<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>72.1 qb rating??? Call the hall of fame!!!! Tell them cancel the mccown bust. He is a big enough bust on his own.</div> Well; if that's the case then Jay Feidler & Ron Mexico are Canton Bound.</div> McCown does seem to have a hype machine pushing him in the media outlets. He is in the ron mexico class perhaps
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zackman)</div><div class='quotemain'>I believe history repeats itself.</div> I don't disagree, but its also been stated that history is written by the victors. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zackman)</div><div class='quotemain'>Let's hope Mike Martz can...</div> Putting hope in Martz? Wow!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zackman)</div><div class='quotemain'>I believe history repeats itself.</div> I don't disagree, but its also been stated that history is written by the victors. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zackman)</div><div class='quotemain'>Let's hope Mike Martz can...</div> Putting hope in Martz? Wow!</div> Martz is certainly a winner and in McCown's 22 starts in <u>Arizonia</u> he went 10-12! Now that's impressive! Mike Martz and his new project Josh McCown.
[quote name='Zackman'][quote name='blackadder'][quote name='Zackman']I believe history repeats itself.[/quote] I don't disagree, but its also been stated that history is written by the victors. [quote name='Zackman']Let's hope Mike Martz can...[/quote] Putting hope in Martz? Wow![/quote] Martz is certainly a winner and in McCown's 22 starts in <u>Arizonia</u> he went 10-12! Now that's impressive! http://www.mlive.com/images/lions/l_060321_martz_mccown.jpg Mike Martz and his new project Josh McCown.[/quote] 10-12 isn't that impressive really.. Last I checked but that's still a losing record..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'>10-12 isn't that impressive really.. Last I checked but that's still a losing record..</div> When you factor in the fact that Arizona was <u>5-11 last year</u> and are <u>30-66 in the past 6 years</u>, it is impressive. Think about it
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zackman)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'>10-12 isn't that impressive really.. Last I checked but that's still a losing record..</div> When you factor in the fact that Arizona was <u>5-11 last year</u> and are <u>30-66 in the past 6 years</u>, it is impressive. Think about it</div> Considering that McCowan could of been one of the reasons why they were bad and considering he put up below average numbers with the best WR tandem in football it proves to me that he's a career backup in the league.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zackman)</div><div class='quotemain'>When you factor in the fact that Arizona was <u>5-11 last year</u> and are <u>30-66 in the past 6 years</u>, it is impressive. Think about it</div> 30-66 averaged out over 5 yrs comes to 5-11. Impressive? Hardly! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zackman)</div><div class='quotemain'>Martz is certainly a winner and in McCown's 22 starts in Arizonia he went 10-12! Now that's impressive!</div> Martz is a winner in the caliber of Barry Switzer. Specifically, he does fine with another coaches personnel. Martz was leading the Rams back into the mediocrity they ascended from prior to '99. Speaking of mediocre, 10-12 comes to roughly 7 wins over the course of a full NFL season. Again, really not impressive.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder)</div><div class='quotemain'>30-66 averaged out over 5 yrs comes to 5-11. Impressive? Hardly!</div> blackadder = baddivider it's six seasons smart guy. Plus, I agree that Arizona is a pathitic organization. That was my point of the stat. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder)</div><div class='quotemain'>Martz is a winner, he does fine with another coaches personnel.</div> I agree 100% and the 2006 Lions will be Marinelli's personnal. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder)</div><div class='quotemain'>Speaking of mediocre, 10-12 comes to roughly 7 wins over the course of a full NFL season. Again, really not impressive.</div> You fail to take into concideration that the Cardinals had a .313 winning percentage last year and have the same lowly .313 winning percentage over the last six years. When a young QB like McCown steps in and puts up a .454 winning percentage in 22 starts for the NFL's All-Time doormat team it IS impressive. It's why so many sports writers agree with me on the McCown/Martz possibilities.
Initially, I thought you were talking about Stats for the Lions. I hope Detroit would have higher expectations than that. You are right; AZ is pathetic. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zackman)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder)</div><div class='quotemain'>30-66 averaged out over 5 yrs comes to 5-11. Impressive? Hardly!</div> blackadder = baddivider it's six seasons smart guy. Plus, I agree that Arizona is a pathitic organization. That was my point of the stat.</div> Its more like bA is a terrible typist; 30-66 over 6 (not 5 as originally typed)years comes to 5-11.
isnt it kind of sad that Detriot has been so bad the last few years that people are excited about Josh McCown. lol that just says something right there
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J-E-T-S 1083)</div><div class='quotemain'>Patrick Ramsey can be the next Joe Namath, lets hope it happens</div> That he constantly drinks, wants to kiss a good looking female sideline reporter, & makes an ass out of himself in the process????</div> yuck yuck yuck, i would have said Dan Marino but he wasnt a Superbowl MVP, so whatever
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J-E-T-S 1083)</div><div class='quotemain'>isnt it kind of sad that Detriot has been so bad the last few years that people are excited about Josh McCown. lol that just says something right there</div> It's the combination of Martz and McCown that's got people optimistic. Add that to the fact that Joey Harrington is being run out of town and we're giddy!
Josh is one of my heroes! He converted another big 4th down play that was over shadowed by "4th and 26" later on that year. I think it was 4th and 25 when McCown heaved that toss into the endzone for Nate Poole sending the Packers into the Playoffs. I hope he does well even though I think John Kitna will end up the starter. However You know if McCown does win the Job I say Kitna may ask to be cut and may end up back with Cincy depending on what kind of deal he signed.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FLORIDA PACKER)</div><div class='quotemain'>However You know if McCown does win the Job I say Kitna may ask to be cut and may end up back with Cincy depending on what kind of deal he signed.</div> i dont think so i think Kitna knew going into the Lions job that he was going to have to compete for the job with someone, i think he'll try his best and sit if he is asked to sit, hes a respectable guy, and why would he ask to be cut if he backs up McCown. Would you rather backup McCown or Carson Palmer. Hmmm toughy
Very very true, And you never know with Detroit they may have a QB Carosouel going on over there next season.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FLORIDA PACKER)</div><div class='quotemain'>However You know if McCown does win the Job I say Kitna may ask to be cut and may end up back with Cincy depending on what kind of deal he signed.</div> QB race will be amicable Don't expect much hatred from the upcoming quarterback competition. <u>March 23, Oakland Press</u>: What the Lions ended up with are two quarterbacks bubbling over with excitement. Right now, they're saying all the right stuff. <u>Both Kitna and McCown are extremely religious and insist there'll be no back stabbing or bitterness. Both assured that their deep Christian beliefs will not allow it. </u> But each is certain this is his best chance to start again in the NFL. And one will be shot down hard. "I don't think either one of us will be," McCown maintained. "Just knowing the kind of person he is and knowing who I am and what our faith is, I don't think either one of us will be that way. I think that we both have the same goal in mind, which is to lead this team to a championship and to win football games. "And so, if he does that, then I'll be excited for our team. We lost for four years in Arizona, and I want to win. I want to be a part of a championship. I want to go to the playoffs. Absolutely, do I want to be on the fi eld? Yes, and I'm going to compete my tail off. But at the end of the day, if Jon's the guy, I'm not going to be bitter about it. I'm going to root Jon on like crazy to go out and win football games."
Another writer agrees McCown has huge upside potential. <u>Clark Judge: McCown under-the-radar</u> In his free agency scorecard column on CBS SportsLine, Clark Judge has Josh McCown listed on the "under the radar" signings. Here's what he has to say. March 31, CBS SportsLine: 3. Josh McCown, Detroit: Jon Kitna is the frontrunner for the starter's job here, and he should be. He has experience. He has won. Plus, he has the right demeanor for this situation. But McCown could be a steal. He's young and talented and should thrive under the tutelage of Mike Martz. McCown completed 70 percent of his passes in his two games indoors last year, and that's good. So is his 10-12 record as a starter with a dreadful franchise. He said he wanted to go where he could start, and give him time. It could happen here.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zackman)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FLORIDA PACKER)</div><div class='quotemain'>However You know if McCown does win the Job I say Kitna may ask to be cut and may end up back with Cincy depending on what kind of deal he signed.</div> QB race will be amicable Don't expect much hatred from the upcoming quarterback competition. <u>March 23, Oakland Press</u>: What the Lions ended up with are two quarterbacks bubbling over with excitement. Right now, they're saying all the right stuff. <u>Both Kitna and McCown are extremely religious and insist there'll be no back stabbing or bitterness. Both assured that their deep Christian beliefs will not allow it. </u> But each is certain this is his best chance to start again in the NFL. And one will be shot down hard. "I don't think either one of us will be," McCown maintained. "Just knowing the kind of person he is and knowing who I am and what our faith is, I don't think either one of us will be that way. I think that we both have the same goal in mind, which is to lead this team to a championship and to win football games. "And so, if he does that, then I'll be excited for our team. We lost for four years in Arizona, and I want to win. I want to be a part of a championship. I want to go to the playoffs. Absolutely, do I want to be on the fi eld? Yes, and I'm going to compete my tail off. But at the end of the day, if Jon's the guy, I'm not going to be bitter about it. I'm going to root Jon on like crazy to go out and win football games."</div> Oh I didn't expect it all, It was more or less wishful thinking, I can't imagine Kitna in anything other than a Bengals Jersey(even though he did play for the Hawks) and seeing him in that Detroit Blue would just seem weird.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zackman)</div><div class='quotemain'>Bears, Packers and Vikings fans, get ready for the "Brown Bomber" to make you laught when you see a brown spot on his pants. </div> Looks like someone is trying to take a shit?
