might not,is the best if you watch the game lakers vs sacramento last night hes was playing versus the best perimeter defender in the nba Ron Artest and Kobe makes all of the clutch shots versus him that said all.
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe also shutdown Artest and Martin.</div> Kobe had 42 points, 10 rebounds, and <font color=""Red"">9 assists</font>. Kobe scored 42 points when being guarded by Artest pretty much the whole game
I thought Kobe was awesome yesterday. I didn't watch the whole game; did he really shut down Martin and Artest? It seemed to me that the Kings just didn't run many plays for them. Kobe did a good job defending the play at the end of regulation, though. He denied the pass from Williamson to Martin who was cutting to the basket.
<div class="quote_poster">durvasa Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I thought Kobe was awesome yesterday. I didn't watch the whole game; did he really shut down Martin and Artest? It seemed to me that the Kings just didn't run many plays for them. Kobe did a good job defending the play at the end of regulation, though. He denied the pass from Williamson to Martin who was cutting to the basket.</div> He was dictating Martin's movement and beating him to the spots. Martin moves well without the basketball, but Kobe was aggressive fighting through picks and forcing Martin to take uncomfortable shots with a hand in his face.
The spots where Artest was out with foul trouble was when Kobe heated up. Also, I never saw him guard Artest once all night. He did do a pretty good job on Martin, but like Charles said, they weren't running any plays for him. I do think Kobe played really well
<div class="quote_poster">XSV Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The spots where Artest was out with foul trouble was when Kobe heated up. Also, I never saw him guard Artest once all night. He did do a pretty good job on Martin, but like Charles said, they weren't running any plays for him. I do think Kobe played really well</div> Martin took 12 shots and got to the free throw line 14 times. He only averages 13 FGA's a game, so what are you talking about? He had plenty of touches in this game.
Well I kept hearing Chuck saying "they're not running any plays for him," so I drew the conclusion from that. Either way, he scored his average of 21 points on 50% shooting in less than 40 minutes, so I don't see how Kobe "shut him down." Artest also got his average on 50%, and he fouled out early, so I don't see how he was shut down either (although I don't remember Kobe ever guarding him).
<div class="quote_poster">XSV Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Well I kept hearing Chuck saying "they're not running any plays for him," so I drew the conclusion from that. Either way, he scored his average of 21 points on 50% shooting in less than 40 minutes, so I don't see how Kobe "shut him down." Artest also got his average on 50%, and he fouled out early, so I don't see how he was shut down either (although I don't remember Kobe ever guarding him).</div> Chuck's comments don't make any sense. The Kings ran the pick & roll almost exclusively in the second half, and Martin was getting his shots within the offense. The Kings don't do run a lot of isolation plays, especially not for Martin. Did you watch the game, or did you just look up the boxscore? Kobe Bryant made Martin's life miserable when the King's were on offense. He shadowed him all over the court. Martin only had 6 points in the 1st half. He did the majority of his scoring in the 4th quarter from the FT line, while Kobe was on the bench and Sacramento went on a run. Kevin Martin was a -18 last night for the Kings.
<div class="quote_poster">sportsaholic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The case for Dwyane Wade: Dwyane Wade is a fantastic young player, and has earned the respect of basketball fans around the world. He's only 24, and has a ring, and a NBA Championship MVP. How many 24 year old super stars have done that? Not a lot if you ask me. Now, let's take a look at the stats..28.6points per game, along with 8.2 assist. So, he can dish out the assist and shoot the basketball, which a lot of people can't do. That's pretty good..Do you see anyone else doing that? No. So, I think you need to consider Dwayne Wade for being the best in the NBA. </div> Just because a guy averages a high ppg and apg doesn't make him the best. Many other aspects in the game; defense, the ability to score from anywhere on the court. My recollection his best attribute is getting to the basket and scoring (which attributes the apg). Until he starts locking down other players and shows better range. I can't consider him the best. <div class="quote_poster">sportsaholic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> The case for Kobe Bryant: As you may know, I hate Kobe Bryant, but that doesn't mean I think he isn't a good basketball player, but if your going to be the best in the NBA, then you better be able to win by yourself, and he hasen't done that yet. Now don't get me wrong here, he's a great basketball player, but he's not winning like great basketball players like him should. Now, the stats aren't that bad for him, though, but he need's to be getting more assist and rebounds. I personally don't think that a 6'6 basketball player like him should be adverging only 5 rebounds a game. He should be getting about 7 a game, along with a few more assist. Also, he needs to shut his mouth sometimes, and if your going to be as good as he is, then you better have a good reputation.</div> Kobe is having a great year, he is one of two players in the Western Conference(the better conference) listed here. Not only is he doing well; I do believe they are winning (10 games above .500) with that said he has turned into a team player taking 8 less shots a game and shooting higher %'s across the board. Oh, he is doing all this without his 2nd best player; Odom. And their top defensive big man; Kwame. So your argument about him not being able to win like a great player should doesn't make sense; Wade has a losing record in a lEastern Conference, he is by himself isn't winning games. (Note I am arguing this only because you apply it to Kobe; but not Wade - I believe you need a solid 1-5 to win; not just 1) <div class="quote_poster">sportsaholic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> The case for LeBron James: I think LeBron James has lived up to his potential and is a great basketball player. Just take a look at his stats! 27 points a game while dishing out 6 assist and grabbing 6 rebounds. Not that bad! One thing I love about him is his power, and he's only 21 years old! He's built like a football player, if you ask me! He's 250 pounds! Was Jordan as powerful as that at 21? No! Am I saying that he is in the same league with Jordan? Only a fool would say that. He still has a lot to prove in his career, but the rate he is going, no telling what he can do.</div> Lebron is a great player; no doubt about. Same applies to him as Wade. Defense. Learn to play it. It's weird because from personal stats; he has regressed from last year. But really not that big of a deal considering he is still a monster from his team. Lebron should be considered a top player, but the best nah. <div class="quote_poster">sportsaholic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> The case for Gilbert Arenas: Is Arenas a great player? Yes. Is he the best? No. He has had a great year but, it's still early and he hasen't had a year like this before. If he has done this before then I would say he is the best but he hasen't. If he keep's it up then I will make this argument but he hasen't done this before, so we don't know if this will last threw out the year. Yes, he's adverging 30 point's a game and 6 assist but, his career adverge is 22 points and 5 assist a game, so he hasen't had a year like this before, so we don't know how long this will last. Also, he doesn't have an all around game. </div> Huh, ok. He needs to play like he has the last month for the rest of the year to be considered a the best player in the L. <div class="quote_poster">sportsaholic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> The case for Steve Nash: Yes, I am a Steve Nash fan, but I'll try to not be a homer here. I'll just get to the point... Steve Nash is a point guard and plays that possetion very well if you ask me, but one thing that make's him different from the rest of the players in the NBA. Let's face it, if Nash wanted to score 30 point's a game, he could. He could so that along with dishing out 11 assist, but the one thing that make's him different from everyone else is the magic you feel when he has the ball. You may ask, how can a guy who is adverging 20 point's a game be the best player in the NBA? This is why, he know's when and when not to take the shot. He isn't a player that just goes around shootong the ball. He's pass first, then shoot. One last thing for Nash. He make's the players around him better. Not that many players can do that. Did you know who Boris Diaw was with Atlanta? Probably not. Do you know who he is now? Yeah..So thats make case for Nash. </div> Nash is a hell of a player, no doubt about it. But he has one hell of a supporting cast. Amare, Marion, Barbosa, Diaw. All potential all stars (2 of whom are already). The point is, Give Wade, Kobe, Lebron those guys. They would be 2 time MVP also. On and at the end of the game; its about winning rings. Two guys on this list have won them. Kobe and Wade. One last thing I want to bring up. No Dirk? No Tim? No KG? Are you in love with perimeter players? Probably not; just the fact the league is built for them. If you want to read an interesting article about this; http://hoopshype.com/articles/defense_lazenby.htm
Also I never actually said who I thought was the best; Kobe. He has the best all around game, has proven to be clutch over the years. Mix in the factors his supporting cast; that they are playing in the Western Conference and the fact his team is winning. No doubt he is the best. I can't credit Nash with the success in PHX, they started winning when Amare came around. The Heat are going under like the titanic. Cleveland has been far from great this season; Lebron either. (hes been good, but we expected a lot more from him) Wiz keep up this play all year, than we can talk about Arenas being on this list. But...Kobe is the best. If you want an example go watch the Sacramento/LAL game.
<div class="quote_poster">XSV Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">If you want an example of how Wade is better, watch the LA/Heat game.</div> Uh lol, funny. A single regular season game determines nothing, this topic is going nowhere it seems.
<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Uh lol, funny. A single regular season game determines nothing, this topic is going nowhere it seems.</div> I know I was just responding to Tix' stupid comment with one of my own. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">But...Kobe is the best. If you want an example go watch the Sacramento/LAL game.</div>
<div class="quote_poster">XSV Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I know I was just responding to Tix' stupid comment with one of my own.</div> Yeah I see now. That's understandable.
<div class="quote_poster">XSV Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I know I was just responding to Tix' stupid comment with one of my own.</div> I am glad you are deciding to respond to 1/50th of my post, instead of the majority of it. But hey, I understand you can't make a simple rebuttal; Their isn't anything to say to what I said. It's the damn truth.
Also, buddy. If you arn't doing it in the regular season. You arn't doing it anywhere else. Looking @ a game where Kobe not only gets his teammates involved, but his team struggles when he walks off the floor. He than is the only guy to show up in OT and is willing to take a shot. Sure Wade had a hell of a day on xmas, but considering they were in Miami, lakers were wrapping up a 6 game road trip, kobe coming off the flu. It should be expected. I can dig up stats from last year but Kobe pretty much dominated last years match up, and they actually guarded each other the full game. I do believe D. Wright guarded Kobe the entire game, which he did a hell of a job, but youre kidding yourself if you think they played heads up the entire game, if at all. Doesn't matter at the rate Wade plays and sacrifices his body. I wouldn't be surprised to see him sidelined with these type of injuries often.
