i don't know how mitchell justifies in his mind fred jones playing over mo pete (injury or not). jones has never been a shooter, i don't see why its going to happen in toronto for me.
What would you prefer the starting lineup to be at this point? Mine is: Kris Humphries - Chris Bosh - Jorge Garbajosa - Morris Peterson - TJ Ford With Anthony Parker as the first sub off the bench.
<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">What would you prefer the starting lineup to be at this point? Mine is: Kris Humphries - Chris Bosh - Jorge Garbajosa - Morris Peterson - TJ Ford With Anthony Parker as the first sub off the bench.</div> not enough speed, we would have to zone up a lot for that to work. i'm thinking something like- bosh, garbosa, mo. pete, fred jones, tj ford -then rasho for garbosa; caledron for jones; parker for ford; and humpries for bosh -btw, did u guys notice ford and bosh going at it? trouble in paradise?
I've semi-given up on the Raps being a good running team under Sam Mitchell. At this point, I'm just trying to address the glaring weaknesses in shooting (Garbajosa) and post defense (Humphries). Plus, Jorge's a surprisingly good defender. I hope Ford was getting at Bosh for his lazy defense. Somebody has to give him one, similar to the one he gave to Bargnani.
<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I've semi-given up on the Raps being a good running team under Sam Mitchell. At this point, I'm just trying to address the glaring weaknesses in shooting (Garbajosa) and post defense (Humphries). Plus, Jorge's a surprisingly good defender. I hope Ford was getting at Bosh for his lazy defense. Somebody has to give him one, similar to the one he gave to Bargnani.</div> u know what bosh looked tired as hell, i don't blame him for taking the game off since he carried the team throughout the road trip thus far in a losing cause. if ford showed up like he did today, the raps wouldn't be 2-7. garbosa's a shrewd player, i'll give credit to mitchell for sticking by him when raptor nation wanted his work visa revoked. moreover, i know we as raptor fans blame mitchell for all things wrong with the raps but parker and fred jones had at least 10 open looks and they didn't hit, colangelo brought those guys in , not mitchell. i think we, raptor nation need to start calling colangelo out on his terrible offseason. mitchell is replaceable but there is not substitute for good shooting, which the raps don't have.
I'll give Ford that he played great this game. Fred Jones needs to stop shooting three's, I know he can make them, but wow, with that many open looks, it's just embarassing. We're not a better outside shooting team than last season, yet I think we're taking more three's. I mean common, we had Mike James and Matt Bonner, both 40%+ outside shooters. Bosh is hating everyone on the team right now lol. I just don't know what to say anymore, it's the same thing every game. The only thing I can say is that at least Bosh wasn't the only rebounder today.
<div class="quote_poster">og15 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I'll give Ford that he played great this game. Fred Jones needs to stop shooting three's, I know he can make them, but wow, with that many open looks, it's just embarassing. </div> fred jones can't make them, he couldn't make them in indiana and he ain't going to make them in toronto. although, i think his skills (fast break and passing) are complimentary to the raptor roster but not as a shooter.
<div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">u know what bosh looked tired as hell, i don't blame him for taking the game off since he carried the team throughout the road trip thus far in a losing cause. if ford showed up like he did today, the raps wouldn't be 2-7. garbosa's a shrewd player, i'll give credit to mitchell for sticking by him when raptor nation wanted his work visa revoked. moreover, i know we as raptor fans blame mitchell for all things wrong with the raps but parker and fred jones had at least 10 open looks and they didn't hit, colangelo brought those guys in , not mitchell. i think we, raptor nation need to start calling colangelo out on his terrible offseason. mitchell is replaceable but there is not substitute for good shooting, which the raps don't have.</div> Yea, that's true. But he's been consistently soft this entire year. Considering he's the leader, he needs to at least recognize and be more aggressive out there. Well, did Colangelo say that this team had to be ridiculously dependant on shooting? I thought it was quite obvious that we weren't going to shoot as well as last year and Sam Mitchell, seeing as he had two whole months to study it, should have seen this coming. The fact is that Mitchell's not a creative enough coach to implement any other offensive system. All he knows is drive and kick or pick and roll.
<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The fact is that Mitchell's not a creative enough coach to implement any other offensive system. All he knows is drive and kick or pick and roll.</div> good point mithcell sucks as a coach. still doesn't explain rasho for 7 million a year for 3 more years; bargnani when we could have had picks #4 and #7 from portland for #1 which would have meant brandon roy and marcus williams; charlie v for tj ford?
<div class="quote_poster">og15 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I'll give Ford that he played great this game. Fred Jones needs to stop shooting three's, I know he can make them, but wow, with that many open looks, it's just embarassing. </div> Yea if Fred Jones hit some of his open 3s we might have won it, or at least the game would have been closer. <div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">What would you prefer the starting lineup to be at this point? Mine is: Kris Humphries - Chris Bosh - Jorge Garbajosa - Morris Peterson - TJ Ford With Anthony Parker as the first sub off the bench.</div> Ford - Parker - Mo Pete - Bosh - Humphries Although I do like your lineup Chutney as long as the opposing SF isn't too quick a player.
<div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">good point mithcell sucks as a coach. still doesn't explain rasho for 7 million a year for 3 more years; bargnani when we could have had picks #4 and #7 from portland for #1 which would have meant brandon roy and marcus williams; charlie v for tj ford?</div> No, it doesn't explain Rasho's contract. He isn't a long-term piece that I've admitted before was probably a mistake. But then again, we were still capable of winning 3 of the last 4 games (GS, LA, Denver) without Rasho having a significant impact. The Bargnani pick I will defend. No other player in the lottery had anything but "role player" written all over them. Andrea doesn't fit in with this team now, but you're smart enough to realize that it was to be expected. The dude is still a great prospect. TJ Ford's had two great games in a row. Charlie was not a long-term solution at the 3 and I wouldn't have been comfortable paying him the type of money he would eventually command to be Bosh's backup. Clearly we could've got more for him, but looking to trade him wasn't a mistake.
<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> The Bargnani pick I will defend. No other player in the lottery had anything but "role player" written all over them. Andrea doesn't fit in with this team now, but you're smart enough to realize that it was to be expected. The dude is still a great prospect. TJ Ford's had two great games in a row. Charlie was not a long-term solution at the 3 and I wouldn't have been comfortable paying him the type of money he would eventually command to be Bosh's backup. Clearly we could've got more for him, but looking to trade him wasn't a mistake.</div> o.k. we agree on rasho. i think brandon roy has already demonstrated that he's a starter in the league for the next 10 years and marcus williams is starting point guard worthy. and what definitive sign have u seen that bargnani will be anything more than a stiff? charlie v was forced to play the three out of necessity, this year if he was still on the team we would move him over to the four and bosh to the five, remember bosh played majority of the game today at the five. if i was gm, here's my lineup- caledron-pg mo pete.-sg al harrington-sf (FA with all our cap space) charlie v-pf bosh-c bench marcus williams (pg) brandon roy- (sg) joey g (sf) bonner (pf) elson © and most importantly... a new coach
<div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">o.k. we agree on rasho. i think brandon roy has already demonstrated that he's a starter in the league for the next 10 years and marcus williams is starting point guard worthy. and what definitive sign have u seen that bargnani will be anything more than a stiff? charlie v was forced to play the three out of necessity, this year if he was still on the team we would move him over to the four and bosh to the five, remember bosh played majority of the game today at the five. if i was gm, here's my lineup- caledron-pg mo pete.-sg al harrington-sf (FA with all our cap space) charlie v-pf bosh-c bench marcus williams (pg) brandon roy- (sg) joey g (sf) bonner (pf) elson © and most importantly... a new coach</div> They can still be a role player as a starter. I look at them all as complimentary players, because they all have significant weaknesses to work on (except for Roy who is good but not great at everything). And I don't think there's any way we can criticize Colangelo for not getting Marcus Williams. He was obviously really high on him and the trade scenarios just didn't seem to work out. Bargnani is most definitely not a stiff. He may be ineffective on the floor at times, but the way he can put the ball on the floor and leads me to believe otherwise. Two main reasons I don't think he'll be a stiff: (1) crappy raptor games have had me searching the internet for games of bargnani in europe and (2) I've seen games of Nowitzki and Garnett as a rookie. If the team was to built around Bosh (which it should be) that wouldn't have been an option. Villanueva is obviously a better option right now, but 3-4 years down the road he wouldn't be. Colangelo was right in building this team to maximize Chris' skills and make him as comfortable as possible (obviously Bosh enjoys the flexibility of his current position, seeing as he went out and developed a 3 pt. shot this summer). I wouldn't be able to watch Harrington, Villanueva, and Bosh without constantly forgetting who was who.
I went to watch UFC for the whole 2nd half ... i guess that looks like a solid call at this point. I have to say our offense looks much improved over the last two games, although that may just be the other teams defense. -On the negative side our defense looks to be terrible. I doubt Bosh would even have a clue how to play D in the NBA if it wasn't for Kevin O'neil. I guess most of those lessons must have been forgotten judging by the comments i've read above. I've also been of the opinion Sam Mitchell doesn't have the balls to call CB4 out on being crap defensively.
o.k. which team wins more games, mine or colangelo's? exclude the coaching thing out of the equation. i know, mine wins more this year but down the road colangelo's wins more. although, u need assets to acquire other assets and thats why u need guys that can produce today, i,e. if harrington didn't fit in, we could always trade him mid season for rashard lewis.
<div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">o.k. which team wins more games, mine or colangelo's? exclude the coaching thing out of the equation. i know, mine wins more this year but down the road colangelo's wins more. although, u need assets to acquire other assets and thats why u need guys that can produce today, i,e. if harrington didn't fit in, we could always trade him mid season for rashard lewis.</div> Well, first of all, I don't think you can put Brandon Roy and Marcus Williams on your team. Obviously Colangelo had that scenario (substitute out Roy if you want) the entire draft process, but just wasn't able to get something going. Plus, you didn't eliminate one of our players that would be traded to get that second pick. Second of all, that frontcourt is so ridiculously redundant and soft on defense and rebounding (even more so that our current team). Now that team wins more games with Mitchell as head coach, but I don't think it's clearly a better one (especially when you think of it down the road). And the assets approach is just as applicable with our current roster. There's more players that can be used as trade bait. Anyways, I don't like how this discussion is heading. I've been defending this team far too much.
<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Well, first of all, I don't think you can put Brandon Roy and Marcus Williams on your team. Obviously Colangelo had that scenario (substitute out Roy if you want) the entire draft process, but just wasn't able to get something going. Plus, you didn't eliminate one of our players that would be traded to get that second pick. Second of all, that frontcourt is so ridiculously redundant and soft on defense and rebounding (even more so that our current team). Now that team wins more games with Mitchell as head coach, but I don't think it's clearly a better one (especially when you think of it down the road). And the assets approach is just as applicable with our current roster. There's more players that can be used as trade bait. Anyways, I don't like how this discussion is heading. I've been defending this team far too much.</div> i wasn't making up the #1 for #4 and #7 stuff; portland acquired # 7 to package with #4 to get adam morrison at #1, so it was feasible.
I think the consensus out there was that Toronto didn't have Morrison on their radar at the first pick and, as a result, a lot of teams who had him on mind weren't willing to trade up with us.
