lol, that's true actually. He was high on Fred Jones in the preseason, too. And ripped Bargnani for a while. Bosh does deserve to take some heat, though. Not that much, but he's being glorified by Chuck & the gang when there are some aspects of his game that he really needs to address. Who here would've liked him to focus on defense this summer, instead of developing a 3 pt. shot?
<div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">trust me i know dampiers game, i used to think he was the greatest centre in the league. in reality he's just a good help defender; one on one he has no lateral quicks which in my opinion makes him one of the worst defenders in the league, plus, he's stupid so he doesn't understand angles. bosh is forcing it</div> I wouldn't say Dampier is very quick, nor does he jump above average. Diop is a better shot block, can jump higher, and is faster. One thing about Damp though is he has a lot of mass, its harder to push him away, and his body is just a wide frame so he just takes up more space. Sometimes Damp is effective, and is hard to box him out once he establishes position, as well its hard to give that nudge to get some room to get the shot up. Other times Damp kind of becomes passive, and loses any value as an offensive presence. Oh, The Mavs were hot behind the 3 pt line, and the Raps weren't great on either end during most of the 3rd and 4th.
<div class="quote_poster">norespect Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Whats with Deception unjustly rippin on Bosh....First it was Parker, now CB4...flavour of the month?</div> unjustly? whats unjust is that he gets double teamed and he doesn't kick it out. i think he wants to but his bball iq and passing ability are limited. to that end, can u explain why the euro raps (i.e. the second unit) have been consistently outplaying the first unit for the last week? the franchise guy should be willing to take the heat
<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">lol, that's true actually. He was high on Fred Jones in the preseason, too. And ripped Bargnani for a while. Bosh does deserve to take some heat, though. Not that much, but he's being glorified by Chuck & the gang when there are some aspects of his game that he really needs to address. Who here would've liked him to focus on defense this summer, instead of developing a 3 pt. shot?</div> freddy was the best rap in preseason honestly, im not high on him anymore, bargnani deserved to be ripped and now he doesn't. and ive ripped mitchell for the last 3 years since the vince and rafer days, while the rest of u posters thought he was the return of red auerbach (sp.) for the longest time
<div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">freddy was the best rap in preseason honestly, im not high on him anymore, bargnani deserved to be ripped and now he doesn't. and ive ripped mitchell for the last 3 years since the vince and rafer days, while the rest of u posters thought he was the return of red auerbach (sp.) for the longest time</div> I just think you need to find a happy median. You've gone to both extremes with Garbajosa, Joey Graham (I have too, so I can let this one pass), Bosh, Fred Jones, Bargnani, etc. None of those players have been as good or bad as you've said (Uros Slokar is exempt, of course). Now you're ripping Bosh for a huge flaw in the coaching strategy. Is it his fault that Mitchell's offensive set lives and dies by Bosh's iso's? You're comparing him to the Euro's but that's hardly fair, because the European players are basically ignoring Sam Mitchell when they get on the floor. They're reverting to what they're used to (motion, ball movement, etc.), instead of having everyone camping on the perimeter and waiting for the point guard to drive and kick. I think this is pretty noticeable, when you compare how the European players play when they're on the floor by themselves with the Americans and when they got 2 or 3 other Euro's on the floor with them.
<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I just think you need to find a happy median. You've gone to both extremes with Garbajosa, Joey Graham (I have too, so I can let this one pass), Bosh, Fred Jones, Bargnani, etc. None of those players have been as good or bad as you've said (Uros Slokar is exempt, of course). Now you're ripping Bosh for a huge flaw in the coaching strategy. Is it his fault that Mitchell's offensive set lives and dies by Bosh's iso's? You're comparing him to the Euro's but that's hardly fair, because the European players are basically ignoring Sam Mitchell when they get on the floor. They're reverting to what they're used to (motion, ball movement, etc.), instead of having everyone camping on the perimeter and waiting for the point guard to drive and kick. I think this is pretty noticeable, when you compare how the European players play when they're on the floor by themselves with the Americans and when they got 2 or 3 other Euro's on the floor with them.</div> interesting point about the euro's and the first unit, although, i think i have proof that your wrong. i believe it was late in the first quarter when bosh played with the euros and they still ran iso's for bosh; thats when a couple of us were bitchin about bargnani not getting any touches. that sequence alone discredits your assumption that the euro's are ignoring mitchell. but i do agree- its mitchell but i think bosh is demanding the ball to the determent of the team offense.
<div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">interesting point about the euro's and the first unit, although, i think i have proof that your wrong. i believe it was late in the first quarter when bosh played with the euros and they still ran iso's for bosh; thats when a couple of us were bitchin about bargnani not getting any touches. that sequence alone discredits your assumption that the euro's are ignoring mitchell. but i do agree- its mitchell but i think bosh is demanding the ball to the determent of the team offense.</div> I forgot to mention that as well. If Bosh is on the floor, the Euro's still follow Mitchell's gameplan. I suppose its some sort of an understanding that Bosh is the franchise player, so they aren't willing to force him to adjust to their own style. I picked this up watching Calderon, actually. I assumed that he was a sparkplug coming off the bench in any situation, but at one point he came on the floor with Ford, Bosh, Parker, and Jones and played almost exactly like TJ Ford. You could see that he wanted to improvise more and run a less predictable offense, but the other players were committed to Mitchell's system (probably, because they lack the creativity/IQ of the Euro's). It just proves my theory that Calderon is a better head coach than Sam Mitchell. Bosh still deserves some criticism. I'm not saying he's perfect or anything. He's passive/lazy on defense and, despite his improved rebounding, he doesn't always box out. On offense though, it seems to be all Mitchell. I really don't think Chris wanted the ball forced into him when he was playing with a bad knee, but it happened anyways.
<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I forgot to mention that as well. If Bosh is on the floor, the Euro's still follow Mitchell's gameplan. I suppose its some sort of an understanding that Bosh is the franchise player, so they aren't willing to force him to adjust to their own style. I picked this up watching Calderon, actually. I assumed that he was a sparkplug coming off the bench in any situation, but at one point he came on the floor with Ford, Bosh, Parker, and Jones and played almost exactly like TJ Ford. You could see that he wanted to improvise more and run a less predictable offense, but the other players were committed to Mitchell's system (probably, because they lack the creativity/IQ of the Euro's). It just proves my theory that Calderon is a better head coach than Sam Mitchell. Bosh still deserves some criticism. I'm not saying he's perfect or anything. He's passive/lazy on defense and, despite his improved rebounding, he doesn't always box out. On offense though, it seems to be all Mitchell. I really don't think Chris wanted the ball forced into him when he was playing with a bad knee, but it happened anyways.</div> ton of assumptions especially as it relates bosh and mitchell.
Of course I am assuming things. But, it's no different than you assuming that Bosh is demanding the ball to the detriment of the offense.
<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Of course I am assuming things. But, it's no different than you assuming that Bosh is demanding the ball to the detriment of the offense.</div> o.k. valid point but i believe its an intelligent guess. bosh yelling at teammates- last night i specifically remember him imploring garbosa to clear out to give him space for an iso; there was a sequence a couple of games ago where the audio picked up him saying "give me the ball" to tj. and lets assume your correct, lets assume mitchell demands iso's for bosh; do u think mitchell wants him to force it as well when he's doubled and their open teammates on the floor?
<div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">o.k. valid point but i believe its an intelligent guess. bosh yelling at teammates- last night i specifically remember him imploring garbosa to clear out to give him space for an iso; there was a sequence a couple of games ago where the audio picked up him saying "give me the ball" to tj. and lets assume your correct, lets assume mitchell demands iso's for bosh; do u think mitchell wants him to force it as well when he's doubled and their open teammates on the floor?</div> We've both got a few points to base our assumptions on. I think the way they pounded the ball into a clearly hobbled Bosh in Atlanta and Indiana had Mitchell written all over it. I also think he does the same thing with our point guards. TJ Ford and Jose Calderon (when he's forced to) dribble the ball way too much in our halfcourt sets, because nobody else moves. On the question: Bosh does have to do a better job of recognizing when to throw ball back to the guards. The only problem is that do you ever see open guards when Bosh has the ball? Mitchell's offense has the guards standing around the perimeter and when the defence collapses on Bosh, there's rarely another player that moves without the ball to take advantage of it. If there is an open player, what are the chances that he hits an open 3 these days (30 something %?).
Who cares what Mitchell thinks he's garbage and we have to fire him. The only reason I watch right now is to see the development of Bargnani and Graham which is suprisingly coming along nicely. Other than that, this is just straight ugly to watch.
i detest smitch as much as anybody but u can't blame everything on mitchell. as to your point- i think the players need to be spotted up in the perimeter to give bosh as much space as possible to work, it doesn't matter that they can't shot. more broadly- what separates bosh from the great bigs of his generation (duncan, garnett, yao, shaq) is bosh's inability to pass, while the four i mentioned can and willingly at that.
<div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">i detest smitch as much as anybody but u can't blame everything on mitchell. as to your point- i think the players need to be spotted up in the perimeter to give bosh as much space as possible to work, it doesn't matter that they can't shot. more broadly- what separates bosh from the great bigs of his generation (duncan, garnett, yao, shaq) is bosh's inability to pass, while the four i mentioned can and willingly at that.</div> Bosh's problem with double teams was more of a concern in the beginning of his third year. I don't think he passes out enough, but he's not one of those players that needs the ball to be effective. On the point of the players spotting up at the 3 pt. line: I agree with that, but there needs to be more motion off the ball when the defense collapses on Bosh. The way our players just stand around and watch makes it ridiculously easy for the opponent to gamble on the double team, while still getting back to contest any shots. Not trying to blame everything on Sam, but I do believe that we can only place so much accountability on the players with our current system. It's got glaring weaknesses that I doubt any roster could solve.
maybe all our problems would be solved if we inserted uros slokar into the starting lineup and rested bosh for a few games. slokar is the greatest passing big from slovenia; im confident that would solve our ball movement problem on offense
<div class="quote_poster">Mr.Wade Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Who cares what Mitchell thinks he's garbage and we have to fire him. The only reason I watch right now is to see the development of Bargnani and Graham which is suprisingly coming along nicely. Other than that, this is just straight ugly to watch.</div> I have to agree. I've kind of given up on winning as long as Sam Mitchell runs this crap we call a team. I watch now to see Bargnani and others develop. Watching Calderon this year has been amazing too (IMO he's the only true leader on this team). Totally agree that euro raps have been outplaying the regular guys + JG who has fit in nicely with the 2nd unit. Lol at the Euro's not listening to the coaching staff ahaha ... so true. I'm really back and forth on Chris Bosh right now. I wouldn't go as far as Butch Carter calling CB4 a "fake all-star" but i have serious questions about a guy who has no desire to play defense being our franchise player. All the "leadership" and yelling at teammates he's doing lately does not impress me either. Offensively, I think you have to give Mitchell some of the Blame and his injuries are nagging him a bit lately. I think his shot selection generally has been poor as of late and he's not getting the type of looks we should be giving him in our offense. Plus, he's trying to force his game on nights when he clearly doesn't have it. The pass out of the double team thing, I still see as a bit of an issue because that's where we should be able to get some easy baskets if he could find the open man. Between all that i have some serious problems building a team around this guy. Another big problem i have is TJ Ford, although i feel that Mitchell is making this guy look much worse than he probably is. His on court decisions are terrible and his mentality and B-ball IQ are in the toilet. I have yet to come out and say TJ for CV3 was a terrible deal but I'm getting pretty close, here's why: 1) Charlie provides rebounds were missing that this year 2) He's a pretty good threat from beyond the arc that can stretch the defense. 3) He can pass much better than most bigs and would work well in a euro style system with a lot of ball movement. 4) We keep CV31 on his rookie contract for 2 more years ... we went to cap hell again for TJ Ford, it just doesn't add up to me. On the downside he's a complete defensive liability but judging by our coaching staff's record on defensive play i'd think we could get at least slightly better defense out of a new coach. I think it's fair to say he still has room to become a better defender as he was just a rookie last year. I still think TJ has the potential to be a great player, but i have a few questions about his play and don't think he will ever succeed under Sam Mitchell.
looks like a flipped imagine they have the exact same pose, one is white the other is black, on is wearing white socks white shoes the other is wearing black socks black shoes, one has long blond hair the other has short black hair, one plays north the other plays south could this be a sign?!!!!!!
