<div class="quote_poster">norespect Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Are you serious? So you would rather have Dwight plus crapo darko battling it out for the playoffs for the next 12 years....or become legit contenders right away with KG for a guy that hasen't proven anything? KG ain't exactly a grandfather.....he's 30.</div> You know, I am so unbelievably tired of people coming in here, trying to rain on our parade, when they might watch 3 Magic games in a season. Darko was picked above Wade and Carmelo for a reason. The boy is 21 years old, and for all intents and purposes, this is his rookie season. He has shown flashes of greatness and has helped us to a few wins recently. He could easily be top 5 in blocks. He can do anything else. He's a good passer, sees the floor like a point guard, and can post up or hit a three. If we got KG, we would be threatening our chemistry. If Grant Hill can keep playing, and he has shown no signs of slowing down, then he will be an integral part of our team for dirt cheap. The reason we are doing so well right now is depth. Everybody contributes. I've seen a few games this season where every Magic player on the floor scores at least one point and one assist. Bottom line: Darko hasn't scratched the surface of his potential, whereas KG is a perpetual underachiever who will be declining in skill in 2-3 years. We're trading in 4-5 years for what could be 15. I'm not saying KG would be detrimental, quite the opposite, he could be amazing for us, but if it isn't broke, don't fix it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> whereas KG is a perpetual underachiever </div> I wouldn't say KG "underachieved", since he's done so much for NBA basketball by changing the perception of how the game is played from the power foward position and also paving the way for other high-schoolers (whether they were successful or not does not really matter, the fact that a person can change how teams look at drafting prospects was altered by how great of a success that Garnett was). If anything, I'd blame Garnett's loyalty to the franchise and piss-poor management.
<div class="quote_poster">Chuck Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Wouldn't they have the right to match any offer he got, as well as bird rights, though? It'd be the same thing, if there aren't any stipulations where these rights are lost in the trade. That way, they would have the certain ability to keep Darko, but they could get rid of him if they felt his price was too high. To me it seems not extending Darko would give the T-Wolves more leverage, and another option, say, if they just want just salary cap relief. Let me know if I'm wrong please </div> There's a stipulation with the Bird Right's ... <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The only rule is that the player can't have been waived or changed teams as a free agent for three seasons. </div> So from my understanding, Darko's Bird Right's would not carry over if he is traded again because this is only his second season with Orlando, and you need to be with your new team for a minimum of 3 seasons. KG did change the game, he's one of the first new breed PFs the league was introduced to. Before KG, all 7 footers were used exclusively at Center, but KG is a freak of nature and had the ability to play all 5 positions on the court.
Thanks, I knew there was some stipulation about Bird rights. I don't think KG changed the game at all. Who has he influenced? ('Sides Bosh). I know Dwight looks up to him as his idle, but Dwight doesn't play at all like him. Magic Johnson started at center for Kareem-- he could play all 5 positions-- the difference between him and KG is what? KG is 2 inches taller and lankier. I just think to credit KG with something like that is to insult the true innovators. How is it that KG can change "the game" but can't change his team? Charles Barkley was really short and played power forward, and this is a rare thing. One of the greatest players ever. KG has a weird skill set and build for his position too but I don't think Charles Barkley changed the game either, unless you count the "Charles Barkley" 5-second-back-to-the-basket rule. If anybody "changed the game" in the manner in which you are saying KG did, it was Hakeem, David Robinson.
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">There's a stipulation with the Bird Right's ... The only rule is that the player can't have been waived or changed teams as a free agent for three seasons. So from my understanding, Darko's Bird Right's would not carry over if he is traded again because this is only his second season with Orlando, and you need to be with your new team for a minimum of 3 seasons. KG did change the game, he's one of the first new breed PFs the league was introduced to. Before KG, all 7 footers were used exclusively at Center, but KG is a freak of nature and had the ability to play all 5 positions on the court.</div> It says he can't change teams as a free agent -- for three seasons. If Darko were traded again, he wouldn't have changed teams as a free agent, but as a player under contract. So it seems that the team would still be able to use the Bird rights.
The reason Darko got picked before Melo and Wade was because Detroit didn't wanna give up on Tayshaun and get Melo and they didn't need Wade either. They needed a big man with a good shooting range. They pretty much only had Rasheed but he jacked up too many 3s. They kinda wanted an all-around player who was a big man. Anyways, on this topic now, I would DEFINITELY do this trade. I mean KG has a good 3 yrs left and the next couple afterwards can still help us out. We are only giving up possibly Grant Hill's expiring contract, Darko, a 1st rounder and possibly Dooling for Hassell and KG. Trenton is a good defender so that works out. We replace Dooling with a taller version. As for Darko. Yeah we definitely get an upgrade here. PG-Nelson SG-Redick SF-Turkoglu PF-KG C-Dwight Can you possibly turn that down? I didn't think so. Besides, we can possibly go after either R.Lewis or VC after the season anyways.
<div class="quote_poster">CLos Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The reason Darko got picked before Melo and Wade was because Detroit didn't wanna give up on Tayshaun and get Melo and they didn't need Wade either. They needed a big man with a good shooting range. They pretty much only had Rasheed but he jacked up too many 3s. They kinda wanted an all-around player who was a big man. Anyways, on this topic now, I would DEFINITELY do this trade. I mean KG has a good 3 yrs left and the next couple afterwards can still help us out. We are only giving up possibly Grant Hill's expiring contract, Darko, a 1st rounder and possibly Dooling for Hassell and KG. Trenton is a good defender so that works out. We replace Dooling with a taller version. As for Darko. Yeah we definitely get an upgrade here. PG-Nelson SG-Redick SF-Turkoglu PF-KG C-Dwight Can you possibly turn that down? I didn't think so. Besides, we can possibly go after either R.Lewis or VC after the season anyways.</div> A couple of things. First, They did the trade to get Sheed AFTER they drafted Darko. Second, Hassell/Ariza would definetely start over Redick. That would be horrible defense in 1-2-3 spots. And lastly, by doing this deal we forfeit our entire cash space for this summer, so we can't go after Rashard Lewis or Vince Carter. I'll play a little devil's advocate here....I still think Darko will be a hell of a player and if we get rid of him we would certainly regret it in the future(like we always do). Dwight and Darko really like playing together so why waste a pair of 20 year old twin towers. Also KG has a player option for next season, so if we do this trade, HE HAS to have already agreed to his player option and sign an extension. We can't lose Darko if KG doesn't agree to that and with the way that he says he wants to play for Minnesota, I"m not sure if he would want to stay in Orlando.
<div class="quote_poster">Chuck Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Thanks, I knew there was some stipulation about Bird rights. I don't think KG changed the game at all. Who has he influenced? ('Sides Bosh). I know Dwight looks up to him as his idle, but Dwight doesn't play at all like him. Magic Johnson started at center for Kareem-- he could play all 5 positions-- the difference between him and KG is what? KG is 2 inches taller and lankier. I just think to credit KG with something like that is to insult the true innovators. How is it that KG can change "the game" but can't change his team? Charles Barkley was really short and played power forward, and this is a rare thing. One of the greatest players ever. KG has a weird skill set and build for his position too but I don't think Charles Barkley changed the game either, unless you count the "Charles Barkley" 5-second-back-to-the-basket rule. If anybody "changed the game" in the manner in which you are saying KG did, it was Hakeem, David Robinson.</div> Magic Johnson could play all 5 positions, but he was never the defensive player KG is. Unfortunately, KG plays in the West, and is surrounded by incompetent people running the Minnesota organization. The one time he had some talent around him, the TWolves went to the WCF. Hakeem is a close comparison, but KG plays like a guard when he's on the court to go along with a solid post game. Just look at the type of players who played PF before and after KG came into the league. You'll see the a lot more athletes playing the PF position now, and IMO it's attributed to KG.
<div class="quote_poster">CLos Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">KG has played and started all 5 positions before.</div> Has he started at PG before? I knew he played it for a couple of minutes before, but I didn't realize that he started there.
<div class="quote_poster">GatorsowntheNCAA Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Has he started at PG before? I knew he played it for a couple of minutes before, but I didn't realize that he started there.</div> No, of course not. When he runs the floor, he is playing "point forward"
No, I actually think he has started at PG before. I know he's definitely for sure started at SF, PF, and C. I'm not sure when he started at SG but I know he's actually started at Point before. He's definitely played all 5 positions though.
actually if you revisit the 2003 all star game, or 02, not sure you will see that the west coach had KG at point, dirk at the 2, tim duncan at 2, shaq at the 4 and yao at the 5...i think that kg has point guard abilities and that's not necessarily a good thing going towards the t'wolves, cause it shows how bad they have actually been, that they've had to rely on the 7 footer to play, or even just practice on his ball handling skills...i mean everyone has to practice them at one point in their career, but to do it on a consistant basis in practice everyday, i think that speaks volumes (low) of the timberwolves depth at the 1
Well, the T-Wolves have depth: Hudson, Jaric, Mike James. They just aren't good PGs. Besides, it's kinda good having a good ballhandling big man. I mean he can drive easier and also be able to shoot a better jumper.
With the way we are playing right now, I wouldn't want to make any roster changes. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. How many times has that been said in the forum this season? It has to be our team motto so far.
<div class="quote_poster">Swish15 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">With the way we are playing right now, I wouldn't want to make any roster changes. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. How many times has that been said in the forum this season? It has to be our team motto so far. </div> Hahahahaha. So true.
I'll trade you Aaron Mckie for D12. D12 is my favorite center right now. Personally, I'd take him over Yao Ming. Maybe Orlando will make the same mistake they made with shaq.. *Crosses Fingers* I would not trade for KG at this point. I really like the magic team you guys have now. I was a huge fan back when Anderson/Scott/Oneal/Penny/Grant were the starting lineup. Since KG will become a free agent soon. He'll probrably resign with a contender. Wait it out.
