A.I. demands a trade, are the W's a realistic destination?

Iverson is a great player, but I don't want him on the Warriors, for reasons already articulated here. However, don't forget that this could open up an opportunity for a three-way trade with another team.

 

While it is an interesting idea how Nelson can use Iverson, there are just too many things that doesn't work for Warriors and Iverson. First, if we try to get Iverson, we have to part either Davis or Richardson. The line up of Davis and Iverson would be bettre version of Marbury and Francis line up, and their presences will pretty much cancel their strengths out. And, if we trade Davis for Iverson, I don't know how that would improve this club. We are complaining that we don't have enough ball movement and how Davis is hogging the ball. But, if we get Iverson, we will see even lesser ball movements and more ball hogging from PG spot (because nobody can play pg, Iverson is forced to play pg). Second, in order to build a working team with Iverson, the team has to be a strong rebounding club. Iverson will shoot a lot and miss a lot. And, our club happened to be the dead last in rebounding differences. Also, we need some strong inside presence and relatively weak guard line up, so that Iverson can shoot a lot from outside and big forward/center can dominate from inside. Since we have guard dominating club with weak front line, I don't really see Iverson working for the club. Third, we need 2 years or shorter contracts and Iverson have 3 years contract. While his short contract may help this club, he is not a perfect answer for the finance either.

At this point, the most logical trade may be Iverson for Davis. But, even at the best situation, Iverson will not post up and dominate inside, be Nash ver. 2, or get rebounds. It is an intriguing trade, but I don't think it will help this club much, if any...

 

Concerning whether or not having AI and Baron on the same team will stunt Monta's growth.

Baron has played an average of 44 games over the last 6 seasons.

So if Baron gets injured then Monta would get shifted into the starting line, and play starters minutes.

If Baron doesn't get injured, which all warrior's fans would like. Then Baron @ 32 mpg, Iverson @ 38 mpg would leave Ellis with 26 mpg.

If Baron demands that he plays 35 mpg like last year, and Iverson demands last season's 43 mpg, that would only leave 18 mpg for Monta.

So Monta's mpg would be 18-26 mpg, not including any increase in minutes if Baron or Iverson gets injured or suspended.

I'm not saying whether or not trading for Iverson would be good or not (I don't really know how it would turn out), but just looking at how the minutes could work out.

 

Well, when your team is struggling, and a player is on the market, threads start to crop up about how we can get that player. Even if it makes no sense for the given roster.

While Iverson is a perennial all-star, MVP, and future first ballot hall-of-famer, he just doesn't fit at all into this situation, IMO. We already have an explosive, exciting back court. We have three of the better guards in the league. The back court is the least of this team's concerns.

GS needs some toughness inside. They need a classic power forward player, IMO. Yes of course Garnett and O'neal are ideal! But that's what they need: a guy like Rodman or Moses Malone, to bang inside, do the dirty work, and rebound.

The Warriors' current PF is a slow, unathletic jumpshooter who can't even post up a PG. That needs to change. Then, they need to address the SF position and clean that up.

But having Allen, Monta, and either Baron or JRich is overkill and doesn't address this team's weaknesses.

With that said, it would still be exciting if he came here, lol!

 

In side note, it's very very unfortunate that our 07 Philly pick is not only lottory protected, we will get 1 mils instead if they don't make PO this year. If Iverson is indeed traded, they have no shot to make PO, and we will most likely get a cash. Dang, if that pick was unprotected, we could think about Oden by now...

 

I dunno, Kwan -- in the East, every team has a shot at PO. Right now, a 38-44 record is good enough for the 8th seed lol!

 

<div class="quote_poster">Clif25 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">It would be interesting to replace Baron with Allen Iverson straight up. For all of the things Baron lacks e.g. staying healthy/on the court, getting to the FT line, making FT's, playing at a high level at all times, etc. we find these to be some of the strengths of Allen Iverson.

If the 76ers have the weak hand here, I would consider starting with AI for Baron and Keith McLeod. Then maybe bumping it up to Baron and Zarko, if the first one doesn't work. I would stop considering a trade once it includes both Baron and Ike for just Allen Iverson. How about a fatty deal of Baron/Murphy/Foyle for AI/Webber? haha that would be just nuts though maybe... I have found a slight wall keeping me from being optimistic about this team after the last week, so I am letting my mind wonder on this trade idea because it is intersting I think.</div>

I like your deal better Cliff. Baron for AI straight up, but we'd have to make the salaries match, so any of your deals sound better than giving up Ike. Hard to imagine pulling off the fatty deal unless it was after the season because of the Nelson - Webber fiasco.

Haven't heard if Mullin is going to go after Iverson and give up Baron as he was open to doing during the summer.

 

<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The only two players I'd pursue are KG or Jermaine O'Neal. Those two fill an actual void in the Warriors lineup.</div>

KG or JO would be better than Iverson, but they're not available for trade. If you want to discuss Iverson as a trading piece, he's more valuable to have than Baron.

 

Haven't been able to confirm but from Atma Brother One:
"Well it looks like Peter Vecsey's article about Allen Iverson wanting out of Philly has some merit. One of our sources has confirmed that the Sixers have indeed contacted four or five teams about moving AI. Three of the confirmed teams are the Golden State Warriors, the Denver Nuggets, and the Seattle Sonics. This doesn't necessarily mean that any of these teams are interested, rather that the Sixers front office has contacted them to gauge their interest. It seems safe to say that the 76ers like some pieces on the Warriors, Nuggets (aside from Carmelo Anthony since he's obviously not going anywhere), and Sonics."

http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/

 

Heh -- I'm not suprised. For the first time in a while, GS has a stockpile of young talent. I'd bet almost every GM in the league has GS as one of the first on their call list. Monta Ellis... Biedrins...Diogu...Pietrus... Of course, they all want to strip away that precious young talent for as little as possible, lol. I don't see Philly doing any trade that doesn't invlove one of either Beans, Ike, or Ellis, but you can bet that's the only reason why they made the phone call.

 

If we trade for Iverson, we're not going to turn around and trade him again.

Yeah I'd do Baron/Murph for Iverson/filler. I think Philadelphia does that too. There isn't anything much better. I think Voorhees agrees with me, right?

Baron Davis is a good player. When he's on, he's unguardable and plays like a mini magic johnson. How often are we going to see that Baron Davis? I'd rather just have a more consistent player. Iverson is a chucker himself but shoots a higher % than Baron. He doesn't have the passing skills like Baron but Montay is running point guard. If our gameplan is to run Baron at the 2, why not just get Iverson? When he runs the offense, he dribble too much. JRich, Diogu can post up on opposite sides, Iverson plays off the ball, Biedrins can clean up the misses and Montay/Dunleavy/whoever can run the offense.

I'd be pretty dissapointed if we don't even go into negotiations with the sixers.

After all this being said, I don't think Iverson guarantees us a playoff spot. We need some veterans to come in, make plays, produce and play defense in the frontcourt. If we can get a guy like that, then we will consistently win. Murphy, Matt Barnes, Dunleavy, Pietrus and Zarko aren't those guys. If we had one or two projects, that's cool but our entire forward and center rotation are complete projects?! You're asking for trouble...seriously.

I'd still make the upgrade for Iverson because that's what it is...an upgrade.

 

<div class="quote_poster">upsidedownside7 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">If we trade for Iverson, we're not going to turn around and trade him again.

Yeah I'd do Baron/Murph for Iverson/filler. I think Philadelphia does that too. There isn't anything much better. I think Voorhees agrees with me, right?

Baron Davis is a good player. When he's on, he's unguardable and plays like a mini magic johnson. How often are we going to see that Baron Davis? I'd rather just have a more consistent player. Iverson is a chucker himself but shoots a higher % than Baron. He doesn't have the passing skills like Baron but Montay is running point guard. If our gameplan is to run Baron at the 2, why not just get Iverson? When he runs the offense, he dribble too much. JRich, Diogu can post up on opposite sides, Iverson plays off the ball, Biedrins can clean up the misses and Montay/Dunleavy/whoever can run the offense.

I'd be pretty dissapointed if we don't even go into negotiations with the sixers.

After all this being said, I don't think Iverson guarantees us a playoff spot. We need some veterans to come in, make plays, produce and play defense in the frontcourt. If we can get a guy like that, then we will consistently win. Murphy, Matt Barnes, Dunleavy, Pietrus and Zarko aren't those guys. If we had one or two projects, that's cool but our entire forward and center rotation are complete projects?! You're asking for trouble...seriously.

I'd still make the upgrade for Iverson because that's what it is...an upgrade.</div>

Shoot, Philly is in a bind because they are now forced to trade Iverson when they had a better chance to get better offers for him over the summer. Sixers are the ones contacting other teams to see if there is interest. I gotta think Philly wants to get one of our young guys from us or the other teams they've contacted. Monta and AB are off limits, so it would be Ike or MP in the deal.

Jeez Louise. There sure are a lot of differing opinions on Iverson. I agree that AI is an upgrade over Baron. Mainly, AI is a *go to guy*. He can score, is exciting and more durable than Baron. He's not a shooter though. Even chucker Baron has a higher FG %age. The downside risk is that AI tends to hog the ball and stifle ball and team movement.

My original trade was for Baron and Ike for Iverson, but now have revised that to Baron and change for Iverson. We don't have to up the ante unless there is a need. Something like Baron and MP for AI would be okay . Adding Murphy makes it more complex.

 

Why would the Sixers want to give up a perennial All-Star and a future HOF for another guard who has a worse attitude, is a poor freethrower, and is very likely to miss a lot of games due to injury? If the deal was Baron and Pietrus for Iverson I guess I'd have to at least listen, but I don't see how it really helps Philadelphia. And from the Warrior's perspective, Iverson has the same length contract as Baron and is something like $4 million a year more expensive, that's not helpful to their present situation. Any time a superstar player is available, it's tempting to speculate, like when that hot girl unexpectedly breaks up with her boyfriend, but I think this one is best left alone by the Warriors.

 

This is a special case though, IMO. Even though Philly is the team looking to make a trade, they are still in the driver seat simply because we're talking about one of the greatest players of our generation. AI is a perennial scoring champ and former MVP. I am sure there is so much interest that Philly doesn't need to stretch it to make something happen.

With that said, while AI is a scoring machine, I don't see him as a winner. he took his team to the finals against the Lakers but that was it. Moreover, I've never felt like Philly has had a good thing going. Every year, I look at that team with AI and think "that wouldn't be a fun place to play." Sure AI is great but looking at the team ball aspect and flow, even with Igoudala adding some spark, Philly has always been an unpleasant team to watch for me. I'm not convinced that AI does much to make those around him better.

If I were Mullin, I wouldn't go after AI unless it was on GS's terms. Baron and Ike? No way. Baron is a ball hog, but he's younger and more of a true point guard. Monta, btw, is not a point guard yet. He may never be a true assist type guy. I know AI is better overall, but Baron is more of what Nellie wants in his system at PG.

Now, if it were something that involved Murphy, Foyle, Dun, and Pietrus or something, then we're talking. But obviously that would never happen. Still, while I wouldn't go after him (I still think GS has a chance to right this ship -- it's early) it would nonetheless be exciting with AI here and I wouldn't cry about it.

 

There is one intangible that AI brings that clearly J-rich possesses but i dont see in BAron and quite a few other Warriors and that is the win at all costs, thorugh pain, injury and illness. That mental toughness. I really dont see it in Baron. I think adding AI, especially in some sort of BAron swap might toughen up the mental lacking of this team.