<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- Allen Iverson's nameplate was gone and his locker was cleaned out. All that's left to officially sever his relationship with the Philadelphia 76ers is a trade. Iverson was still a Sixer on Monday night, though he was not in the arena for Philadelphia's game against Portland, the third straight contest he was on the inactive list. Iverson's days in Philadelphia are numbered and the NBA's leading scorer may soon have his trade demand granted. With four games this week, the Atlantic Division-worst Sixers seem unlikely to let the situation fester and are prepared to deal their franchise player. Sixers coach Maurice Cheeks was peppered all day with questions about Iverson, but said his only focus was on the players in the locker room and snapping the team's seven-game losing streak. "I'm not here to say how this happened, how that happened," Cheeks said. "We're just going forward with the people we have and we're trying to win games. I think our team has been pretty good through all of this." </div> Source
This would be pretty hard to swallow for Sixer fans, he's been a Sixer for his whole career, and all of a sudden, he's traded. I hope this situation will be different from VC's case.
It's no secret that Philly has been shopping A.I. around many times before this. A.I. is not the bad guy here. He gives 100% every night to a team that shopped him around and never gave him a good supporting cast.
<div class="quote_poster">AnimeFANatic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">It's no secret that Philly has been shopping A.I. around many times before this. A.I. is not the bad guy here. He gives 100% every night to a team that shopped him around and never gave him a good supporting cast.</div> When a shooter demands 30 shots a game and shoots a horrible %, what supporting cast can you put behind him?
<div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">When a shooter demands 30 shots a game and shoots a horrible %, what supporting cast can you put behind him?</div> Shut up already...lol.
<div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">When a shooter demands 30 shots a game and shoots a horrible %, what supporting cast can you put behind him?</div> Yao Ming, Chuck Hayes, Shane Battier, Rafer Alston, Dikembe Mutumbo, Juwan Howard, and possibly Bonzi Wells would be a better supporting cast for a scoring SG imo than Iguodala, Korver, Dalembert, Webber, Hunter, Ollie, and Carney. Interesting note: 2 Years before Tmac got traded, Tmac took 24.2 FG attempts a game and averaged 32.1 ppg @ 45.7%. Year before Tmac got traded to Rockets, TMac took 23 FG attempts a game and averaged 28 ppg @ 41.7%. Last year AI took 25.3 FG attempts a game, averaged 33 ppg @ 44.7%. or this year, AI takes 24.4 FG attempts a game, averaging 31.2 ppg @ 42.7%.
I think Iverson isn't smart. Whichever team he goes on, he will demand a lot of shots. I dont think he will ever become a champion. He's better let alone on a team like 76ers where he gets to take a lot of shots, I dont think he will be all that great with another star. He isn't smart like T-Mac. Tmac sacrifised his shots for Yao, because he realizes that Yao is the leader now and he needs to be a passer for the team to be succesful instead of scoring 30ppg. I dont think Iverson can do that. Oh, and btw ... didn't ESPN say he will be traded within 24-28 hours like a day ago? What happened? He should be traded already...
<div class="quote_poster">Pakman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I think Iverson isn't smart. Whichever team he goes on, he will demand a lot of shots. I dont think he will ever become a champion. He's better let alone on a team like 76ers where he gets to take a lot of shots, I dont think he will be all that great with another star. He isn't smart like T-Mac. Tmac sacrifised his shots for Yao, because he realizes that Yao is the leader now and he needs to be a passer for the team to be succesful instead of scoring 30ppg. I dont think Iverson can do that. Oh, and btw ... didn't ESPN say he will be traded within 24-28 hours like a day ago? What happened? He should be traded already...</div> What the hell? If Iverson is traded to Minny you believe he'd be too stupid to pass it to KG? I think Iverson is getting older, wiser, and smarter. He will do whatever it takes to win, even if that includes not shooting, but passing. He needs a good supporting cast first. And yea 48 hours are up, screw ESPN for getting my hopes up. I wanted to know by now. I was expecting to wake up into the overnight news, but nothing
<div class="quote_poster">Pakman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I think Iverson isn't smart. Whichever team he goes on, he will demand a lot of shots. I dont think he will ever become a champion. He's better let alone on a team like 76ers where he gets to take a lot of shots, I dont think he will be all that great with another star. He isn't smart like T-Mac. Tmac sacrifised his shots for Yao, because he realizes that Yao is the leader now and he needs to be a passer for the team to be succesful instead of scoring 30ppg. I dont think Iverson can do that. Oh, and btw ... didn't ESPN say he will be traded within 24-28 hours like a day ago? What happened? He should be traded already...</div> What the hell?! T-Mac's had to do it himself while he was in Orlando, its the same for Iverson on the 76ers. Sure, AI had Iggy, but Iggy's a good player, not an all-star, Webber's all star days are also far behind him, you can't compare AI not passing it as much because he had two good players while T-Mac now has a couple in Battier and Alston, with an ALL STAR in Yao. Plus, Yao's 7'6, which dumb ass wouldn't pass to him?! Hell, even Kobe figured it out with Shaq for the 3 championships.
<div class="quote_poster">Pakman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I think Iverson isn't smart. Whichever team he goes on, he will demand a lot of shots. I dont think he will ever become a champion. He's better let alone on a team like 76ers where he gets to take a lot of shots, I dont think he will be all that great with another star. He isn't smart like T-Mac. Tmac sacrifised his shots for Yao, because he realizes that Yao is the leader now and he needs to be a passer for the team to be succesful instead of scoring 30ppg. I dont think Iverson can do that. Oh, and btw ... didn't ESPN say he will be traded within 24-28 hours like a day ago? What happened? He should be traded already...</div> Terrible logic, if you had read Skiptomylue's earlier post, you would know that this post is pretty much obsolete. obviously he knows how to defer to other players, he just has nobody to defer to in Philly, but despite that he still averaged 8 apg last year. If anything, Iverson would probably be a more effective player to put with Yao, and I'm sure he'll fit in well with a KG or whoever else.
Well, I really dont think Iverson would do well either way. He, to me is just one of those players. Sure Minnesota or Celtics record will improve, but not as much as you guys say. He isn't a team oriented player IMO.
<div class="quote_poster">Pakman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">He isn't smart like T-Mac. Tmac sacrifised his shots for Yao, because he realizes that Yao is the leader now and he needs to be a passer for the team to be succesful instead of scoring 30ppg. I dont think Iverson can do that.</div> Iverson isnt injury prone like T-Mac is, thats why T-Mac is half the player he once was. Today he's out injured again for a prolonged period of time with yet more back problems. Also for your knowledge, A.I averages an assist more than T-Mac does a game (7.3apg - 6.3apg) and ranks 9th overall in the league, so I dont see why you're talking it up as if Iverson never passes and is just all about himself.
<div class="quote_poster">hustler Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">This would be pretty hard to swallow for Sixer fans, he's been a Sixer for his whole career, and all of a sudden, he's traded. I hope this situation will be different from VC's case.</div>This isn't all of a sudden though, the team has been shopping him for 6 years. <div class="quote_poster">AnimeFANatic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">A.I. is not the bad guy here. He gives 100% every night to a team that shopped him around and never gave him a good supporting cast.</div>You speak the gospel <div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">When a shooter demands 30 shots a game and shoots a horrible %, what supporting cast can you put behind him?</div>He only demands that many shots per game cause he has nobody he can defer to or count on to make buckets. If he had capable guys around him, his assists would be better than they are. <div class="quote_poster">Pakman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> He isn't smart like T-Mac. Tmac sacrifised his shots for Yao, because he realizes that Yao is the leader now and he needs to be a passer for the team to be succesful instead of scoring 30ppg. I dont think Iverson can do that. </div>I think this logic lacks just that. Consider this: "Yao has undeniably become the Rockets' primary scoring option on the offensive end so that means McGrady does need to get the ball to his center when the big fella is in a groove. McGrady is going to create more for Yao -- and not himself -- than he has in previous seasons." SOURCE Tell me of one person that has ever asserted themself as the primary scoring option on any team Iverson has ever played on? Let me help you, NONE! AI has been surrounded by scrubs and has beens ever since he's been in Philly, not including Stackhouse who was bounced from the team when Coach Brown decided to move AI off the point. <div class="quote_poster">XSV Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">obviously he knows how to defer to other players, he just has nobody to defer to in Philly, but despite that he still averaged 8 apg last year. If anything, Iverson would probably be a more effective player to put with Yao, and I'm sure he'll fit in well with a KG or whoever else.</div>True story <div class="quote_poster">NTC187 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Iverson isnt injury prone like T-Mac is, thats why T-Mac is half the player he once was. Today he's out injured again for a prolonged period of time with yet more back problems. Also for your knowledge, A.I averages an assist more than T-Mac does a game (7.3apg - 6.3apg) and ranks 9th overall in the league, so I dont see why you're talking it up as if Iverson never passes and is just all about himself.</div>Well, I wouldn't say AI isn't injury prone, he just hasn't sustained a major injury like TMac has been dealing with(back).
<div class="quote_poster">NTC187 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Iverson isnt injury prone like T-Mac is, thats why T-Mac is half the player he once was. Today he's out injured again for a prolonged period of time with yet more back problems. Also for your knowledge, A.I averages an assist more than T-Mac does a game (7.3apg - 6.3apg) and ranks 9th overall in the league, so I dont see why you're talking it up as if Iverson never passes and is just all about himself.</div> Tmac's injury has nothing to do with this conversation. Its about leading the team and being smart. AI always looks for his shot first. Whichever team he goes to, he's going to look to get the same amount of shots I'm sure. He's gotten too used to it over the 10 years. <div class="quote_poster">AIFan Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> Tell me of one person that has ever asserted themself as the primary scoring option on any team Iverson has ever played on? Let me help you, NONE! AI has been surrounded by scrubs and has beens ever since he's been in Philly, not including Stackhouse who was bounced from the team when Coach Brown decided to move AI off the point. </div> It seems like AI has been surrounded with scrubs. But, the truth is ... he never made the players around him better to an extent where you could say "this other player on the 76ers is a good player too." When Steve Nash entered Phoenix, he made a lot of players become well known and respected. I might be wrong, maybe its just the way I view Iverson. But, even though Iverson averages 7.something assists per game, I've never viewed him as a team-oriented player.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> It seems like AI has been surrounded with scrubs. But, the truth is ... he never made the players around him better to an extent where you could say "this other player on the 76ers is a good player too." When Steve Nash entered Phoenix, he made a lot of players become well known and respected. </div> When Nash came to Phoenix, they already had Marion, Johnson, and Stoudemire. Marion was averaging 19 ppg, Johnson had 16.7, and Stoudemire notched 20.6 ppg. Not bad at all. Has Iverson ever had three players that could average those numbers before in his career? The best he's had is probably now, with Webber, Korver, and Iguodala. Personally, I'd take Nash's teammates over Iverson's anyday. When Nash arrived in Phoenix, who did he actually make well known? Everyone certainly knew about Marion and Amare already. Quentin Richardson had a pretty decent career as a Clipper. Johnson you can actually make a case for, but his point increase didn't really inflate much (0.4 ppg) with Nash. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> I might be wrong, maybe its just the way I view Iverson. But, even though Iverson averages 7.something assists per game, I've never viewed him as a team-oriented player.</div> Maybe. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I think Iverson isn't smart. Whichever team he goes on, he will demand a lot of shots. I dont think he will ever become a champion. He's better let alone on a team like 76ers where he gets to take a lot of shots, I dont think he will be all that great with another star. </div> Well you never know until you try, and Iverson's never really had that chance to play with too many quality players or another All Star caliber player. Garnett for an example, is actually a pretty unselfish powerforward, and probably would play fairly well with Iverson since both like the halfcourt style and complement each other's games. Garnett can be at the highpost and pass the ball to a cutting Iverson or Iverson can just dish it off to Garnett when he's driving in. As for that shot thing, personally I think its more of the team needing him to take that many shots. Last season Iguodala didn't really show much desire to dominate or take control of the ball. Korver's the kind of player that actually thrives off Iverson, while Webber did get his fair share of the ball last season. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> He isn't smart like T-Mac. Tmac sacrifised his shots for Yao, because he realizes that Yao is the leader now and he needs to be a passer for the team to be succesful instead of scoring 30ppg. I dont think Iverson can do that.</div> And why can't he? He has a great desire to win (which is why he wants to get traded in the first place) so I don't see less shots as a reason why he can't play well with another star.
