So I'm flipping through the channels between commercials during the MSU/BC game and I land on the latest video from Nas. I was... well, shocked and pissed off... couldn't bring myself to change the channel back to the game until the song was over. What's the idea with ripping off Iron Butterfly? The majority of rappers don't sing, they don't play music; they just write the most mind-numbing, often nonsensical, randomly connected sentences. The least they can do before marketing this crap to the public as 'music' is writing an original beat (or getting whoever their 'beatmaker' is to write an original one). What an absolute fucking joke... Erik Brann must be spinning in his grave right now.
You talking about the beat? Yeah its sampled, he sampled it before to, in Thiefs Theme. Its Music, at least Nas isn't making bull sh!t.
<div class="quote_poster">Air Fresh Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">You talking about the beat? Yeah its sampled, he sampled it before to, in Thiefs Theme. Its Music, at least Nas isn't making bull sh!t.</div> Of course I'm talking about the beat. That's why 99.9% of the listeners buy this crap... Rap sampling = A disrespectful act towards real musicians
<div class="quote_poster">thedude9990 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">is it that hiphop deads song? if so that songs not good at all</div> Yes, it is, and the song he ripped off was Iron Butterfly's "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida."
I had not yet heard this latest perversion of good music. I do find it consistently hilarious that rappers steal other people's music all the time, and no one seems to mind at all. I hope that some day in the future, rappers just start copying old rap songs. For instance some day a rapper will write some new lyrics and rap them over the beat of Changes or some other rap classic. I would love to hear the reaction from rap fans then. It's disgusting how many rap songs are nothing more than lyrical vomit sprayed over a classic rock riff, and it's even worse that very few people find that objectionable. But I guess when you're only in it to make money...
<div class="quote_poster">Voodoo Child Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Of course I'm talking about the beat. That's why 99.9% of the listeners buy this crap... Rap sampling = A disrespectful act towards real musicians</div> Beats are not why 99.9% of people buy hip hop. Don't produces have to get permession from the original musicians before they use the beat? You can thank your favorite musicians for letting them do it. This song is a bad example, but Kanye samples beats very damn well even though he overdoes it. If it is done right, it can turn out nice. In this case in doesn't even sound mixed, which makes it sound bad and unoriginal.
<div class="quote_poster">Air Fresh Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Beats are not why 99.9% of people buy hip hop. Don't produces have to get permession from the original musicians before they use the beat? You can thank your favorite musicians for letting them do it. This song is a bad example, but Kanye samples beats very damn well even though he overdoes it.</div> Quite often, one or more members of an old band are dead or broken up and don't know about a sample before it's already packaged and on the radio. VC explained this answer much better than I did, though, so refer to his post rather than this one
sampling - yeah, it's not the best. Kind of like when Hollywood does a remake of a movie. Can't these cats just make up their own original stuff?
<div class="quote_poster">phunDamentalz Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">sampling - yeah, it's not the best. Kind of like when Hollywood does a remake of a movie. Can't these cats just make up their own original stuff?</div> That's lame too! I haven't seen a good remake of a film in awhile, can we start a JBB petition to have them stop doing that crap, too?
<div class="quote_poster">Air Fresh Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Beats are not why 99.9% of people buy hip hop. Don't produces have to get permession from the original musicians before they use the beat? You can thank your favorite musicians for letting them do it. This song is a bad example, but Kanye samples beats very damn well even though he overdoes it.</div> 99.9% is obviously an exaggeration, not an exact figure, but the majority do, indeed, buy the records for the beats. Most are, in fact, suburban white kids ages 8-16 who are completely drawn in soley by the beats. That's why guys like Mos Def never top the charts, yet guys like Lil' John do. Permission is usually required if you sample three or more notes, but it's an gray area legally and can be argued either way in the courts, if it's ever pursued. And given how the guy who wrote the riff is dead, I'm not really sure if I want to be thanking him for giving his seal of approval. If any approval was given, it was his managers who did the dirty work. As for Kanye West, he bastardizes music in general, not just sampling in particular, but just music. He's a disgrace to the very concept of sound, the pretentious, loudmouth, messageless, dolt he is. But that's another topic for another day...
Kanye does it nice, like on Late Registration with Jon Brion, becuase he mixes it up with his own stlye at the same time. In this case it basically sounds like Will I am just jacked the beat. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">He's a disgrace to the very concept of sound, the pretentious, loudmouth, messageless, dolt he is.</div> You OD'in there. He got arrogant after success, but dude is still nice.
<div class="quote_poster">Air Fresh Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Kanye does it nice, like on Late Registration with Jon Brion, becuase he mixes it up with his own stlye at the same time. In this case it basically sounds like Will I am just jacked the beat.</div> I've already given my opinion on Kanye, but as far as beatmakers sampling in general... I can stomach it if it's not so blatant of a rip-off as this one is, or that Lil' John "Crazy Train" sample or the P.Diddy "Kashmir" sample... but more often the not they're not that creative.
P Diddy ripping Kashmir is still the greatest tragedy in the history of music, IMO, and I will never and have never listened to his music since the day I heard that perversion.
P.Diddy made money off Mo Money Mo Problems, Been Around The World, Missing You and the song sampling Kashmir (don't know the name). Jesus Christ he's the most unoriginal producer I've ever heard. Kanye also samples a lot, but his samples aren't as well known. Diddy just samples popular songs that are known as classics, which is bound to people hate rap even more. By the way, what's the name of the track Diddy created that's ripping off the Kashmir beat? If someone samples Stairway To Heaven, all well will break lose
A lot of rap fans don't listen to classical rock, and vice versa, thats why producers can get away with it. Kanye also samples a lot of R&B ish instead of rock.
It's funny that you mentioned that Lil Jon song. The entire time I was reading this thread, I was thinking about how people always hear the beginning of "Crazy Train" and think Lil Jon's playing. I completely agree with you. Sampling can be done tastefully and respectfully (eg: Eminem's "Stan", a lot of the beats that Eric B. created, etc.), but it's overdone in mainstream hip hop and its a shame that untalented producers and rappers can play on people's ignorance. I've always wished that P. Diddy would get eaten alive by the zombies of all the dead artists he's ripped off. I hate that man.
<div class="quote_poster">Voodoo Child Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">So I'm flipping through the channels between commercials during the MSU/BC game and I land on the latest video from Nas. I was... well, shocked and pissed off... couldn't bring myself to change the channel back to the game until the song was over. What's the idea with ripping off Iron Butterfly? The majority of rappers don't sing, they don't play music; they just write the most mind-numbing, often nonsensical, randomly connected sentences. The least they can do before marketing this crap to the public as 'music' is writing an original beat (or getting whoever their 'beatmaker' is to write an original one). What an absolute fucking joke... Erik Brann must be spinning in his grave right now.</div> I find it incredibly ironic you're criticizing Rap / Hip-Hop for being mind-numbing, often nonsensical, randomly connected sentences, when you have a Red Hot Chilli Peppers logo in your avatar.
the whole rap X rock thing is either a hit or miss an example of a hit: Jay Z featuring Chris Martin from Coldplay- Beachchair. Cool song with an interesting point to it.
