<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> there is no word like the n word in america, there is no point of contention. to know this reality is to have an appreciation for american history. </div> Despite the history of the word, it is, in it's basic context, a racist word. Therefore, how is it any different than calling someone a terrorist, cracker, etc? My arguement, stated in much better words: <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I never said they were all equal in historical significance, etc. What I said is, on the subject of what is more offensive or should be more restricted, that history shouldn't make a difference. The end result is the same. They offend. </div>
<div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">there is no word like the n word in america, there is no point of contention. to know this reality is to have an appreciation for american history. i would love to sit and debate but i have to go now and watch the raps get murdered by the polygamists.</div> There is no difference between the impact of the words "******" and "cracker". Its how people react to them. Whites, in general, don't give a **** when they are called names, I'm white and I'm rarely, if ever, offended by words. As long as black people keep reacting to "******" with a ton of outrage the word will continue to be used to offend them, if they stop reacting the word has no more negative power but instead they flip out and cry racism every time a non-black uses the word (this is all just a generalization, not all blacks or whites are like this).
while I believe saying both words are wrong...i disagree with the impact on both words BJM. I'd like to reititerate what a stated a page back: "When you say the word, remember all those people being hung from those trees. Remember those blacks in the South being sprayed with hoses and dogs attacking them. Remember MLK and other leaders walking to make a change NOT be called a n*gga." ....it's not so much the word, but the history behind it.
<div class="quote_poster">Run BJM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">There is no difference between the impact of the words "******" and "cracker". Its how people react to them. Whites, in general, don't give a **** when they are called names, I'm white and I'm rarely, if ever, offended by words. As long as black people keep reacting to "******" with a ton of outrage the word will continue to be used to offend them, if they stop reacting the word has no more negative power but instead they flip out and cry racism every time a non-black uses the word (this is all just a generalization, not all blacks or whites are like this).</div> This is a legit point. And yes, I've very rarely seen a white person get mad over someone calling them a cracker. They usually just laugh it off. Hell, for all the crap the white race had done to other races, we're getting off easy if cracker is the worst thing we ever have to endure. What's funny at least in my experience is that I've had black people use the n word against me more often than I've been called a cracker. Almost always joking, but at least twice a black guy was pissed off and called me something along the lines of "you dumb-ass *****". I just thought it was funny both times, so
<div class="quote_poster">Run BJM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">There is no difference between the impact of the words "******" and "cracker". Its how people react to them. Whites, in general, don't give a **** when they are called names, I'm white and I'm rarely, if ever, offended by words. As long as black people keep reacting to "******" with a ton of outrage the word will continue to be used to offend them, if they stop reacting the word has no more negative power but instead they flip out and cry racism every time a non-black uses the word (this is all just a generalization, not all blacks or whites are like this).</div> what? i'm not going to respond anymore to this thread cause frankly most u don't know what your talking about. fyi- the word is empowered by history not the reactions to it.
<div class="quote_poster">Run BJM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">There is no difference between the impact of the words "******" and "cracker". </div> If you think the impact and history of those 2 words are even similar, then you need to get yourself checked into an American History class ASAP. Don't be ignorant. <div class="quote_poster">I-Miss-MJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Maybe I missed the history class where it said that black people, and only black people were the ones persecuted against. Because I am quite certain white people have been slung up a tree by non-white people at certain points in time. Or that white people have been slaves to non whites.</div> Find me a link that says white people were lynched, enslaved, and denied the rights of human beings for hundreds of years, and you may have a point. I do, however, think black people should stop using the word so damn much if they find it so offensive, like I do. And I do somewhat agree that black comedians can mock white people and it's funny, but if a white person mocks black people..... the **** hits the fan. Although you see it more often nowadays, and if done in good humor, people will laugh and not find it offensive. You have to realize when it's in good humor or not. I think racist people are the SCUM of society, and I hate them more than anyone. But people need to lighten up. Michael Richard's comments however, were blatantly racist. As a huge Seinfeld fan I was quite shocked. He later apologized saying he isn't racist and just had an outburst but I don't buy it. I would NEVER react that way in any situation. <div class="quote_poster">Karma Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">My arguement, stated in much better words: I never said they were all equal in historical significance, etc. What I said is, on the subject of what is more offensive or should be more restricted, that history shouldn't make a difference. The end result is the same. They offend.</div> The words fat and poopie head also offend. Some words offend more than others, don't be stupid.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> what we're saying is that its moronic that Black people are basically allowed to make fun of White people and White culture, but when White people make fun of Black people and Black culture, its deemed racist. You're basically telling us Black people have a license to be racist.</div> Don't know where you got this from, considering it has nothing to do with the topic. Who said anything about white people not being aloud to poke fun at black people? If you have ever watched BET Comicview, everyonce in a while they'll have white dudes on there who make tasteful jokes about black people, in front of a predominately black croud, and the black people laugh. Black people have a license to be racist? I seriously would like to know where you are pulling this stuff from!? I'm not sure if you misinterpruted someones comments or what. Also Saying the N word doesn't make you a racist, but saying: "50 years ago we'd have you hanging upside down with a fork up your ass" I can't see how a non racist person would ever say that.
<div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">what? i'm not going to respond anymore to this thread cause frankly most u don't know what your talking about. fyi- the word is empowered by history not the reactions to it.</div> Really, you need to just give it up now, your argument doesnt even make any sense.
I'm not about to jump into the whole debate about the use of the 'n-word,' because no matter what I said, no matter how neutral, it'd piss someone off. I do want to point out though, that Michael Richards wasn't making a joke. He was obviously filled with rage when he was responding to them, and there weren't any comedic overtones whatsoever. It was racism no matter how you want to view the 'n-word.' This really saddens me though. I'm a huge Seinfeld fan, especially of Kramer. He was so happy-go-lucky, and well, just plain goofy and innocent. This completely shatters my image of him, and it's horrible timing with the new Seinfeld DVD's coming out this month. I was going to buy them, but I don't know if I'll be able to watch the show the same anymore.
Richards has never been funny as a stand up. His comment was just dumb....even if you were a member of the KKK there was no actual humour in that, just retarded name calling. I'm glad everyone left. The N word is alot worse then cracker....but we shouldn't be developing a rating system. BTW, I am a student and I also work at The Beer Store and last week a brown (i'll say brown because I dont know if he was from India or Pakistan on another country for that matter) told a black man to "chill out N*****" after he accidently cut him off in the parking lot. The black guy almost hit the roof...I had to pull him off the brown guy. He had every right to be upset, but then he went and said something that made him look just as stupid and even more ignorant...He said, "don't call me a n*****, you're a brown piece of s***." You just end up being just as dumb and ignorant. BTW, WHAT THE HELL WAS RICHARDS THINKING?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">but we shouldn't be developing a rating system.</div> Well said.
The part where he trashtalks the stranger in the street and then hides behind the door seems to make more sense now.
<div class="quote_poster">Voodoo Child Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">How can you ever watch something like this the same? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5CdqV0WDac</div> Actually, that was really funny. Just because he makes some racists comments now (I'm not trying to downplay this part), doesn't mean that the brilliant stuff he did over 10 years ago as Kramer loses any "funnyness".
His half-assed apology (reminded me of Mel Gibson): Invalid Video Link Man, was that the wrong place to apologize or what? And Seinfield's unconditional support kind of bothered me too.
Tried to Ju-Jitsu that? As for Seinfelds support, of course he will, they are friends and he wouldn't go on saying he would not support him. btw why does he say Afro Americans?
As opposed to call them n***ers again? Of course he will never be able to rectify what he did, but at least he is doing what he can do, which is to appologise, and maybe he also needs to go to a psychotherapist or something, to get to the root of the problem that he obviously has.
I don't buy his story. He wasen't in a rage. HE was trying to be funny...it was just a very bad decision. You can clearly see he was trying to be funny; "You see, this offends you.....Is this too much for you.....You see what happens when you interrupt the white man?" Thats not rage and not comedy either.
