For Seattle it would be tough. They would have to pay nearly $8 mil to qualify. Their goal in this whole thing is to claim that the poison pill is not a primary tenet of the agreement.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vikingfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>For Seattle it would be tough. They would have to pay nearly $8 mil to qualify. Their goal in this whole thing is to claim that the poison pill is not a primary tenet of the agreement.</div> It happened before with a restricted FA. They added a provision specifically barring BS like this. The great thing is during whole extension of this, it ties up vikes cap room.
Seattle will keep Hutch... <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Associated Press SEATTLE -- The Seattle Seahawks have apparently maneuvered themselves into position to keep All-Pro guard Steve Hutchinson, an attorney for the NFL's players' union said Monday. Hutchinson's contract was the subject of a hearing in Philadelphia where a special master was to decide how much of the Minnesota Vikings' offer the Seahawks must match to keep Hutchinson, considered a key to Seattle's run to the Super Bowl this year. The Vikings seven-year offer included $16 million guaranteed and would be the richest deal ever given to a guard. But the contract also contained a provision that would guarantee the entire $49 million if Hutchinson is not the team's highest-paid offensive lineman at any time after the first year of the contract. The league and the Seahawks argued on Monday that Seattle didn't have to match that provision. But Richard Berthelsen, an attorney for the NFL Players Association who attended the hearing, told The Associated Press that the Seahawks told the special master on Monday that the team had restructured the contract of six-time Pro Bowl tackle Walter Jones, currently Seattle's highest-paid offensive linemen, to avoid the conflict. Jones received $54.5 million -- with up to $20 million in a signing bonus and incentives -- over seven years to remain a Seahawk last April. Berthelsen said the Seahawks told the special master that Jones had agreed to add an eighth, voidable year to his deal. That would mean Jones' annual base salary would dip to $6.81 million -- just below Hutchinson's $7 million annual average if Seattle matched Minnesota's offer. Thus, the Seahawks would not have to guarantee the rest of Hutchinson's new deal. The Seahawks did not immediately return phone calls seeking comment.</div>
Gee, who was it that said they would just restructure Jones and make Hutch the highest lineman for the year? oh yeah, it was me....seriously, this was a BS trick the Vikings tried to pull and I cant believe it was upheld....whats next, the Jets and Giants putting in stipulations that the player has to be in the largest media market or get $50 million guaranteed? Its all crap....one thing this does if it sets a legal precedence, it will make teams use the Franchise tag instead of the transition....had the Seahawks used that, they would have taken the Vikings next 2 1sts instead....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'>Gee, who was it that said they would just restructure Jones and make Hutch the highest lineman for the year? oh yeah, it was me....seriously, this was a BS trick the Vikings tried to pull and I cant believe it was upheld....whats next, the Jets and Giants putting in stipulations that the player has to be in the largest media market or get $50 million guaranteed? Its all crap....one thing this does if it sets a legal precedence, it will make teams use the Franchise tag instead of the transition....had the Seahawks used that, they would have taken the Vikings next 2 1sts instead....</div> Not so fast... Seattle lost the hearing and they have until midnight to match the offer.. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2377300
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'>Gee, who was it that said they would just restructure Jones and make Hutch the highest lineman for the year? oh yeah, it was me....seriously, this was a BS trick the Vikings tried to pull and I cant believe it was upheld....whats next, the Jets and Giants putting in stipulations that the player has to be in the largest media market or get $50 million guaranteed? Its all crap....one thing this does if it sets a legal precedence, it will make teams use the Franchise tag instead of the transition....had the Seahawks used that, they would have taken the Vikings next 2 1sts instead....</div> Not so fast... Seattle lost the hearing and they have until midnight to match the offer.. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2377300</div> From what i read on sportsline, they have to gaurantee whole contract. This is BS. Pure and simple. BS
Heres the deal: they lost the hearing so they have to guarantee the whole contract IF they dont meet its stipulations....losing the hearing made it so they had to include that clause that Hutchenson had to be the highest paid o-lineman on the team in the 1st year....Minnesota put that in as a deterent because the deal as structured would make him second to Walter Jones, but the Seahawks were smart enough to add an 8th option year to Jones's existing deal, lowering his avg yearly salary and allowing hutchenson to be paid more this year....so they can match the terms of the deal, and they wont have to guarantee the whol contract....I really think this ruling sucks and teams will be using the Franchise Tag more, instead of the transition tag....
I just read the ESPN article and it has some serious backward thinking....it stated, that at the time that the Viking made the offer, if the Seahawks matched it, Hutchenson would not have qualified as the teams highest paid lineman, and therefore, that part of deal cant be matched.....if you can put in stipulations that cant be matched under any circumstance, then its wrong....Minnesota made a strategic move and Seattle countered it....seems to me that you have 7 days to match the offer, but the arbitrator ruled that if your not in a position to match it immediately,then your 7 days dont count.....this cant be right
As the great Artie Lange would say in this kinda situation "OH WAH HA" I didn't get the decision that I wanted "OH WAH HA" we're losing Hutchinson to Minnesota "OH WAH HA". It's pretty simple, the Seahawks has to match the Vikings offer exactly. If the Seahawks serious about keeping him they should match it exactly or they should of tried to sign him before the trading period or slapped a franchise tag on him. If they would of slapped a franchise tag on him I don't if the Vikings would have gone after him. If they did Seattle would have gotten compensation. If Hutchinson ends up with the Vikings, it's all on Seattle's hands because they had other options and decided not to use them.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ranman)</div><div class='quotemain'>As the great Artie Lange would say in this kinda situation "OH WAH HA" I didn't get the decision that I wanted "OH WAH HA" we're losing Hutchinson to Minnesota "OH WAH HA". It's pretty simple, the Seahawks has to match the Vikings offer exactly. If the Seahawks serious about keeping him they should match it exactly or they should of tried to sign him before the trading period or slapped a franchise tag on him. If they would of slapped a franchise tag on him I don't if the Vikings would have gone after him. If they did Seattle would have gotten compensation. If Hutchinson ends up with the Vikings, it's all on Seattle's hands because they had other options and decided not to use them.</div> Well, when someone signs one of your free agents, and they put a clause in that his whole contract is gauranteed with a 10,000% escalator if the team isnt in MN. and your team moves and matches and you no longer have team. I dont want to hear you bitching. btw, my team didnt lose hutch. My team was aided by this deal.
Well, if they end up moving, I guess I'm going to have to become a Packers fan. Then I'll have dislike you a little bit more
Does anyone know what Hutchinson feels about all of this crap? Or is he just riding out, doesn't care where he's playing, just wants to go wherever the money is? You'd think he'd want to return to the Seahawks, but like said, does anyone know how he feels? I haven't seen any interviews or anything.
My team isnt Seattle or Minnesota, but Ill tell you this is straight out bullshit....when you match, you must match the terms of the deal....the NFLPA is arguing that you must match the terms and CONDITIONS of the deal.....from what I saw, this isnt over....the arbitor ruled that Seattle had to match all the terms of the deal, but said nothing about the conditions....the condition in question, was the date the deal was signed....for the NFLPA to argue that you have 7 days to match the terms, but in that time, no conditions can change is lunacy, because clearly, conditions change everyday, especially at that time of year.....consider this scenario, and we will see how you might feel: Minnesota makes Troy Williamson its transition player....a team signs him to a decent deal, but the contract stipulates that unless hes the only WR from the Universisty of South Carolina on your team, he gets a $20 million dollar bonus....now the signing team has no WRs from SC so they dont care, but you have Marcus Robinson so you would have to cough up the bonus....so you decide you would rather have Williamson and you release a player you dont want to release in Robinson, and match the deal.....then the other team argues that at the time Williamson signed the offer sheet, you did have another WR from South Carolina, so you couldnt meet the conditions stated and you do owe the $20 million....is that a fair stipulation? Give me an honest answer, I dare you!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Titans_Buckeyes)</div><div class='quotemain'>Does anyone know what Hutchinson feels about all of this crap? Or is he just riding out, doesn't care where he's playing, just wants to go wherever the money is? You'd think he'd want to return to the Seahawks, but like said, does anyone know how he feels? I haven't seen any interviews or anything.</div> Oh I can tell you that.. With all my confidence I can say that Hutch is one of the happiest men in football. Either way he gets paid and makes a lot of $$$
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Titans_Buckeyes)</div><div class='quotemain'>Does anyone know what Hutchinson feels about all of this crap? Or is he just riding out, doesn't care where he's playing, just wants to go wherever the money is? You'd think he'd want to return to the Seahawks, but like said, does anyone know how he feels? I haven't seen any interviews or anything.</div> Oh I can tell you that.. With all my confidence I can say that Hutch is one of the happiest men in football. Either way he gets paid and makes a lot of $$$</div> He wanted out or he wouldnt have done a clause that prevents team from matching
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'>is that a fair stipulation? Give me an honest answer, I dare you!</div> I think it's dirty, sneaky, and smart as well. No way is this fair for Seattle but I doubt that the Vikings care what Seattle fans and their front office thinks.. Minnesota is probably going to end up with their guy and Seattle is going to get screwed and end up with nothing.. My only worry is that other teams follow their trend.. In away though I don't feel to bad for Seattle. They could of applied the franchise tag on him and spend I think 700,000 $$$ more and if someone made a contract offer to Hutch Seattle would of gotten 2 1st round Draft picks..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'>is that a fair stipulation? Give me an honest answer, I dare you!</div> I think it's dirty, sneaky, and smart as well. No way is this fair for Seattle but I doubt that the Vikings care what Seattle fans and their front office thinks.. Minnesota is probably going to end up with their guy and Seattle is going to get screwed and end up with nothing.. My only worry is that other teams follow their trend.. In away though I don't feel to bad for Seattle. They could of applied the franchise tag on him and spend I think 700,000 $$$ more and if someone made a contract offer to Hutch Seattle would of gotten 2 1st round Draft picks..</div> I think it is sweet that MN has overpaid this much for a GAURD!!! It is hilarious, he is good, dont get me wrong, but obviously about the money, i expect a small to medium dropoff in production, meaning he wont be worth it
if this stands, its the end of the transition tag....its too risky, when the franchise tag is almost the same price....
