in Nelly being able to steer the team through the rough spots. Plus if there is one thing about Nelly is that he is not afraid to trade any player to make the team better.
     
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    Young teams traditionally struggle on the road, they feed off of the crowd. I missed this game, it looks like most everyone played well. Pietrus was the sloppiest player with 4 turnovers, Mike D 13,9,7 with only 1 turnover. If Montay puts up numbers like this all season JRich is going to have a hard time not getting traded.
     
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    Whats with everyone talking about that JRich could be expendable?!

    It's insane! JRich is relatively cheap, young, is going to improve, a borderline all-star (with a healthy knee, which should be soon since he's still recovering), and gave us fans nothing but his best and will continue to do so because he has a awesome work ethic.

    Trust me. Trading JRich would be a huge mistake. Jesus, give the guy some time to recover!

    He was our franchise player, and now he becomes expendable if Monta gets better? C'mon!
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">AnimeFANatic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Whats with everyone talking about that JRich could be expendable?!

    It's insane! JRich is relatively cheap, young, is going to improve, a borderline all-star (with a healthy knee, which should be soon since he's still recovering), and gave us fans nothing but his best and will continue to do so because he has a awesome work ethic.

    Trust me. Trading JRich would be a huge mistake. Jesus, give the guy some time to recover!

    He was our franchise player, and now he becomes expendable if Monta gets better? C'mon!</div>

    Of course. We are not yet some powerhouse that needs just 5 players. However-we are not a team with a dire need in some area either. I'd hardly see J Rich as expendable. He could be traded-anyone can-ultimately,but an effective Go-to scorer,without notable negatives-is not easy to find.

    I see us on the right path at last and want to make some progress on that path before trying some high risk move.
     
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    I agree that the Warriors should not be looking to dump Jason Richardson. But I think if the Warriors could pull off a deal for a player like Paul Pierce or Jermaine O'Neal by dealing Jason and someone like Murphy or Dunleavy, then I think this move should be considered. The Warriors would be very dangerous with Monta and Baron penetrating at will and being able to dish it out to players like Paul Pierce and Pietrus for the open shot. Also Paul Pierce could make the other team's defense be a little more honest since possibly the opposing team could go to a zone and stop Baron and Monta from penetrating, and I am not sure if Baron's and Ellis' along with the other players' outside shooting is on the standard like Pierce who could just torch the opponent by hitting open J after open J.
     
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    You just keep on going lower and lower. What a scumbag thing to say. Then again, why should i expect anything else from you based on your 3 million posts a day. There is nothing funny about alcohalism. My mother just died 11 days ago from cirohsis of the liver. Just because you spew hate daily and spew your ignorance and will say anything to put down Mully, Murph or Dunleavy over and over and over you think it is funny. I said your posts are truly comedy, but there is nothing funny about alcohalism or your post. Truly pathetic. I feel sorry for you, i really do.

    I highly doubt Mullin brought in Nelson to play sponsor for him.

    I borrow from Murph, after reading the litany of posts from you, "you don't know a basketball from a pumpkin!!!!"
     

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