<div class="quote_poster">jason voorhees Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">That's what I've been saying. Baron is supposed to be our best player, but he sure doesn't play like it. I suspect he's part of the reason why the chemistry isn't always good on this team, i.e. he starts to play individual and then everyone else starts doing it. I wouldn't trade him for Francis or Marbury, but Iverson is another story if he becomes available.</div> Yeah man. I wouldn't do the AI trade though unless it helps us with getting more draft picks in a deep draft and reducing cap. If a high paid player stops making others better when its absolutely needed or can't lead the way on both ends of the floor, I almost think it's time to start over. But hell, we ain't doing that again. We're close, but we're pressured to hurry up before we lose the window of opportunity. We just need to get rid of 3 contracts who are severely limited by quickness or the ability to play both ends of the floor solidly. If we want to compete, we need to be athletic on the wing (but better than Barnes), we need a two dribble drive guys that can shoot and pass and take care of the ball in the backcourt, and we need our 20ppg scorer from everywhere, and two post presences, one of which can shoot from midrange like Marcus Camby shooting range. Everyone needs to pass, rebound, and defend, but our big men should be leading it. I'm excited about Ike + Biedrins frontline! But we don't have an unselfish real star aside from Jrich and he's not really a real guard. ... this is harder than I thought to make things work quickly. Majority of playoff nba teams won't have a guard that weak at ballhandling, though, unless the ballhandling comes from the small forward spot. I don't think Barnes is that great and Dunleavy can't even get off the bench nowadays. We may need to re-think the swingman position if Jrich never becomes good enough to be a Mike Finley or Paul Pierce or Bonzi Wells type of power guard when it comes to ballhandling or maybe passing. Ballhandling and passing need to be worked on by Jrich.
<div class="quote_poster">jason voorhees Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I'd settle for .500 at this point, but how does this look? NO/OK - W (need to get back on winning track at home) @ SEA - W SAC - W (Kings are struggling a bit like the Warriors. Home court edge.) HOU - W (Payback time!) @ PHX - L @ TOR - W (EC fodder) @ NJN - W (ditto) @ BOS - W (ditto) @ ORL - L (Magic playing well) @ MIA - L (Miami sucking but they're stil champs) PHI - W (Back home again) BOS - W (ditto) @ SAC - L That's an optimistic 9 - 4, but like you said we are not road warriors and have six straight during one stretch.</div> That looks pretty good, though that Houston win is a stretch! IMO there's no way this roster can handle the Rockets. If they play 10 times that's 10 losses.
<div class="quote_poster">jason voorhees Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">That's what I've been saying. Baron is supposed to be our best player, but he sure doesn't play like it. I suspect he's part of the reason why the chemistry isn't always good on this team, i.e. he starts to play individual and then everyone else starts doing it. I wouldn't trade him for Francis or Marbury, but Iverson is another story if he becomes available.</div> Yeah. Baron is SO freakin' awesome when he's being a "good boy" and trying to play team ball. What about that game on TNT against the Kings? dude had like 15 pts 10 assists in the 1st qarter alone. He was looking like Magic Johnson, running the show. Baron is one of the best players in the game... when he's tuned in. The problem is that he'll never be a superstar if he doesn't do it every night. tune in, that is. i don't care if he has a poor shooting night if he's doing what Nele asks. But you know that first quarter tonight, when he was just jacking up bricks for no reason, even Nellie had to think "oh crap wtf is he doin?"
<div class="quote_poster">AlleyOop Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">That looks pretty good, though that Houston win is a stretch! IMO there's no way this roster can handle the Rockets. If they play 10 times that's 10 losses.</div> That's because Houston plays defense. The only reason we beat the Jazz and the Spurs is because they didn't respect us enough (IMO) and Biedrins had great games which made things easier for the guards. With no post presence, we are toast just like the Montgomery days when we actually tried to run 5 on 5 motion offense and slow it down. LOL. That ain't working without a center much like running game without a power forward or center that can defend or stay on the floor. We always seem to get spanked by the other team when their small forward are Bowen, AK47, or Shane Battier and when their shooting guards are guys that can shoot, pass, dribble, and outquick/outside all of our guards. But, I think our poor play happens when Murphy, Baron start doing what they do worst! > I make them the scapegoats . Get a guy like Biedrins and Ike hanging around the post with maybe a guy like Barnes/Dunleavy at the wing, and maybe Baron won't take such dumb outside shots because he'll have guys that he can hit or swing the ball to. And those guys could kick it back out to Baron, who can take better shots without having to overdribble. I just can't stand point guards that resort back to shooting guard unless they are Sam Cassell or Kirk Hinrich or Chauncey Billups. At least those guys are good shooters, and at the foul line too.
<div class="quote_poster">iLL PiLL Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">You think getting Nelly his 1,200th win is getting to them? Maybe its too much pressure? They better do something quick to change their play because they are starting to look like a lottery team</div> It's essentially last year's team, so it kind of is a lottery team Nelson can't do it by himself as first year "GM".
Well, out of the 4 losses, only 2 have been bad. The Spurs and the Rockets, both at home, both at full strength, both with MVP centers -- both elite teams in the NBA. It sucks they were blowouts, but it doesn' mean GS is suddenly a bottom feeder. The other two losses against the Pacers and Bucks, GS played well and IMO should have won. So let's see after the road trip, after they play some Eastern Conference teams, if they can still flirt with playoff contention. The sky hasn't fallen... yet.
<div class="quote_poster">AlleyOop Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Well, out of the 4 losses, only 2 have been bad. The Spurs and the Rockets, both at home, both at full strength, both with MVP centers -- both elite teams in the NBA. It sucks they were blowouts, but it doesn' mean GS is suddenly a bottom feeder. The other two losses against the Pacers and Bucks, GS played well and IMO should have won. So let's see after the road trip, after they play some Eastern Conference teams, if they can still flirt with playoff contention. The sky hasn't fallen... yet.</div> No, but the Warriors have historically been bad or not good enough to make the playoffs in a deep conference. And the team isn't any better than last year at solving the athleticism, inside presence, defense problem. Biedrins is the only bright spot inside, but the team cannot rely on him when he is not really an offensive player. The Warriors can learn how to play together as a team, but we still need guys who can fill in the roles we desperately need at SF/PF/C... because we often lose those matchups. Even guards we can lose those matchups because we don't really have anybody that is 6'6 that plays smart, is quick, and behaves like a shooting guard... Plus Baron Davis is injury prone and such a low % high volume guy. I pray this is like 2004 season and we get a surprise in getting an all-star for a bunch of role players... but salary problems and no expiring contracts won't make that happen (probably). I think we could win more games than we lose, but we need to fix that defense for reals. I've been saying for the last few seasons, we need defense... but we cannot fix it because Mullin never played it, I bet. He also never played with a real center during run tmc days. Maybe he doesn't know what that is either. I guess we'll have to settle for Beans, the F/C for now since there are no Shaqs, Yaos, or Zos nowadays.
<div class="quote_poster">custodianrules2 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">He also never played with a real center during run tmc days. Maybe he doesn't know what that is either. </div> Well, he did sign Adonal Foyle to a 5 year, $40+ mils contract. That wasn't exactly a keen judge of big-man talent, omgrotfllmaololwtfwtfomg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I really think they should consider NOT resigning Pietrus. Is he athletic, yes, is he energetic, yes, does he have a deceptively capable corner three, yes, but is he an occasionally useless spaz who goes hog wild on his own adrenaline and inflated sense of worth? Yes, yes...
I just dont get Nellie on this one. Starting Ellis, Roberson, BAron, Pietrus and Beans was just asking for trouble. I guess the theory was to push the ball and run.... with all the made baskets and fouls to start the game it killed our running game. As to the point of baron jacking up three's to start the game....well yeah ...what the hell did you (nellie) think would happen when you have roberson, great shooter but all he really does is spot up.... pietrus spotted up in the corner and then you have ellis and baron passing the hot potatoe... at least ellis tried getting biedrins involved. There was no movement off the ball just everyone playing fisher/monty ball. It seemed like the foyle biedrins MP baron ellis second half starting line up was slightly more effective at least yao was shut down a little. two ugly games....
<div class="quote_poster">HiRez Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">It would be fine, but they're not going to end December at .500, not playing like this. 8 of their next 13 games to end December are on the road, where they're 1-5.</div> I think it's totally realistic. Lots of road games for sure, but the quality of opponents is generally weak.
I just checked the box scores for the Rockets Vs Bobcats and Spurs Vs Clippers. Both teams (Spurs and Rockets) winning by over 30 tonight. That makes me feel better about the warriors. It just shows that the warriors aren't all that bad. The Spurs and Rockets are just on another level right now then the rest of the league. So I'm not ready to panic about the warriors season yet. Sure they've blown some games, but later in the season they'll steal a couple that they should have lost. I think it will balance out. I still think this team will be competing for the 8th spot. Luck is going to play big factor. So far they've had terrible luck.
<div class="quote_poster">Gohn Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I just checked the box scores for the Rockets Vs Bobcats and Spurs Vs Clippers. Both teams (Spurs and Rockets) winning by over 30 tonight. That makes me feel better about the warriors. It just shows that the warriors aren't all that bad. The Spurs and Rockets are just on another level right now then the rest of the league. </div> Either that or we're as bad as the Bobcats and Clippers. I take that back. Clippers aren't that bad, it's just two key players are really struggling for various reasons. Chris Kaman (their top center who can protect Elton Brand) and Sam Cassell (their all-star veteran point that gets everyone involved) and I'm not sure if SG Mobley went in or out to the bench.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Either that or we're as bad as the Bobcats and Clippers. </div> Haha. Yeah. That's possible too. I tried to ignore that possibility.
<div class="quote_poster">Gohn Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Haha. Yeah. That's possible too. I tried to ignore that possibility.</div> I know... somebody has to be positive They say "it's always darkest before sunrise", but the sun never comes up in Warriorland. LOL. It snows, rains, pours, and sucks.
