<div class="quote_poster">SkiptoMyLue11 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Rock4Life would you want Jalen Rose and Chris Webber for Battier and Hayes if the salaries matched up?</div> I'd think about it. But Battier is ALOT more important to this team than i imagined. If we can get another 3rd option, I think Battier's looks get better.
^ Oh hell no. Webber has been so incosistent and got so sorry this year, and Jalen Rose hasn't proved much this year or maybe doesnt have anything to prove at all this year. Battier is one of the best defenders in the league and Hayes is such a good post defender. Hell no. I would never do that trade.
<div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I don't know if 40 is completley accurate. But if that was the case, why would JVG even bother activating him just to throw him back on the shelf? That's idiotic logic. Now u guys are talking about getting Earl Waston I guess the ANTI-SCORING movememt continues on justbball.</div>It might not be accurate, but it's not horribly off. Bonzi was and is still in horrible shape and isn't getting close to good shape, and it's all his fault. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">ANOTHER defensive minded player? You can not be serious. Not only that, he's undersized for a shooting guard. We ALREADY have Spanoulis who's a good defender, why in the HELL would we go and get another undersized defensive guard in Watson. We mine-as-well bring David Wesley back. What we REALLY need is a 3rd scoring option who can create and finish and who has size. If you watch the Rockets games, you'll notice that we have significant trouble scoring. There is no way a team with good shooters should be scoring only 80pts a game. The problem is when Yao or Tmac outta the game we have nothin but spot up shooters but no creators. That's where this team needs to improve.</div>What do you mean another? That's one question. And here's a thought, if you don't score, what's the other way to win? That's right, defense. If they can stop people, they can still win. And the Rockets have that third scoring option in Battier. I don't know what you want out of a third scorer, but you're not going to get much more than 10-12ppg most times unless you have a ton of balance on the team. And just wondering, but what has Bonzi done for you guys? Nothing. I think that's pretty much the whole point of it is. He hasn't done anything for you guys and continuing to be out of shape isn't doing him or his team any good. And one last thing, Watson isn't undersized. 6'2" for a PG is pretty much the average height for them, so unless you're calling him an undersized shooting guard, you're pretty far off. Watson is by no means a SG. He's a PG in pretty much all sense of the position. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Look I understand u want a team with all honor citizens. But we need some attitude on this team. We need somebody who's gonna bring some energy. Whether that be taking a hard foul, or gettin in ppl's faces. Right now the Rockets don't have a mean streak. I'd take Stephen Jackson with the heartbeat. Young, talented, athletic and quick feet. Who can do anything Earl Watson can do and MORE.</div>Offensively, he can do anything Earl can do, but he's got defensive deficiencies that Earl doesn't. Beyond that, he doesn't create for anyone but himself and he's streaky. So, while you may get a better scorer, you get inconsistency, a player that doesn't create for others, and a bad defender. And beyond this, his salary and the salary of Bonzi aren't even close if I'm correct, so there's another issue with your scenario.
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I'm really surprised Bonzi hasn't caught on with this team. He can score and rebound, and would give the Rockets some creative looks on offense because he's a strong post scorer, which would allow Yao to operate in the high post and direct traffic. Maybe the Rockets should try shopping him around. Seattle is looking for another scorer and they are trying to unload Earl Watson. Bonzi for Watson?</div> Ewww...NO WAY! Watson is not a very smart player and would be a detriment to the team. His shot selection is aweful. We have enough guards right now as it is anyway, but if we were looking for another guard, Watson should not be on the list.
<div class="quote_poster">Moo2K4 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">It might not be accurate, but it's not horribly off. Bonzi was and is still in horrible shape and isn't getting close to good shape, and it's all his fault.</div> U don't know that. Ur ASSUMING that because Bonzi's reputation. <div class="quote_poster">Moo2K4 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">What do you mean another? That's one question. And here's a thought, if you don't score, what's the other way to win? That's right, defense. If they can stop people, they can still win. And the Rockets have that third scoring option in Battier. I don't know what you want out of a third scorer, but you're not going to get much more than 10-12ppg most times unless you have a ton of balance on the team. And just wondering, but what has Bonzi done for you guys? Nothing. I think that's pretty much the whole point of it is. He hasn't done anything for you guys and continuing to be out of shape isn't doing him or his team any good. And one last thing, Watson isn't undersized. 6'2" for a PG is pretty much the average height for them, so unless you're calling him an undersized shooting guard, you're pretty far off. Watson is by no means a SG. He's a PG in pretty much all sense of the position.</div> First off, what I mean by another is our defensive IS ALWAYZ GONNA BE GOOD. We have Battier who can defend, so can Tmac, so can Spanoulis, so can Snyder, Skip can also defend. All those players have proven they can defend, so WHY IN THE HELL would you get another defensive minded player? Defense is not gonna a be problem for this team. You act like offense is a BAD thing. Scoring is great and can actually make the game worth watching, ya know Battier is not a legit scoring option, he's more of a utility guy who does that dirty work. But NOT a scorer. If you think he's gonna be our main 3rd option, then ur not thinking championship. Obviously Bonzi hasn't done anything because he hasn't really played. He wasn't given a chance by JVG. Alston-6'3 Head-6'2 Spanoulis-6'3 Lucas-5'11 EARL WATSON-6'2 You think adding ANOTHER pg to this team is gonna make us a contender. Jus sit back and think about that for a sec. <div class="quote_poster">Moo2K4 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Offensively, he can do anything Earl can do, but he's got defensive deficiencies that Earl doesn't. Beyond that, he doesn't create for anyone but himself and he's streaky. So, while you may get a better scorer, you get inconsistency, a player that doesn't create for others, and a bad defender. And beyond this, his salary and the salary of Bonzi aren't even close if I'm correct, so there's another issue with your scenario.</div> Stephen Jackson can hit open jumpers, post up, finish, defend and get to the free throw line. He's capable of givin you between 12-15pts a game and bringing some much needed fire to this team. He'd be GREAT on a team with no bad guys. We need a bad guy on this team.
A rumor on another message board (KingsFans) from someone who claims to have inside information. Actually, the poster happens to have been banned from JBB for spamming his website. Small world: Bonzi isn't going to play for the Rockets. We're probably going to try to trade him some time in January (he's untradeable til then). It's not clear what exactly happened, but apparently Bonzi is still far from being in shape.
From what I've read today on Houston Chronicles, JVG says Bonzi's workouts and conditioning has been slowed down by a hamstring injury. What else comes next? There's already too many reasons why he's not playing. Everyone's hope of him playing for the Rockets diminishes. We already have Snyder and Sura(another derailed recovery) on the injury shelves. All of the 3 are big guards who can rebound, score and defend effectively taller guards. VSpan seems to look a lot smaller from the 6'4" height he claims to be. I guess we have to wait a little bit longer for Bonzi to play or probably he may not which reminds me of Derek Anderson last season.
Earl Watson is complaining he's not the #1 PG in Seattle ahead of Ridnour, what makes anyone think he'll play 2nd fiddle to Rafer?
<div class="quote_poster">johnny33 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Earl Watson is complaining he's not the #1 PG in Seattle ahead of Ridnour, what makes anyone think he'll play 2nd fiddle to Rafer?</div> He's complaining because of the losing and feels his lack of minutes are impacting his teams win/loss record. Watson is a team player, he's just frustrated because he doesn't have a defined role, consistent minutes, and his team continues to lose. I see a glaring need for the Rockets defensively in the backcourt. Come playoff time, teams are going to exploit Rafer Alston and breakdown the defensive interior of the Rockets with dribble penetration. VSpan might be coming around, but he doesn't have the NBA post season experience. Having an added defender at PG, who won't hurt you offensively is a luxury in the post season. Two potential teams the Rockets could face, Dallas & Phoenix, both like using two point guards on the floor at the same time. Rockets do not have the speed to matchup with their current lineup. I think you're also over hyping Bonzi Wells as a scorer. He had a nice playoff run, but he didn't do anything spectacular in the regular season. He's a career 12.8 PPG scorer and has never averaged more than 17.0 PPG in his career. Just look at the situation Bonzi is in. Not many teams came knocking on his door when he became a free agent and with his behavior (past & present) you aren't going to get fair value for him.
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">He's complaining because of the losing and feels his lack of minutes are impacting his teams win/loss record. Watson is a team player, he's just frustrated because he doesn't have a defined role, consistent minutes, and his team continues to lose. I see a glaring need for the Rockets defensively in the backcourt. Come playoff time, teams are going to exploit Rafer Alston and breakdown the defensive interior of the Rockets with dribble penetration. VSpan might be coming around, but he doesn't have the NBA post season experience. Having an added defender at PG, who won't hurt you offensively is a luxury in the post season. Two potential teams the Rockets could face, Dallas & Phoenix, both like using two point guards on the floor at the same time. Rockets do not have the speed to matchup with their current lineup. I think you're also over hyping Bonzi Wells as a scorer. He had a nice playoff run, but he didn't do anything spectacular in the regular season. He's a career 12.8 PPG scorer and has never averaged more than 17.0 PPG in his career. Just look at the situation Bonzi is in. Not many teams came knocking on his door when he became a free agent and with his behavior (past & present) you aren't going to get fair value for him.</div> We're the FREAKIN best defensive team in the league! With that said, one of the worst teams offensivley. I just don't get why we'd want Earl Watson, when it's obvious to me our biggest weakness is offense and size. If we're gonna trade Bonzi it has to be for a bigger, athletic guard who can get to the rim and finish. We need speed, quickness, and size and Earl Watson would be a terrible step backwards.
During last year's playoffs, Wells sure looked about 40 heavier than he should've been. He was rebounding and banging around like a beast, which is probably in large part thanks to that extra weight, but the Rockets aren't really hurting for rebounding from an off-guard, and from the sounds of it, seems like he could be even heavier than that.
<div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">We're the FREAKIN best defensive team in the league! With that said, one of the worst teams offensivley. I just don't get why we'd want Earl Watson, when it's obvious to me our biggest weakness is offense and size. If we're gonna trade Bonzi it has to be for a bigger, athletic guard who can get to the rim and finish. We need speed, quickness, and size and Earl Watson would be a terrible step backwards.</div> Rockets are low scoring because of the pace they play. If you look at Points per 100 Possessions, they are averaging 101PPG. This still ranks 21 in the league, but they are hitting the century mark. The one area Houston is hurting in is turnovers. They're almost dead last per 100 possessions. Having a ball control PG like Watson would help them in this area.
If nba.com and espn.com's profile weight on Bonzi are right, then 210 pounds is quite reasonable (assuming he has muscle, if he has very little muscle then it is overweight). If Bonzi was overweight by 40 pounds during the playoffs last year, he played great with it, 41.4 mpg (is a lot), 23.2 ppg, 12 rpg)
<div class="quote_poster">Locke Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> That sure doesn't look 210. 250 might be more reasonable.</div> Are u tellin me he looks overweight in that pic? If anything he looks like regular Bonzi. This little mind game JVG is playing is preventing this team from being one of the elite teams. Bonzi should've been activated but because of JVG Bonzi will prolly never suit up for the Rockets. Which is a damn shame because he's the missing ingredient to winning a championship for this team. I honestly think JVG is satisfied with the team he has right now. He thinks in his head that he can win a ring by holding the ball and playing at grandma's pace. All the elite teams can score, even San Antonio.
Man, JVG is ruined my fantasy team. I didn't drop Bonzi cause I thought he'd play eventually, but JVG won't even give him the chance. I passed on some great FA's because I had faith in Bonzi. Damn you JVG!
