<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Dunleavy drew five charges on the Suns, most of them on All-Stars Shawn Marion and Amare Stoudemire, in asserting himself on the defensive end. Twice, Dunleavy stepped in front of Marion on his way to the basket and was bulldozed by the Suns' forward. "It's big. It's pretty much being in the right position, knowing where you're supposed to be," Dunleavy said. "They put a circle out there and you got to get outside of the circle, and that's the rule. And if you do, and you know you're in position, and they hit you straight on, that should be a charge." It's a technical maneuver Dunleavy seems to have perfected. While the NBA doesn't keep official statistics on charges drawn, Dunleavy tied for fourth with 63 last year, according to the online site www.82games.com. Phoenix's Raja Bell (76) was first, followed by Chicago's Andres Nocioni (67), Milwaukee's Andrew Bogut (65) and Utah's Jarron Collins (63) and Dunleavy. Of course, Bell is also considered a flopper, which brings up the never-ending debate between being charged and flopping. Former NBA players Vlade Divac and Dennis Rodman were notorious for flailing and falling down whenever they were posted up. Modern-day floppers -- at least by reputation -- include Miami's Dwyane Wade and San Antonio's Manu Ginobili. "Do I flop? Not really. I'm getting hit every time," Dunleavy said. "To me, flopping is where you're not getting hit. I'm getting hit pretty hard in the pelvic bone and stuff like that. It's not easy on the body." </div> Source
Well, technically Dunleavy isn't flopping, but he's throwing in a little acting to sell it when there is contact. I mean if you get hit and don't act like it hurts, the refs may just call no call. Dunleavy is not really a physical guy anyway, so when he does get hit, people think he's soft because very rarely does he seem to get hit hard enough to flail or toss his head back or fall down. I like it when Dunleavy draws charges, but sometimes when it goes either way, it's kind of wussy way to play D. If he's drawing charges against out of control players with no decision making ability, then it's cool. But, I'd give the benefit of the doubt to guys who are in control of the ball and know how to change direction and Dunleavy steps in front and shuffles a bit.
Just like CR2 has in his picture, Dunleavy is a master of turtling himself up, lifting his arms and legs off the floor to reduce friction and sliding backwards as far as possible on a small part of his jersey. I think he even jumps backwards himself a bit where he can. I guess the ref must think "Wow, look, he got thrown 15 feet down the floor, that must be a foul". Yeah, he's a flopper. I'm sure sometimes he is getting hit hard legitimately, but a lot of the time it's pretty ridiculous.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm getting hit pretty hard in the pelvic bone and stuff like that. It's not easy on the body</div> Something about this just sounds odd. Anyway, in some respects this game has gone to crap -- what has happened to defense that even the refs reward a player for playing poor defense by trying to undercut someone for the charge. That's not basketball. When a guy goes to the hoop and someone scoots underneath him at the last second because the other defender just got shaken out of his shoes -- that's a disgrace to everyone who's ever played this game the right way IMHO
<div class="quote_poster">HiRez Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Just like CR2 has in his picture, Dunleavy is a master of turtling himself up, lifting his arms and legs off the floor to reduce friction and sliding backwards as far as possible on a small part of his jersey. I think he even jumps backwards himself a bit where he can. I guess the ref must think "Wow, look, he got thrown 15 feet down the floor, that must be a foul". Yeah, he's a flopper. I'm sure sometimes he is getting hit hard legitimately, but a lot of the time it's pretty ridiculous.</div> Yeah, like HiRez said. Dun is trying to sell the contact a lot more than it is. But to him, it may still hurt. Other players would just play the game and avoid looking like a soft wussy. But the other night and other games I've seen, there is nothing soft about some of those charges Dun takes though... Sometimes, he gets bulldozed by guys way stronger than him. Now if Devin Harris type body floors over Dunleavy, then we know he's a wussy, but Dunleavy can easily floor Devin Harris on a hard pick or stepping out in front. It's simple mass x velocity and the lighter guy even on the move will most likely bounce off Dunleavy unless Dunleavy is faking it or gets hit low or in the ribs.
I think it depends, like CR2 said, about who has the ball. It kills me when he tries to draw a charge against a smaller player. If you're in position and go straight up, you still have position, so try to block the shot. Unfortunately, the refs in the NBA call that against the defender 99% of the time.
I don't mind him taking charges, but sometimes he just needs to play some real D. He'll flop against Nate Robinson given the chance.
I think once at half-time Dunleavy was heading to the locker room and, out of instinct, tried to take a flop on a Warrior girl
<div class="quote_poster">CohanHater Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I think it depends, like CR2 said, about who has the ball. It kills me when he tries to draw a charge against a smaller player. If you're in position and go straight up, you still have position, so try to block the shot. Unfortunately, the refs in the NBA call that against the defender 99% of the time.</div> Yeah, I think Dunleavy is just trying to play %'s. He's better blocking shots from behind than he is going straight up. Dunleavy ain't exactly quick off his feet like Andrei Kirilenko or that hs guy that used to be on the Twolves (Ndudi Ebi?), and Portland's Travis Outlaw. So I figure anything Dunleavy can give us to stop a quicker player is nice. It's better than what Murphy does... (he gets out of the way and lets the guards or Foyle handle it while he camps for defensive rebounds)
