http://sports.espn.go.com/espnradio/podcas...ayer?id=2669715 -the rifts surrounds the playing of bargnani -specifically its starts at the 6 minute mark in the interview -it almost sounds like play him or find another job
Nice find. lol, BC straight up dissed Memphis. Bringing back the Raptors-Grizzlies rivalry. Anyways, the Bargnani question starts at 7 mins. Mitchell's brought up at 8 mins. Two major points about what he was saying: - He seemed to say that the problem is arising from Sam Mitchell trying to preserve his position and win this season, while kind of ignoring the long term effects. - He also pointed to the game situations Bargnani is put in (which I pointed out before). Quality of minutes vs. Quantity of minutes. Both of them really should have been foreseeable. If you give a lame duck coach a young team, he's going to ignore the long-term goal in order to prove his worth. And it's obvious that Mitchell is listening, considering the minutes Andrea got against Utah. btw, Chad Ford's "Question of Fear" is lame.
I find it funny that eveyone is saying that this is a "new" team and you have to give them time. I thought everyone came into camp early so that they can gel.....this team is in shambels. I think they should keep mitchell until midseason, bring in a new guy if he is there, but if not stay with mitchell. Tank the season and hope for Oden.
is mitchell listening? utah is the only game where bargnani played significant minutes and its apparent judging from colangelo's forcefulness on the issue- bargnani getting minutes has been a mandate from the start. plus, your underestimating just how stubborn he is and just like anyone else- he wants some professional space to do it his way. and on the topic of bargnani- the raps need to bring in an assistant coach who's fluent in italian. and norespect- chemistry is a big issue or the lack there of. occasionally it looks like tj doesn't trust his teammates, same goes for the rest of team to a lesser extent.
WOW, BC is totally behind Andrea... Listening to this clip, BC believes in Andrea. "We need to put him in a position to perform, get him more active and involved.", said BC about Andrea. I cant wait for that morning, with the headline.... "SAM MITCHELL FIRED" I will be sooo happy. please bring back the optimism...
<div class="quote_poster">boshbosh Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">WOW, BC is totally behind Andrea... Listening to this clip, BC believes in Andrea. "We need to put him in a position to perform, get him more active and involved.", said BC about Andrea. I cant wait for that morning, with the headline.... "SAM MITCHELL FIRED" I will be sooo happy. please bring back the optimism...</div> after mitchell gets fired, david miller (the mayor toronto) will commission u to plan the parade route for the raptor championship.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">is mitchell listening? utah is the only game where bargnani played significant minutes and its apparent judging from colangelo's forcefulness on the issue- bargnani getting minutes has been a mandate from the start. plus, your underestimating just how stubborn he is and just like anyone else- he wants some professional space to do it his way. and on the topic of bargnani- the raps need to bring in an assistant coach who's fluent in italian.</div> Mitchell's stubborn, but he's smart. We all know about how he stood up against Babcock's demands to play Hoffa, but then you have to realize how little confidence Babcock commanded in that organization. I have no doubts in my mind, that Mitchell had a part (however small) in his firing. Clearly, he doesn't have that same leverage anymore. Sam knows he was lucky enough to have his job and he's pushing Colangelo's boundaries in regards to Bargnani. His only preoccupation right now is producing a successful season (wins total) and only when Colangelo made it expressly clear in the media, before the Utah game, that getting Bargnani quality minutes was an important duty as well, did he bother to try it.
<div class="quote_poster">boshbosh Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">WOW, BC is totally behind Andrea... Listening to this clip, BC believes in Andrea. "We need to put him in a position to perform, get him more active and involved.", said BC about Andrea. I cant wait for that morning, with the headline.... "SAM MITCHELL FIRED" I will be sooo happy. please bring back the optimism...</div> Of course BC is behind Andrea. It's his pick. He will always be identified with Bargnani. If Bargnani becomes a bust, it will be on him.
<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Mitchell's stubborn, but he's smart. We all know about how he stood up against Babcock's demands to play Hoffa, but then you have to realize how little confidence Babcock commanded in that organization. I have no doubts in my mind, that Mitchell had a part (however small) in his firing. Clearly, he doesn't have that same leverage anymore. Sam knows he was lucky enough to have his job and he's pushing Colangelo's boundaries in regards to Bargnani. His only preoccupation right now is producing a successful season (wins total) and only when Colangelo made it expressly clear in the media, before the Utah game, that getting Bargnani quality minutes was an important duty as well, did he bother to try it.</div> u assume rational actors, i believe u assume wrongly. one thing we know is that mitchell is ultra competitive.to that end, if u get a chance- watch the clip where bosh yells at bargnani and u'll see mitchell clapping. i believe mitchell thinks bargnani isn't ready and frankly doesn't deserve minutes over humpries or garbosa. moreover, colangelo hasn't awarded him an extension so more incentive for mitchell to stick to his guns. do u honestly think mitchell is the kind of guy who's buffeted by other people's demands and expectations, even his superiors? <div class="quote_poster">Eclipse Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Of course BC is behind Andrea. It's his pick. He will always be identified with Bargnani. If Bargnani becomes a bust, it will be on him.</div> preach on brother
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">u assume rational actors, i believe u assume wrongly. one thing we know is that mitchell is ultra competitive.to that end, if u get a chance- watch the clip where bosh yells at bargnani and u'll see mitchell clapping. i believe mitchell thinks bargnani isn't ready and frankly doesn't deserve minutes over humpries or garbosa. moreover, colangelo hasn't awarded him an extension so more incentive for mitchell to stick to his guns. do u honestly think mitchell is the kind of guy who's buffeted by other people's demands and expectations, even his superiors?</div> It is a pretty big assumption, but I still feel it is the right one. The way he navigated around Babcock's firing opened my eyes a little bit. It wasn't just a matter of sticking to this principles, he was observant of the situation and knew what he could get away with. And he didn't want to get the blame for a move that Babcock wanted, which would probably fail. A lot has changed since then, though. First of all, he's got a new boss that has the complete confidence of the owner and absolute decision-making ability. Secondly, his reputation has taken quite a hit since then and not just in this market (eg: being voted the worst coach by all NBA players). And finally he no longer has the excuse of developing for the future. This is his last and only chance to remain a head coach and he obviously knows that. I just don't I think that he is stubborn enough to let himself be fired, based solely on principles. If that were true, he would have developed a coaching philosophy long ago and stuck with it. Instead he's changed a lot each year according to the circumstances (1st year- let the vets lead the way/develop Bosh. 2nd year- help Bosh reach All-Star level/develop the young talent. 3rd year- win now and (only recently) develop Bargnani.).
<div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">http://sports.espn.go.com/espnradio/podcas...ayer?id=2669715 -it almost sounds like play him or find another job</div> It really does sound like that too. It's funny because he really never says anything about expecting to win, but if he doesn't give Bargnani time then it really sounds negative. Also, I wouldn't necessarily say he was just negative on Mitchell when it came to coaching. He said that he continues to evaluate the tallent on the team and the coaching staff as things move forward. The way he said it was kind of " the team AND THE COACHING STAFF" ... at least that's how i saw it. Jim Todd is going to have to propose to Norma Wick in the next 2 weeks before he gets his access cut. That does bring a good point up though, as much as the in game situations are more Mitchells fault, some people need to be grilled on preparation + player development. I'm assuming Triano works on the point gaurds; judging by Calderon's play and TJ's potential + his work with Nash i'll assume his job is safe (plus he's Italian). For whoever is teaching our bigs though i'd be weary ... there's not one guy we've developed internally who can rotate on defense.
after reading your replies, it suddenly hit me. does mitchell himself think he's a good coach? if he does, i don't think he would be buffeted by colangelo's wishes, however, if he's wasn't confident in his abilities, he would do all he could to save his job. i believe mitchell is supremely confident in his abilities and assumes rightly or wrongly that he's a hot commodity. to that end, the nba is littered with the tombstones of confident head coaches (e.g. paul silas, larry brown, and maybe sam mitchell?)
Another thing that strikes me about this interview: Toronto media knows nothing about basketball. They dance around the real issues like they aren't even happening. There is no value added in reading practically everything put out. It took about 30 seconds of pointed questions for me to realize that. I don't even think the players, coaches, etc respect the Toronto media either. I mean, how many times has Mitchell come out and basically told the media they know nothing about basketball, saying that they'd never win a pulitzer. All those morons are about is a cute little quote to put in the paper.
<div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">after reading your replies, it suddenly hit me. does mitchell himself think he's a good coach? if he does, i don't think he would be buffeted by colangelo's wishes, however, if he's wasn't confident in his abilities, he would do all he could to save his job. i believe mitchell is supremely confident in his abilities and assumes rightly or wrongly that he's a hot commodity. to that end, the nba is littered with the tombstones of confident head coaches (e.g. paul silas, larry brown, and maybe sam mitchell?)</div> Are you joking? Larry brown and Paul silas could both get other head coaching jobs after being fired. I personally don't like Larry Brown but his credentials speak for themselves. If Sam dosen't make it here, he won't make it anywhere. I'd put Mitchell in the same class as Brendon Malone, Darrell Walker, Butch Carter, Kevin O'Neill....holy crap they are all ex-raptor head coaches =P....man we have employed some duds.
<div class="quote_poster">norespect Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Are you joking? Larry brown and Paul silas could both get other head coaching jobs after being fired. I personally don't like Larry Brown but his credentials speak for themselves. If Sam dosen't make it here, he won't make it anywhere. I'd put Mitchell in the same class as Brendon Malone, Darrell Walker, Butch Carter, Kevin O'Neill....holy crap they are all ex-raptor head coaches =P....man we have employed some duds.</div> Larry Brown would make Andrea Bargnani the next Human Victory Cigar. Which Colangelo obviously doesn't want.
<div class="quote_poster">AnimeFANatic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Larry Brown would make Andrea Bargnani the next Human Victory Cigar. Which Colangelo obviously doesn't want.</div> His dealings with Rookies has become overblown. If you were the head coach of the Pistons at the time of Darko, who would you sit? Prince or Wallace? Exactly....he was trying to win championships. Look at him in NY, he had no trouble playing Frye. I think everyone is blowing this out of proportion. The team is 2-8, would you be happy if you were the GM. He is just venting some areas of concern. Trust me, I think in his grand plan, Mitchell was never gonna be his long term head coach. He just gave him a chance.
yup, BC is just giving mitchell a chance. Sam aint in his long term plans. Just a way for BC to kill some time before he finds a new coach thats all. He spent the summer rebuilding the team, and now he's gonna concentrate on finding a better coach. Possible Candidate: Mike D'antoni's Assistant, forgot his name, but i like him. I promise y'all by the end of December, if this team still losing, MITCHELL WILL BE FIRED. and Yes, I SAID IT.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If you were the head coach of the Pistons at the time of Darko, who would you sit? Prince or Wallace?</div> He did it to the extreme though, it wasn't like he gave Darko minutes in games, he just hardly played him at all.
