Too Many Talents On This Team, Going To Waste.

Just finished watching the raptors vs Denver game, mehhh , i must say, Mitchell is definetely not the right coach for this team. After 3yrs on the job, sam needs some coaching himself.
This team is deep enough to make the playoffs in the east IMO, we need a better coach that can discipline these guys, put a great defensive strategy in place, and create a new mentality.
THE PLAYERS NEED TO HEAR A NEW VOICE, they are obviously not responding to sam nomore, i dont even think they respect sam as the coach.
Sam will be a better fit as an assistant.
I dont believe in Moral victories, but we had the Laker's game, flat out. Lack of discipline killed that game for us. Sam should have realized that, he shld have kept Ford in the game when he was hot. You dont take a "hot" player out of the game and replace him while he's hot. He kept joggling Ford/calderon when both players were hot, leave these guys in the game and let them play while they hot. FIRE SAM now, i repeat, FIRE HIM NOW before its too late in the season.
We can still turn this thing around, I LIKE the makeup of this team. A blocking center will help, but at this moment, we are knocking on doors, but we not closing them out.

 

really what talents are going to waste? is it rasho's blazing quickness? how about fred jones & anthony parker's potent outside jump shot? i know, tj ford's decision making? possibly bargnani's toughness? or mo pete's consistency? maybe garbosa's range? clearly we're missing joey g's overall floor game? and certainly caledron's suffocating defense?

WE SUCK!!! look at the roster and think before u post next time.

 

I'll take the middle ground. We have a diverse amount of talent. And clearly we need a coach that won't pigeon-hole it into last year's "shoot or die trying" approach.

On the other hand, this obviously isn't the finished product. There are some keepers in there, but there are a couple players that are either redundant with each other or just don't fit.

2 things we can all agree on:

- this team is better than the way they play and the record they seem headed for

- Colangelo didn't build this team with head coach Mitchell in mind

 

<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">
- Colangelo didn't build this team with head coach Mitchell in mind</div>

thats the confounding thing for me, why did he keep him around? or maybe he made some terrible decisions

 

What's your point, we still suck. I have no idea who's to blame, we just have too many reasons to why we're losing.

 

<div class="quote_poster">hustler Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">What's your point, we still suck. I have no idea who's to blame, we just have too many reasons to why we're losing.</div>

yeah we suck, i'm trying to figure out who's to blame?

 

<div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">yeah we suck, i'm trying to figure out who's to blame?</div>
Uros Slokar for not being in uniform, he's the most talented on our roster.

 

<div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">thats the confounding thing for me, why did he keep him around? or maybe he made some terrible decisions</div>
Agreed. Maybe this was like his "recon" and Mitchell was his scapegoat for wasting a season. Or he just wants Oden. Either way, the only reason I could see him keeping Mitchell is to pin the blame on him or because he's lazy. I choose the former, because I'd rather him be evil than stupid.

 

<div class="quote_poster">hustler Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Uros Slokar for not being in uniform, he's the most talented on our roster.</div>

u should get jbb mvp for that post alone.

<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Agreed. Maybe this was like his "recon" and Mitchell was his scapegoat for wasting a season. Or he just wants Oden. Either way, the only reason I could see him keeping Mitchell is to pin the blame on him or because he's lazy. I choose the former, because I'd rather him be evil than stupid.</div>

colangelo has a long history of messing up, e.g. trading j.kidd for starberry and signing penny to a big money contract when his knees had the strength of an old man's.

 

<u><font size=""1"">deception
really what talents are going to waste? is it rasho's blazing quickness? how about fred jones & anthony parker's potent outside jump shot? i know, tj ford's decision making? possibly bargnani's toughness? or mo pete's consistency? maybe garbosa's range? clearly we're missing joey g's overall floor game? and certainly caledron's suffocating defense? WE SUCK!!! look at the roster and think before u post next time. </font></u>

come on now Deception, no need for insult. We both passionate about this team. And am only stating the facts here anyway. We do have some pieces in place, obviously its not finished yet. If u cant see the talents on this team, then u are not a true raptors fan.
Ignore the losing record, ignore the coach. TAKE A DEEP LOOK at the roster and upside of the players we have. These guys will florish under a new system, guaranteed. I will put my last penny on it.
TJ, Calderon, Bosh, Garbo. Mix it up a bit with Parker and Jones.
Give Bargyani a year or two to develop his confidence, he will be killa.
JUST GIVE ME A NEW COACH, and a new "SYSTEM". and you will see my point. [/COLOR]

 

Kudos for this nice thread. You've all brought up good points. I'm going to go with boshbosh though because I think we have a good bunch of players but lack a good system. The problem really is Mitchell. As a coach, you really need to get your guys believing in a system and playing for you. How many games do we have to lose before Mitchell changes things around? And I'm not talking about throwing up shot after shot, but I believe we're not passing around enough. Guys, this guy probably has the most limited playbook. I don't see cuts to the basket (except from TJ). Shouldn't we be playing Bargnani more now that we're losing? It doesn't make sense to me why things are the way how they are. Let's get a better coach.

 

<div class="quote_poster">boshbosh Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">These guys will florish under a new system, guaranteed. I will put my last penny on it.
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<font color=""Red"">Easy man</font>

 

Yawn....Its easy to pick out the worst traits of each player deception....there are few players in the nba that don't have bad traits....BTW parker does have a good outside jumpshot and Garbosa does have range.....blah blah blah, sam mitchell sucks.....we need some veterns who are actually good....we have nobody on this team that will grab other players by the balls and set them straight....bosh tries to but he is a youngin too....we need a charles oakley type player who has had some success. Our vets are either NBA rookies, or complete bench players......we have zero experience or knowledge how to win and close games

 

<div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">really what talents are going to waste? is it rasho's blazing quickness? how about fred jones & anthony parker's potent outside jump shot? i know, tj ford's decision making? possibly bargnani's toughness? or mo pete's consistency? maybe garbosa's range? clearly we're missing joey g's overall floor game? and certainly caledron's suffocating defense?

WE SUCK!!! look at the roster and think before u post next time.</div>
i just looked at the roster and they are underachieving - there is a lot of talent there.

 

<div class="quote_poster">norespect Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yawn....Its easy to pick out the worst traits of each player deception....there are few players in the nba that don't have bad traits....BTW parker does have a good outside jumpshot and Garbosa does have range.....blah blah blah, sam mitchell sucks.....we need some veterns who are actually good....we have nobody on this team that will grab other players by the balls and set them straight....bosh tries to but he is a youngin too....we need a charles oakley type player who has had some success. Our vets are either NBA rookies, or complete bench players......we have zero experience or knowledge how to win and close games</div>


<div class="quote_poster">phunDamentalz Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">i just looked at the roster and they are underachieving - there is a lot of talent there.</div>

both of your player deductions are completely unsubstantiated. the raps aren't a good shooting team, and under sam mitchell the offense is predictable . nevertheless, the roster as of today sucks. btw in regards to the raps being a bad shooting team, look no further than anthony parker and fred jones.

 

Parkers shooting .432....its not good but ive seen worse. Mo, freddie, garbo, bargs and rasho are shooting a worse percentage...why are u singling out parker...he is good on d, he isn't the worst player on our team

 

<div class="quote_poster">norespect Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Parkers shooting .432....its not good but ive seen worse. Mo, freddie, garbo, bargs and rasho are shooting a worse percentage...why are u singling out parker...he is good on d, he isn't the worst player on our team</div>

i like parker, i should have specified my concern- i'm concerned about his outside shooting which has been atrocious. the rest of the club is beyond hope, particularly bargnani and fred jones.

 

Yeah, Parker`s been missing some wide open threes. I really like his form though. He elevates high and squares his shoulders while on balance. If he could hit those open jumpshots and make the tough ones he`s been making (on occasion) it would give our offense a major boost at the end of games. He`s been doing a very nice job defensively.

 

IMO all toronto needs are role players because they already have:
PG: Ford
SG: Mo Pete
SF: Bargnani
PF: Bosh
C: Rasho

IMO thats a very competitive starting 5 and all toronto needs is a little bit deeper bench and chemistry... MAYBE with the addition of Carter in a trade for mo pete and a filler will suffice lol

 

I said it before, and i will say it again, all toronto needs is a new coach. A new coach with a better system both on offence and defence.
GET rid of Sam now before its too late. A couple of veterans wont hurt either, they will disclipine these guys when need be.
The first solution is get a new coach, with a better vision. I cant stand watching Mitchell as our coach nomore, terrible terrible.