Yeah, Arenas is also known for his quickness, but he had the same problem before. Number of times in later 4th quarter, no matter the other teams set up a wall or not, Arenas went full speed, committed offense fouls and cause the team to lose. But, the good news is that Arenas does seem to correct the problem quite a bit, and I hope Ellis can do the same in near future...
<div class="quote_poster">AlleyOop Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The thing about it that I find interesting is this: Monta Ellis is considerably faster than Tony Parker, and yet Parker is more elusive. Because Parker is such a master dribbler, he can dice up the lane and get anywhere he wants at will. Speed is always relevant to the control of a given movement. It's like the saying "move fast but never rush." Monta Ellis is so damn lightning quick, but he still isn't a polished enough dribbler to completely control his movements. Tony Parker, Steve Nash and Chris Paul are three prefect examples of this. They are all fast, sure. But what makes them truly elusive is their control of the ball. Nash can go at half-speed and still dice through the lane, dribble circles around a forward, cut back out, dart back into the lane, fake a shot and dump off a pass to Diaw for a dunk, all the while looking effortless and relaxed. Paul can go anywhere he wants, anytime he wants, and yet he's never in a hurry. he looks like he's in slow motion sometimes and yet still leaves a point guard sitting on his ass out at the top of the key. This is true quickness. It comes natural to a select few. To move like the wind and yet never be in a hurry. Pietrus, the last few years, has been the antithesis. He is super fast, and yet he could only go at one speed, FULL SPEED, and he would bowl over people for charges because he hadn't learned to control his body and use just enough gas to get where he's going. So, my point is to identify the contrast between Parker and Monta: Monta is quicker, and yet Parker is harder to guard. His dribbling (like Nash and Paul) is extraordinary. Monta is a very good dribbler, but he's not there yet. He's not a master passer yet, either (like Nash). Nash is impossible to keep up with because not only can he dribble like a Harlem Globe-Trotter, but he can pass like one too, and his absolute lethal threat of passing at any moment of the game is what frees him up to score like he does. Have you ever seen another short, unexlposive leaper PG score in the paint like Nash? He's very crafty and uses his threat of passing to force defenders away from his shot. Once Monta can learn to change speeds, control the dribble in the lane, take his time, and threaten the pass like the true point guards Nash, Parker and Paul, then he could be a superstar.</div> Great points, Alley Oop. In the end, it's really a combo about how explosive somebody can be, all while doing it fluidly, under control, and having a broad vision of the situation on the floor to think two steps ahead. A guy like Ellis or Pietrus are extremely quick, but there needs to be better decision-making, experience level, and offensive awareness because there are other players besides the guy guarding them that can stop them if they don't "think" ahead (by this I mean natural basketball instinct where their response/reaction is their "thinking"). The other players that try hard on defense are also quick too, so quickness can't do much if our player has nowhere to go but to terminate dribble pass or shoot or bring it back out. If he doesn't know how to find other players that are open or nail the shot off the dribble with ease, then it defeats the whole gift of being quick. It's the same thing with being tall. If one can't shoot over the shorter dude, what's the point? I think what makes the quick starting point guards in the nba so hard to guard is that they can shoot. Claxton was excellent for us but his passing/shooting ability was that of a backup's or marginal starting player (no interior pass vision and short shooting range/funky mechanics). And for his impact to be felt, he just needed to be healthy for once. I think Ellis does deserve credit for avoiding two close call turnovers where he was passed to and immediately double team pressured on the baseline or sideline. He either found a way to get the foul call by dribbling out and beating a defender to the spot, or he kept the dribble alive enough to dive on the ball and then pass to somebody else. I think there were two moments like that where I thought the rook was going to turn it over.
<div class="quote_poster">Kwan1031 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, Arenas is also known for his quickness, but he had the same problem before. Number of times in later 4th quarter, no matter the other teams set up a wall or not, Arenas went full speed, committed offense fouls and cause the team to lose. But, the good news is that Arenas does seem to correct the problem quite a bit, and I hope Ellis can do the same in near future...</div> I remember that. I didn't like that or the early shots (a la Derek Fisher and that Utah Jazz guy we received for Derek Fisher).
The move Mullin would always pull in his playing days was to slow to half speed, then sped up mid dribble. Helped him blow by guys even though he couldn't outrun Robert Traylor. As far as Ellis vs. Parker, I'd take Ellis. He has a better outside shot, is younger, bigger, faster, and I think the dribbling will come. Ellis is probably still used to his high school days when he was the best ballhandler on the court at any given time. During and after this year, the handling will pick up. In Ellis' case, I think he's a great handler who's struggling, as opposed to a guy like J-Rich, who I think is doomed to a career of below average to poor handling because he just ain't that good at it.
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Source</div> I liked that pie in the face Ellis got by Davis on the Jim Rome show.
<div class="quote_poster">Montaman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The move Mullin would always pull in his playing days was to slow to half speed, then sped up mid dribble. Helped him blow by guys even though he couldn't outrun Robert Traylor. </div> You mean "a trailer"? <div class="quote_poster">Montaman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> As far as Ellis vs. Parker, I'd take Ellis. He has a better outside shot, is younger, bigger, faster, and I think the dribbling will come. Ellis is probably still used to his high school days when he was the best ballhandler on the court at any given time. During and after this year, the handling will pick up. In Ellis' case, I think he's a great handler who's struggling, as opposed to a guy like J-Rich, who I think is doomed to a career of below average to poor handling because he just ain't that good at it.</div> Hard to say now for my decision. There is a lot of hype right now and it all depends on Ellis' growth, how the team develops him, and other factors. But man I totally agree that he would be the better overall player in years to come if he grows in the way I think he will. Take away Duncan and Ginobilli, and I think Parker will have his hands full with Ellis.
