Run and gun offense already finished - Mitchell proven stupid

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    <div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">.

    And I seriously doubt that the 100 shots thing came from Colangelo. BC built a fast-paced offense in Phoenix and never once did you hear such a ridiculous statement from D'Antoni. The fact is that a fast-tempo offense is supposed to create high percentage shots and better percentages. An increased number of shots is simply a byproduct of the system, but Mitchell was retarded enough to make that the emphasis of his offensive philosophy. If anything, Sam should've made the goal to be a certain amount of layups/a certain shooting percentage.</div>

    do u honestly think mitchell meant- give it to fred jones on a fast break for a contested three? restraint had to be preached, particularly considering tj's inclination to be out of control. if mitchell didn't, i'm sure colangelo would have fired him by now.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Drunkballer Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">we went 7-1 in the preseason. I think it was certainly a lofty goal and the whole 100 shots was just a bench mark to try and motivate the team to get up the floor & shoot. I just don't get it... we were very critical of the raptos offense - specifically their reliance on garbage shots they would put up early in the shot clock. So mitchell changes strategy and all of a sudden he is proven stupid? What would you perfer some doggedly persistant coach who refuses to give up the old ideaology, or a coach who recognizes its not working at makes a switch??? IMO that whole 100 shots a game theory came from upstairs (colangelo).</div>

    It wasn't the ideaology that failed in this case, it was the execution. When we were hearing things like shoot within 7 seconds it caught everyones ear becaues it sounded strange. The flaws in the system were highly visiable from about the 2nd game into the season. A lot of this stuff looked like it could have been correctable. Mitchell's impelmentation of the running game failed and that's why we're reverting to a 1/2 court set. I think that we could still be a running team but that would require more organization.

    <div class="quote_poster">Drunkballer Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">
    Look I do get fed up with mitchells sets and i know he has had a pretty poor career record but he has also had some pretty crappy teams aswell. This year we defintly have the talent to make the play-offs but we are no more talented than Boston, New york, or Philly. We are currently sitting at 7-10 tied for first in our division (and have the 8th seed if the playoffs started today). Lets at least wait till the the new year before someone commits a murder suicide involving Sam Mitchell.</div>

    I can agree with you here ... I don't think we have an amazing roster or anything like that but it's fustrating to here someone tout a philosophy all off season and then abandon it after a month.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">do u honestly think mitchell meant- give it to fred jones on a fast break for a contested three? restraint had to be preached, particularly considering tj's inclination to be out of control. if mitchell didn't, i'm sure colangelo would have fired him by now.</div>
    But, that's the thing. His "7 seconds or less/100 shots" approach to a fast break offense promoted that type of play. This isn't a tweak with his system, its a full-blown dismissal of it. Mitchell's basically saying that I don't know how to run a proper "run n gun" offense yet, so we'll try to find some balance between half court and fast-paced.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">But, that's the thing. His "7 seconds or less/100 shots" approach to a fast break offense promoted that type of play. This isn't a tweak with his system, its a full-blown dismissal of it. Mitchell's basically saying that I don't know how to run a proper "run n gun" offense yet, so we'll try to find some balance between half court and fast-paced.</div>

    back to my original point last month- why didn't colangelo brandish the pink slip?
     
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    I've been with you on that point.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I've been with you on that point.</div>

    then its ultimately colangelo's fault.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">back to my original point last month- why didn't colangelo brandish the pink slip?</div>

    If i had to guess why Mitchell hasn't been let go ... I'd say it's because he's a stop gap until the new guy comes in. So we probably don't have anyone to replace him at this point.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">a13x Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">If i had to guess why Mitchell hasn't been let go ... I'd say it's because he's a stop gap until the new guy comes in. So we probably don't have anyone to replace him at this point.</div>

    so "if" mitchell is a stop gap, why didn't colangelo think of a possible replacement in case of a disaster scenario like 2-8?
     
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    We're going too much into the hypotheticals now. I definitely think keeping Mitchell for another year was a mistake on Colangelo's part. But, if we end up getting a Rick Adelman or Mark Iavoroni because of our patience, it's a little more tolerable.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">so "if" mitchell is a stop gap, why didn't colangelo think of a possible replacement in case of a disaster scenario like 2-8?</div>

    It might not be available. It may take sometime to get the coach that he wants. As much as we all hate Mitchell, firing him and replacing him with another temporary guy would just add to instability. I don't know at this point.

    My best guess (of what colangelo is thinking) is we play this season out and send mitchell on his way ... then hire iavaroni from the suns. I know he just signed that 2 year extension as an assistant but i'm sure he could get out of that. Did we hired Mitchell out of an assistant coach contract (with the Bobcats maybe)?
     
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    Hire Stan Van Gundy a.k.a. Ron Jeremy.
     

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