<div class="quote_poster">Air Fresh Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Your right, also show me how much this happens with white people end up getting shot and killed. I've never heard such a story.</div> It wasn't the point I was making. I find the act itself disgusting, I would feel the same whether they were black or white.
<div class="quote_poster">Laker_fan Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">OK, let's not turn this into a race war by asking about what "X" would have done if the person was white/black/brown/purple. However, I doubt the car would have been shot 50 times if there were two white men/women inside. There's a huge chance it's a race crime.</div> thank u for pointing out the obvious to the rest of the posters.
<div class="quote_poster">Air Fresh Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Your right, also show me how much this happens with white people end up getting shot and killed. I've never heard such a story.</div> AF-Venom, despite having a bit of a silly nickname , is right. this would NEVER happen to white Americans. in fact it never does. all hell would break loose.
<div class="quote_poster">I-Miss-MJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Whats the difference? 3 humans were shot at 50 times by police. Black or white doesn't matter.</div> That was my point. I wanted to see if deception cared about that fact, or only that it was a black man who was involved.
<div class="quote_poster">Fiyah Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Incidentally the makeup of the officers involved were two white, two black and one latino I believe.</div> fyi-a white cop is the one who did the bulk of the shooting, plus, according to the reports- the other police officers returned fire against that cop. and i believe- all the shooters were white (so the two i guess) as well. <div class="quote_poster">NTC187 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">That was my point. I wanted to see if deception cared about that fact, or only that it was a black man who was involved.</div> refer to my post where i addressed your question. btw, your question as other posters have noted is predicated on ill-informed assumptions.
Sad story, and the worst part are the apologists. Reminds of the scene in Jersey Drive, when the cops set up some carjackers and just unload round after round into them.
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Sad story, and the worst part are the apologists. </div> thank you. and i really didn't want to get into this but since other members (e.g. NTC) have decided to play the race card, otherwise known as the lowest common denominator- let me say that white victimhood is the saddest farce in american society today. in case u guys don't believe me, think about all the continuing uproar over o.j.; the hysteria over the central park jogger case; the hype about the kobe rape case; and in general, the sensationalism involving crimes with white victims and black perpetrators.
<div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">thank you. and i really didn't want to get into this but since other members (e.g. NTC) have decided to play the race card, otherwise known as the lowest common denominator- let me say that white victimhood is the saddest farce in american society today. in case u guys don't believe me, think about all the continuing uproar over o.j.; the hysteria over the central park jogger case; the hype about the kobe rape case; and in general, the sensationalism involving crimes with white victims and black perpetrators.</div> you forgot the hot-white-young-female victimhood. notice the media circus that happens when one of these people is killled. is their life any more valuable than a black man's? obviously no.
Its just sad to hear about hatred, killing, violence, etc, but I've hated, I've been violent, etc. So I just feel bad for the families who lost their brother, son, friend, etc as well even the cop's family I'm sure will have a hard time from media, etc.
I swear this exact thing has happened before. I think the cops fired like 60-something shots at an unarmed man, sometime when Guiliani was mayor. And, of course, the apologists were present then too. It seems that the police's only response to any sort of scandal is strict denial. It's both insulting to the victims and counter-productive, because the issue never gets addressed.
<div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">thank you. and i really didn't want to get into this but since other members (e.g. NTC) have decided to play the race card, otherwise known as the lowest common denominator- let me say that white victimhood is the saddest farce in american society today. in case u guys don't believe me, think about all the continuing uproar over o.j.; the hysteria over the central park jogger case; the hype about the kobe rape case; and in general, the sensationalism involving crimes with white victims and black perpetrators.</div> I'm not playing the race card at all, I'm just seeing a common trend of posts you're making that are all relating to issues about the African American race (not that there is anything wrong with that mind you), and I'm wondering to myself, do you actually care about the issues at hand in these kind of topics? or do you only care about the African American race? I'm with I-Miss-MJ in that regardless of wether it was a Black, White, Hispanic, Asian person involved here, a Human was shot (or shot at) 50 times by "law enforcment" officers. I'm just under the impression that you're only concerned because an African American was killed here and that you would'nt have cared if it was a member of another race. I'm not having a go at you, I'm just curious.
<div class="quote_poster">NTC187 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I'm not playing the race card at all, I'm just seeing a common trend of posts you're making that are all relating to issues about the African American race (not that there is anything wrong with that mind you), and I'm wondering to myself, do you actually care about the issues at hand in these kind of topics? or do you only care about the African American race? I'm with I-Miss-MJ in that regardless of wether it was a Black, White, Hispanic, Asian person involved here, a Human was shot (or shot at) 50 times by "law enforcment" officers. I'm just under the impression that you're only concerned because an African American was killed here and that you would'nt have cared if it was a member of another race. I'm not having a go at you, I'm just curious.</div> reiterating the same point over and over again doesn't make your point my convincing btw. and just for added emphasis, here's what i said in response to that question. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">thats a laughably absurd deduction. first, lamenting the act itself is crying over spilt milk, cause unfortunately i can't bring sean bell back. since u claim to be familiar with american history, here's a refresher for u: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0428-04.htm. in case u were curious, african americans make up 17% of the american population and that figure is declining every year with hispanics moving in, hence all the talk about disproportional numbers in the article. thirdly, i think we all abhor the act (irrespective if race), its kinda part of the human condition to take such a stance. although, my purpose is to prevent arbitrary exercises of forces by the men in blue in the future. lastly, to avoid race in policing or any other matter in america for that matter is avoiding the perennial problem. here's the analogy: donald watson has to run the 100 metre dash in 4 weeks but he's 15 pounds over-weight(race). clearly if donald aspires to do well, he'll lose the bulge (challenge the status quo) but if he's content with just completing the race, he'll maintain the status quo with his weight.</div> i don't care if u and that dude are in agreement. plainly speaking- its evident u don't understand the issue, the sensitivity of the issue, the complexity and the correct questions to be asked in response.
<div class="quote_poster">NTC187 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I couldnt understand what the hell you were talking about.</div> re-read, and look up things u don't get. although, most that particular post focuses on ideas, so its more about u trying to make sense of my arguments.
<div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">reiterating the same point over and over again doesn't make your point my convincing btw. </div> lmao, I don't think he is trying to make a specific point. I'm assuming you're misinterpreting what he is asking you, because the way I see it, he's just asking you whether you would have made this thread had it been a white man that had been shot at 50 times. It's a simple yes or no answer; you responded by writing a full paragraph complete with some next analogy.
<div class="quote_poster">Karma Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">lmao, I don't think he is trying to make a specific point. I'm assuming you're misinterpreting what he is asking you, because the way I see it, he's just asking you whether you would have made this thread had it been a white man that had been shot at 50 times. It's a simple yes or no answer; you responded by writing a full paragraph complete with some next analogy. </div> Thank you. I didnt need some sort of Malcolm X speech as an answer, Yes or No would've been fine.
<div class="quote_poster">Karma Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">lmao, I don't think he is trying to make a specific point. I'm assuming you're misinterpreting what he is asking you, because the way I see it, he's just asking you whether you would have made this thread had it been a white man that had been shot at 50 times. It's a simple yes or no answer; you responded by writing a full paragraph complete with some next analogy.</div> no absolutes in serious matters. to that end, yes and no are simple conclusions, race isn't simple, hence the paragraph.
I don't really get the point of the question. deception didn't even mention race when he posted the thread. He focused more on the fact that the police were unwilling to take responsibility for their actions.
