This is so late, but this has been bugging me ever since Shaq was sent to Miami, and i wasnt going to start a thread about but i really need to know, were there any other offers for Shaq besides the one from the Heat, if so what were they?
I'm guessing that their weren't since that's the one that went down. I really wish that we'd just traded Shaq for KG, straight up. It would have worked salary cap wise, both teams would have been better off for it and LA would be racking up titles while the Wolves may have gotten one at best.
I've always wondered why we didn't trade Shaq straight up for Garnett. My guess is that the Timberwolves rejected the proposal. I think Shaq wanted to go to a city where the weather was warm.
Yeah I believe so but Mitch didnt want to trade to a conference rival. He wanted to send Shaq to the East and Miami was the best option. Imagine the Mavs with Shaq and Nowitzky it would have been total domination. Mark Cuban also said he wasn't going to trade Nowitzky for Shaq and the Lakers were pursuing Nowitzky.
<div class="quote_poster">Trench Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I wish we would have gotten Wade, Butler, and Odom in the deal. That would have been sick!!</div>I actually think that was a possibility if I remember right. Too bad we have an idiot for a GM that can't seem to get much right.
<div class="quote_poster">Moo2K4 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I actually think that was a possibility if I remember right. Too bad we have an idiot for a GM that can't seem to get much right.</div> No way, sorry I don't believe that. However, I think Mitch has done some nice things lately...Andrew Bynum, Jordan Farmar, Vlad Rad, Mo Evans. This guy is smart. I trust that he will do the right thing and get us KG.
The guy is a moron if you ask me. Prior to this year, the best thing he'd done was resigning Kobe Bryant, and he had next to nothing to do with that. Hell, he damn near let him slip away from us. Last year he couldn't get us Artest (though I think I'm happy about that, cause we might have parted ways with Odom), signing Radman hasn't quite panned out yet, Shamu has been a waste, McKie has been a waste, Evans was a steal even though he hasn't been as good as some may have wanted, Divac was a waste, he probably could have done better on the Shaq trade, the only thing he gets right is the draft. That's it. Trading Butler for Kwame, while it might have been somewhat of a necessity for our frontcourts sake, has looked like a complete steal for the Wiz with how well Butler has played in his year plus there. And I highly doubt he gets us KG. He just doesn't have it in him to make that bold of a trade. The only way we're going to land him is if he opts out after this year and he's willing to take a paycut to play with us. That's it. If you ask me, if Isiah Thomas didn't exist, we might have the worst GM in all of the NBA. He just doesn't get it done.
<div class="quote_poster">Moo2K4 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">signing Radman hasn't quite panned out yet</div> Well, Radmanovic has been playing pretty well lately. His shot is starting to falll, and he's looking more and more comfortable on the court. I think you can say his early struggles were due to the fact that he was playing with a hand injury <div class="quote_poster">Moo2K4 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Evans was a steal even though he hasn't been as good as some may have wanted</div> He hasn't been as good as some may have wanted?? I don't know what you expected out of him (maybe 20 ppg), but he has definetly surprised me. <div class="quote_poster">Moo2K4 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Trading Butler for Kwame, while it might have been somewhat of a necessity for our frontcourts sake, has looked like a complete steal for the Wiz with how well Butler has played in his year plus there.</div> I can't say it was a complete steal by the Wiz. I can't say it was a complete steal by the Lakers either. This trade benefited both sides. Kwame has given us a good low-post presence and has been holding his own on the defensive end. Butler has given the Wizards a much needed offensive boost. I think this trade helped out both teams, because even if we somehow did have Caron Butler, where would we give him the minutes? Also, this team doesn't need more offense. We are fine on offense. The only reason why we have been losing games this season was because of how piss poor our defense has played. Caron Butler for Kwame Brown has worked out well for both sides. No team got the lower end of the stick IMO <div class="quote_poster">Moo2K4 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">If you ask me, if Isiah Thomas didn't exist, we might have the worst GM in all of the NBA. He just doesn't get it done.</div> 2nd worse. Billy King is the worst. Mitch, to his credit, has actually done a pretty decent job this off-season, although it doesn't make up for all the crap he did before. Now, if he somehow got us KG without giving up Odom or Bynum, Mitch can undo all his wrongs
Yeah, I feel you. That's kinda the thing, we could have parted ways with Lamar and some others to get Artest cause AT THE TIME we were all up on that trade. Now, it seems that it worked out better for us that we didn't aquire him. About Butler, maybe Butler just wasn't built for the triangle? But it's hard to say. It's so hard to compare that years team with what we going right now cause there are so many different variables. All in All, yeah Mitch has done some suspect moves in the past, but I think he is starting to get his mind right and start making smarter moves.
<div class="quote_poster">Brian Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Well, Radmanovic has been playing pretty well lately. His shot is starting to falll, and he's looking more and more comfortable on the court. I think you can say his early struggles were due to the fact that he was playing with a hand injury He hasn't been as good as some may have wanted?? I don't know what you expected out of him (maybe 20 ppg), but he has definetly surprised me. I can't say it was a complete steal by the Wiz. I can't say it was a complete steal by the Lakers either. This trade benefited both sides. Kwame has given us a good low-post presence and has been holding his own on the defensive end. Butler has given the Wizards a much needed offensive boost. I think this trade helped out both teams, because even if we somehow did have Caron Butler, where would we give him the minutes? Also, this team doesn't need more offense. We are fine on offense. The only reason why we have been losing games this season was because of how piss poor our defense has played. Caron Butler for Kwame Brown has worked out well for both sides. No team got the lower end of the stick IMO 2nd worse. Billy King is the worst. Mitch, to his credit, has actually done a pretty decent job this off-season, although it doesn't make up for all the crap he did before. Now, if he somehow got us KG without giving up Odom or Bynum, Mitch can undo all his wrongs</div> Great post
<div class="quote_poster">Brian Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Well, Radmanovic has been playing pretty well lately. His shot is starting to falll, and he's looking more and more comfortable on the court. I think you can say his early struggles were due to the fact that he was playing with a hand injury</div>Lately, he's been playing well. What about the first month? I realize he was hurt, but my god, he wasn't making anything. Hell, he was tentative just to shoot the ball, which is the exact reason why we brought him here. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">He hasn't been as good as some may have wanted?? I don't know what you expected out of him (maybe 20 ppg), but he has definetly surprised me.</div>By no means was I expecting 20ppg, as that'd be just crazy. However, I was expecting a consistent 6th man, and he really hasn't been that. His defense hasn't been nearly as good as advertised and his offense has been streaky. He's been solid, but if you aks me, he's not as good as what I figured, especially defensively. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I can't say it was a complete steal by the Wiz. I can't say it was a complete steal by the Lakers either. This trade benefited both sides. Kwame has given us a good low-post presence and has been holding his own on the defensive end. Butler has given the Wizards a much needed offensive boost. I think this trade helped out both teams, because even if we somehow did have Caron Butler, where would we give him the minutes? Also, this team doesn't need more offense. We are fine on offense. The only reason why we have been losing games this season was because of how piss poor our defense has played. Caron Butler for Kwame Brown has worked out well for both sides. No team got the lower end of the stick IMO</div>I never said this was a bad trade for the Lakers (note taht I said it was a necessity). But regardless, the Wiz got the better player. Kwame took 3/4 of a season last year before he decided to show up on the offensive side, though his defense was solid, so that mostly made up for it. Believe me, I'm not really complaining about this trade, cause I feel Kwame has come and really filled the role we needed out of him, I'm just saying the Wiz got the better part of the deal (well...until they have to shell out a large amount of cash to keep him). <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">2nd worse. Billy King is the worst. Mitch, to his credit, has actually done a pretty decent job this off-season, although it doesn't make up for all the crap he did before. Now, if he somehow got us KG without giving up Odom or Bynum, Mitch can undo all his wrongs</div>Only this offseason though. And even then, some of his moves have been suspect (Shamu in particular), and before this one, his moves were garbage. It's bad when your main FA acquisition is Aaron McKie...very bad. To his credit though, he's drafted well, but as stated earlier, that's about it.
<div class="quote_poster">Moo2K4 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Lately, he's been playing well. What about the first month? I realize he was hurt, but my god, he wasn't making anything. Hell, he was tentative just to shoot the ball, which is the exact reason why we brought him here.</div> Yeah, well that was because he was hurt. I understand your point though. I was disappointed at first as well, but you've got to realize that for a shooter to be playing with an injured hand, he's not going to give you much. It's good to see him finally starting to turn the corner <div class="quote_poster">Moo2K4 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">By no means was I expecting 20ppg, as that'd be just crazy. However, I was expecting a consistent 6th man, and he really hasn't been that. His defense hasn't been nearly as good as advertised and his offense has been streaky. He's been solid, but if you aks me, he's not as good as what I figured, especially defensively.</div> I think a lot of it has to do with the amount of minutes he has been given. Up until the last couple of games, Mo Evans hasn't really seen that much playing time on the court. Over the last couple of games, he has seen more minutes and has produced. His defense, I agree with you completely. He has made some hustle plays here and there (offensive rebounds and putback dunks), but yeah, his defense so far hasn't been anything "special," although it hasn't been horrible either. As for his consistency? He has had consistency problems throughout his career, if I remember correctly. I thought the biggest knock against Mo Evans when he was traded here was his inconsistency?? <div class="quote_poster">Moo2K4 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I never said this was a bad trade for the Lakers (note taht I said it was a necessity). But regardless, the Wiz got the better player. Kwame took 3/4 of a season last year before he decided to show up on the offensive side, though his defense was solid, so that mostly made up for it. Believe me, I'm not really complaining about this trade, cause I feel Kwame has come and really filled the role we needed out of him, I'm just saying the Wiz got the better part of the deal (well...until they have to shell out a large amount of cash to keep him).</div> Yeah, both teams have benefited from the trade. I bet if Kwame were still playing with the Wizards, he wouldn't be half the player he is today. <div class="quote_poster">Moo2K4 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Only this offseason though. And even then, some of his moves have been suspect (Shamu in particular), and before this one, his moves were garbage. It's bad when your main FA acquisition is Aaron McKie...very bad. To his credit though, he's drafted well, but as stated earlier, that's about it.</div> I agree completely
Both of you bring up good points. Acquiring Wade in that trade would have been pretty dumb IMO. Why would we need Wade when we got Kobe? Wade is too good to be a backup shooting guard.
<div class="quote_poster">illmatic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Both of you bring up good points. Acquiring Wade in that trade would have been pretty dumb IMO. Why would we need Wade when we got Kobe? Wade is too good to be a backup shooting guard.</div> Uh......Wade would be our point guard
<div class="quote_poster">illmatic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Acquiring Wade in that trade would have been pretty dumb IMO. Why would we need Wade when we got Kobe? Wade is too good to be a backup shooting guard.</div> Dwyane Wade played a little bit of point guard in his rookie year and he can actually play both guard positions (he did in college). This is why some analysts were skeptical about him because he was labeled a tweener. I'm sure the Lakers would have found some way to get them both on the court. Whether it meant moving Wade to point guard or Kobe to small forward (like Houston did when they acquired McGrady), they would have gotten them minutes.
Yeah... I didn't think it through completely. I don't even know why I said the backup SG part. Wade would have been in his what, 2nd year? I didn't follow him much back then, how good was he early on? I just figured he'd be at SG. But, I kinda like Swish's idea better about Kobe moving to SF and Wade at SG. I'm not sure how those two would coexist, either way, I highly doubt it was possible for us to aquire Wade during that trade.
i do know that lakers were pursuing wade but riley wouldnt let him go, he said that wade was untouchable
There is noway we can get Wade, not even a Shaq for Wade straight up. Wade was probably the face of their franchise even during that time. anyway, I believe the Kings offer us C-Webb, Mike Bibby for Shaq and some other. Also the Pacers offer O'Neal for O'Neal but not sure. As far the value of Shaq goes, Odom, Butler, and Grant are probably the best offer on the table. What I hate is we should get Eddie Jones, instead of Grant.
