<div class="quote_poster">Air Fresh Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Cracker isn't even a very offensive term in the first place.</div> Then neither is *****.
<div class="quote_poster">Air Fresh Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Wrong. DID YOU WATCH THE DAMN VIDEO. DUDE WASNT MAKING JOKES, HE WAS CALLING THE BLACK DUDE THE N WORD TO HIS FACE. Black comedians make fun of EVERYBODY white people included. There is a fine DIFFERENCE, between JOKING AND HAVING FUN compared to being DEAD SERIOUS. Damn dude, get a clue. Black people call black people the term because when facing animosity, they turned a negative into a positive. What other choice do you have when you had to pick cotton all day? It's a cultural thing that if you aren't black you'll probably never understand. Cracker isn't even a very offensive term in the first place.</div> Wrong. So what you're saying is, its perfectly acceptable for a black person to make fun of a white persons culture, but its not acceptable for a white person to make fun of a black persons culture? Cracker (or any derogatory remark) is just as racist as the word ******, I hate how blacks claim the word ****** is so much worse because it has this supposid long and bad history behind it, so what? That means nothing, if you find the word offensive, then you find it offensive.
Racist remarks, whether it be the n word, cracker, Paki, terrorist, whatever, all fall under the same category. You can't make the case for one race as more important than another one.
<div class="quote_poster">I-Miss-MJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Then neither is *****.</div> dude your saying that from australia, u don't understand the intensity of race in america. i.e. white people were even walking out during kramer's n-word laced tirade, that should give u some kind of perspective. moreover, as i've previously stated- the n word is rooted in slavery, easily the most disconcerting part of american history for all americans to this day.
<div class="quote_poster">authentiq Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">First, you're just as ignorant for saying that I-MISS-MJ needs to get a clue when you need one yourself. "They turned a positive into a negative".. This is a tired ass explanation that I've heard for 10+ years. Everyone that gives this explanation says it exactly the same, as if they all read it out the same book. It doesn't desensitize ****. Racist white folks still use it as derogatory. In music (rap) ***** is usually derogatory also. Think about the last time you saw two black folks fight....***** was uttered about 487 times. I admit, when I was a younger cat, I used the word...took me years to break myself of it. Unfortunately, the word is here to stay in hip-hop. I gotta ask, are you black?</div> No I'm brown. Everyone gives that explanation because it makes sense. How else would you explain it? I don't need a clue. Calling a black person when your a black person the N word, is just another word for brotha. It's slang, have you ever said "man MJ is a sick basketball player" you don't mean Mike is in bad health, you mean he is good. When a black person calls a black person the N word he isn't calling him a slave, he callin him a friend ect, of course when the term is not used deragtory fashion. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Then neither is *****.</div> Why wouldn't it be? Cracker is an offensive term, but how much sting does it actually have compared to a term that white people called black slaves? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Wrong. So what you're saying is, its perfectly acceptable for a black person to make fun of a white persons culture, but its not acceptable for a white person to make fun of a black persons culture? Cracker (or any derogatory remark) is just as racist as the word ******, I hate how blacks claim the word ****** is so much worse because it has this supposid long and bad history behind it, so what? That means nothing, if you find the word offensive, then you find it offensive.</div> Was this dude joking when he called dude the N word? No he wasn't. I never said it was ok for people to call white people crackers, black comedians JOKE about it. I never said cracker wasn't as racist as the N word. But if I call a white person cracker why would they be upset compared to when a black person is called the N word? Its not about a racist word being more important. It would be easy for someone to say being call the N word is just as offensive as being called a cracker when they have probably never experienced being called a N word before. If your skin was black I'm sure you'd feel different. Cracker= farmer who owned his own land, N word= worker who was owned my another Man
<div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">dude your saying that from australia, u don't understand the intensity of race in america. i.e. white people were even walking out during kramer's n-word laced tirade, that should give u some kind of perspective. moreover, as i've previously stated- the n word is rooted in slavery, easily the most disconcerting part of american history for all americans to this day.</div> Yeah, I mean what would be know about racism, the white population basically whiped out the entire Aboriginal race, but I mean we know nothing I would've walked out during his performance too, what he did / said was 110% wrong, we arent doubting that, what we're saying is that its moronic that Black people are basically allowed to make fun of White people and White culture, but when White people make fun of Black people and Black culture, its deemed racist. You're basically telling us Black people have a license to be racist. As I said, the "history" behind the word ****** means nothing, as Karma said, they're all as derogatory as each other, they're all said in the same matter that is meant to offend the same.
Hah, ironically today. . a girl told me "I am not racist, I am black!" That being said, all comments that can possibly offend anyone are completely out of line. I used to love Kramer and watching Seinfeld I'd love when he'd do something insane, but this is just. . pushing the limit. However, I don't get how people are thinking Carlos Mencia is hilarious, I find that dude pretty unfunny too. And just for the sake of "clearing up" cracker: <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Historically the word suggested poor, white rural Americans with little formal education. Historians point out the term originally referred to the strong Scots-Irish of the backcountry (as opposed to the English of the seacoast). Thus a sociologist reported in 1926, "As the plantations expanded these freed men (formerly bond servants) were pushed further and further back upon the more and more sterile soil. They became 'pinelanders,' 'corn-crackers,' or 'crackers.'"</div> Link What do you say to offend a white person racially? White Trash, or Cracker. To say it's not offensive is off-base and contradicting. And if any of the "South Asians" (Indians, Pakis, etc.) are truly offended when someone generalizes them with India/Pakistan, you are insane. That's a COMMON mistake. Now if someone were to call me a terrorist or something, that's different, but don't bring up the "Oh, I am Pakistani and he called me Indian OHMYGOD." That's complete crap, correct them and tell them why that's important and get over it. Overall. . Richard's comments were not trying to be funny, I think at the beginning people thought he was trying to be funny. . That was uncalled for -- and to return that tirade with a racist remark is pretty idiotic. Whatever happened to tolerance in the world?
<div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">dude your saying that from australia, u don't understand the intensity of race in america. i.e. white people were even walking out during kramer's n-word laced tirade, that should give u some kind of perspective. moreover, as i've previously stated- the n word is rooted in slavery, easily the most disconcerting part of american history for all americans to this day.</div> I was pointing out not so subtly that cracker and ****** are either as bad as each other or not. I don't see their being degrees of offensive racial words. They either are or they aren't. The simple solution is this - either everyone can use it eliminating the negativity or no one can use it making it a big social no no
<div class="quote_poster">Air Fresh Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">No I'm brown. I don't need a clue. Calling a black person when your a black person the N word, is just another word for brotha. It's slang, have you ever said "man MJ is a sick basketball player" you don't mean Mike is in bad health, you mean he is good. When a black person calls a black person the N word he isn't calling him a slave, he callin him a friend ect, of course when the term is not used deragtory fashion. </div> i call my biological father "dad", is it o.k. for u to call him dad as well? thats some poor logic on your part. slang as u call it, is not universal, rather it is a very particularistic thing.
<div class="quote_poster">NTC187 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, I mean what would be know about racism, the white population basically whiped out the entire Aboriginal race, but I mean we know nothing </div> same thing happened in N.A.- scholars estimate that between columbus arriving in the americas in 1492 and 100 years afterwards, 100 million indigenous people vanished. however, slavery is much more complicated cause it became a morally divisive issue, in fact, they fought a war over it. fyi, more americans have died in the US civil war than any other war with american participation. furthermore, black people are still around and their rights are enshrined, unlike the aboriginals in australia who have become nothing more than pariah's. therefore, protecting minorities in america has become its greatest social concern. <div class="quote_poster">I-Miss-MJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I was pointing out not so subtly that cracker and ****** are either as bad as each other or not. I don't see their being degrees of offensive racial words. They either are or they aren't. The simple solution is this - either everyone can use it eliminating the negativity or no one can use it making it a big social no no</div> of course there are degrees and there is context as well. restraint is a part of growing up.
<div class="quote_poster">Mag Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> What do you say to offend a white person racially? White Trash, or Cracker. To say it's not offensive is off-base and contradicting. And if any of the "South Asians" (Indians, Pakis, etc.) are truly offended when someone generalizes them with India/Pakistan, you are insane. That's a COMMON mistake. Now if someone were to call me a terrorist or something, that's different, but don't bring up the "Oh, I am Pakistani and he called me Indian OHMYGOD." That's complete crap, correct them and tell them why that's important and get over it. </div> Are you kidding me? I don't take offense when people ask me if I'm Pakistani, I take offense when brown people are referred to as "f-ing Pakis" or "yo Paki, stfu and go eat your curry". And if you think calling someone the n-word is any different from black guys or white guys calling random brown people Pakis, you yourself are insane. IT'S THE SAME CONCEPT. My point of view is that you guys are making it seem like racism is MUCH MORE than racism when it involves black people. Racism is not a problem that only exists for black people, it exists for every race. The solution is not making it a bigger problem for just black people, but recognizing that to control it, you have to control being racist towards other races as well. In all honesty, do you really think the n-word is going to stop being said by non-blacks as long as blacks keep saying it themselves? I know enough people that refer to each other as the n-word even though they're not black. If the word is still circulating among black people, it will continue to exist. As for the n-word being the reflection of slavery, and other races not understanding it's meaning...why would you want to keep the word around then, if the word in itself derives from another race's hate towards you? The tone of how someone says something determines whether they are being blatantly racist or not. Michael Richards was. If someone said to me, "hey, Are you from Pakistan?" obviously I'm not going to care, but if someone says to me "you f-ing Paki, go eat your curry" obviously I'm going to care. Edit: My bad if my post makes it seems like I'm offended by anything you said Mag. I'm not, just opposing what you said.
Two different issues here, everybody. Everyone here can agree that Richards was in the wrong with his tirade. It wasn't part of his comedy act, it was a poor, tasteless response to criticism, and it's horribly offensive. No one can disagree with that. The issue that has everyone arguing (and that really isn't related to this story) is whether black comedians are justified in using the word cra**er. Clearly they aren't. There is a social taboo against the use of the n-word by non-blacks, and rightfully so. But, if African-Americans decide to use similar racially-driven insults towards other ethnicities, they are not only challenging that taboo, they are flaunting they're supposed immunity from racial epithets in mainstream culture. I've seen a few people argue over which term is worse than which. It's a pointless debate. You can spend hours trying to prove how certain terms carry more emotional and historical baggage than others, but in the end, all of them serve the same purpose. They offend and mock a person for something they cannot control and should be discouraged. Anyways, as I said before, that's a completely different issue from this Richards incident. He got heckled, couldn't handle it or creatively respond to it, and decided to unleash an absolutely disgusting rant that was embarrassing for everyone. I'm sure it wasn't only African-Americans that were offended by that. I'm not black, and I couldn't stand listening to it. WARNING: I'm seeing a lot of emotion in this thread. Let's try to keep emotions controlled in here and remember that, even if we all have different views on racial insults, everyone in this thread has settled on the common ground of denouncing Richards' comments. If I continue to see too much swearing (even if censored) or personal attacks, I will be forced to shut this thread down.
Whoa, wait, wtf? I'm sorry to ask this guys, but I have no sound on my computer right now, what prompted this, and what all was said? I can see Kramer freaking out, but what'd the dude say to bring that on? Kramer's my boy, this is sad as hell to see him lose it like that. .
The video offers a caption of everything that's being said. Just click the link (if you haven't already) and you can read everything he says. Edit: I would honestly be afraid if I was Michael Richards and this tape spreads (which it probably will). Can you imagine being him...now every black person he sees who's seen the tape will want to say something to up, or maybe even start something based on how racist he acted. He'll have a REALLY hard time shedding this image of him now. Just like the "Kramer" image has been impossible to shed for him, his tirade will not be soon forgotten, no matter how much he apologizes.
<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> I've seen a few people argue over which term is worse than which. It's a pointless debate. You can spend hours trying to prove how certain terms carry more emotional and historical baggage than others, but in the end, all of them serve the same purpose. They offend and mock a person for something they cannot control and should be discouraged. </div> there is no word like the n word in america, there is no point of contention. to know this reality is to have an appreciation for american history. i would love to sit and debate but i have to go now and watch the raps get murdered by the polygamists.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Schaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm sorry to ask this guys, but I have no sound on my computer right now, what prompted this, and what all was said? I can see Kramer freaking out, but what'd the dude say to bring that on? </div> He said he wasn't funny and his act sucked, I think. Typical heckler. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">there is no word like the n word in america, there is no point of contention. to know this reality is to have an appreciation for american history. i would love to sit and debate but i have to go now and watch the raps get murdered by the polygamists.</div> I never said they were all equal in historical significance, etc. What I said is, on the subject of what is more offensive or should be more restricted, that history shouldn't make a difference. The end result is the same. They offend. And I will be shortly leaving to see the same thing. Just wanted to make sure this thread doesn't turn into an online riot. I also wouldn't be surprised to see Bosh make a post-game Kramer-eque rant about Europeans.
<div class="quote_poster">Air Fresh Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">No I'm brown. Everyone gives that explanation because it makes sense. How else would you explain it? I don't need a clue. Calling a black person when your a black person the N word, is just another word for brotha. It's slang, have you ever said "man MJ is a sick basketball player" you don't mean Mike is in bad health, you mean he is good. When a black person calls a black person the N word he isn't calling him a slave, he callin him a friend ect, of course when the term is not used deragtory fashion. </div> Neither Black people or other races should be saying it. When you say the word, remember all those people being hung from those trees. Remember those blacks in the South being sprayed with hoses and dogs attacking them. Remember MLK and other leaders walking to make a change NOT be called a n*gga.
Wow, talk about losing your s***. His career is over I think that this is an interesting issue being discussed here. I've often wondered about the differences in what black and white commedians say, and I've debated it with friends. It seems that black comedians, at least the ones I've seen, have <u>far</u> more race jokes than comedians of other races. However, often times I've noticed black people reacting to race being brought up or especially derogatory words far more seriously and aggresively than other races. To me, it's just the same as when you're ribbing your friends. If you dish it out, you've got to take it. I am by no means defending Kramer's actions, because he quite obviously went off the deep end. It's just interesting to see how this argument has escalated over the usage of these words.
I just want to comment (for the 4th time) on the word n*igga/n*igger and how others are not allowed to use it but blacks accept it amongst each other.. If white CAN'T use it, and call you the same thing, you defeat the purpose of trying to say some other stuff like "friend"..
