<div class="quote_poster">Quoting sportsaholic:</div><div class="quote_post">He attempted over 45 shots today and had 4 assist. So much for passing.</div> He shot better then the team. If Kobe shoots 48% and the rest of the team shoots 44%, I'd rather Kobe take all the shots. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting sportsaholic:</div><div class="quote_post">How many game's did you start off at home? Yes, you need to play the game's you got but that helps...</div> All we can do is wait until the end of the season to see if the Lakers have a better record than last season. Also, in the beginning of this thread you were bashing Kobe for passing the ball, now your complaining he shoots too much?
<div class="quote_poster">Laker_fan Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">He shot better then the team. If Kobe shoots 48% and the rest of the team shoots 44%, I'd rather Kobe take all the shots.</div> Wasn't that the case last year too? Did you want Kobe to take even more shots last year then? The Lakers are better when everyone is involved. That's not all on Kobe though. His teammates need to have the confidence in themselves to just run the play and not continually defer to him when a big shot is needed.
There was no reason for Kobe to take 40 shots last night. He shot a decent percentage, but he broke away from the offense, and his teammates became spectators instead of getting involved in the flow. What's irritating are the shots the Lakers take with 20 seconds still left on the shotclock. Sasha launched a 3 pointer in transition Mo Evans had a couple Kobe had a handful And the Space Cadet also launched shots to early These low percentage bricks, lead to fastbreaks on the other end, or cheap fouls reaching out to stop the fastbreak. I don't think it's a matter of trusting one another this year. Kobe's teammates have earned his trust and he's doing what he can to keep them confident and productive. However, I don't think some of these players really trust the offense. Any chance they get to isolate or not make the extra pass, they proceed to break away from the Triangle and leads to a turnover or missed shot. There's a lot of possessions when Kobe goes to make a pass to the wingside and has to hold it up, because the player isn't in position to receive the pass and continue the ball movement. Kobe has to then point to the spot on the court to where the player should be and with precious seconds ticking off the clock, it turns into Kobe forcing up a tough shot.
<div class="quote_poster">durvasa Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Wasn't that the case last year too? Did you want Kobe to take even more shots last year then? The Lakers are better when everyone is involved. That's not all on Kobe though. His teammates need to have the confidence in themselves to just run the play and not continually defer to him when a big shot is needed.</div> I think you've misunderstood me. I've said previously in this thread that Kobe is playing better by passing the ball to his teammates. However, in this particular game, the team was not shooting well enough, hence Kobe had a right to take a bigger load of the shooting. Also, with Lamar Odom out, he's expected to take a bigger load of the scoring. Don't forget the game went into triple overtime as well.
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">There's a lot of possessions when Kobe goes to make a pass to the wingside and has to hold it up, because the player isn't in position to receive the pass and continue the ball movement. Kobe has to then point to the spot on the court to where the player should be and with precious seconds ticking off the clock, it turns into Kobe forcing up a tough shot.</div> Because he friggin hogs the ball so damn much they're probably thinking "What's the point of even running our offense" People say "Oh, Kobe was efficient though last night with his shoot percentage" That crap is deceiving. He may have been shooting close to 50%, but he was making the other 4 players stagnant on offense. There was only one time where he was in a "GROOVE" and I can't remember when that was, I think the 4th quarter where he made like 3 shots in a row, you can just tell something was clicking with him. Kobe needs to stop taking over the game and forgetting his teammates out there. We are not using him correctly. Then when he decides to pass to them, oh they're supposed to do something spectacular with it and if his teammmates miss a shot, then they suck. ALl I know is I want Lamar Odom back, and I can't wait for that.
And one more staggering fact for you guys: Kobe takes 45 shots and NO ONE else on the team shoots more than 10 shots. And those who did shoot 10, Parker was 5/10, Luke was 5/10, and Kwame was 4/10. In 3 overtimes and only 1 player shoots more than 10 FG's, that's crap.
<div class="quote_poster">illmatic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Because he friggin hogs the ball so damn much they're probably thinking "What's the point of even running our offense" People say "Oh, Kobe was efficient though last night with his shoot percentage" That crap is deceiving. He may have been shooting close to 50%, but he was making the other 4 players stagnant on offense. There was only one time where he was in a "GROOVE" and I can't remember when that was, I think the 4th quarter where he made like 3 shots in a row, you can just tell something was clicking with him. Kobe needs to stop taking over the game and forgetting his teammates out there. We are not using him correctly. Then when he decides to pass to them, oh they're supposed to do something spectacular with it and if his teammmates miss a shot, then they suck. ALl I know is I want Lamar Odom back, and I can't wait for that.</div> You're putting all of the blame on Kobe, but during the first parts of the second quarter and the third quarter (when he wasn't on the floor), the team was playing awful without him and even gave up a big lead (they gave up a 16-3 run or something similar to that in the second quarter). He didn't start hogging the ball until OT (you give the impression he was only in a groove during the 4th quarter, this is false). Kobe played great until the overtime period (where he did make bad shot selections from that point on). Aside from this game, he's only had one other game where he has taken more than 30 shots this season (and that was in a game where he played 54 minutes). I'm over this already.
<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">You're putting all of the blame on Kobe, but during the first parts of the second quarter and the third quarter (when he wasn't on the floor), the team was playing awful without him and even gave up a big lead (they gave up a 16-3 run or something similar to that in the second quarter). He didn't start hogging the ball until OT (you give the impression he was only in a groove during the 4th quarter, this is false).</div> No no, you're right, he was in a groove early on, I meant towards the end of the game primarily. There was this part in the 4th where he was in a groove and I didn't mind riding his hot hand (no homo) He is the best player in the NBA, I don't knock him for the 48 minutes, but it was the last 15 minutes that kills me. Being a leader is not what Kobe did in the OT's last night IMO. He totally excommunicated his team out there, which won't win us ball games. <div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe played great until the overtime period (where he did make bad shot selections from that point on). Aside from this game, he's only had one other game where he has taken more than 30 shots this season (and that was in a game where he played 54 minutes). I'm over this already.</div> Yeah, it was another OT game. I dunno why Kobe gets this feeling where he has to SHOOT EVERY SINGLE shot in Overtimes, that's not what we need. We need to run our offense, then towards the last minute or two, go to Kobe, but in a smart way. Where he can take it to the whole and get fouled with an AND 1, or dish it out for a wide open shot. Not him shooting DIFFICULT jumpers, there's no advantage in that no matter how MONEY Kobe is from a certain spot.
<div class="quote_poster">illmatic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">And one more staggering fact for you guys: Kobe takes 45 shots and NO ONE else on the team shoots more than 10 shots. And those who did shoot 10, Parker was 5/10, Luke was 5/10, and Kwame was 4/10. In 3 overtimes and only 1 player shoots more than 10 FG's, that's crap.</div> Nobody else is going to shoot on the team, but Odom.. so you can't blame Kobe for taking 45 shots.. if he didn't take those shots who would have, i agree that they were bad shots, but no1 scored in the 2nd overtime, when kobe was gone
<div class="quote_poster">Laker_fan Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">He shot better then the team. If Kobe shoots 48% and the rest of the team shoots 44%, I'd rather Kobe take all the shots.</div> He played 54 minutes and only had 4 assist! I'm sorry but that is sad! He's obviously not passing that much, if you ask me!!! Also, he's 6'6 and he only had 5 rebounds!
<div class="quote_poster">sportsaholic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">He played 54 minutes and only had 4 assist! I'm sorry but that is sad! He's obviously not passing that much, if you ask me!!! Also, he's 6'6 and he only had 5 rebounds!</div> Uh no that wasn't the problem, Kobe was "feeling it" until OT where he played bad. He didn't need to get assists in OT, just shoot less and take easier shots. Don't even start with the rebounding... That means nothing, he averages 5 a game, that's respectable. That's nitpicky of you.
<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Uh no that wasn't the problem, Kobe was "feeling it" until OT where he played bad. He didn't need to get assists in OT, just shoot less and take easier shots. Don't even start with the rebounding... That means nothing, he averages 5 a game, that's respectable. That's nitpicky of you.</div> Okay. Fine. But he needs to get assist in regulation! He had a lot of time to get them but he din't.'' C'mon! he's 6'6 and he adverges 5 rebounds a game! Nash is nearly 5 inches shorter and he adverges 3!
<div class="quote_poster">sportsaholic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Okay. Fine. But he needs to get assist in regulation! He had a lot of time to get them but he din't.'' </div> Again, you're free to speak out against his OT play, but during Regulation he was on a roll. When that happens he doesn't need to pass, fellow (hence his assists numbers in the 62/81 point were low). Please don't talk about the rebounds again... So he should have gotten one more then I guess, shoot me. That's not the problem and you sound like kris13nash (whatever his name was; a pricky suns fan). And btw, Nash get's 3 RPG because of the pace his team plays, or else that would decrease.
Well, obviously Kobe Bryant is <u>near</u> the best player in the NBA then. He doesn't have a complete game.
<div class="quote_poster">sportsaholic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Well, obviously Kobe Bryant is <u>near</u> the best player in the NBA then. He doesn't have a complete game.</div> What are you talking about? This was <u>ONE</u> game... Wow I can underline words also. You don't come to a conclusion like that based upon one game, fellow. Uh, Steve Nash isn't the best player if that's what you're implying. You measure who the best player is by measuring their overall production and defense at the end of the year.
<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">What are you talking about? This was <u>ONE</u> game... Wow I can underline words also. You don't come to a conclusion like that based upon one game, fellow.</div> He also has had a lot of games like this before!
<div class="quote_poster">sportsaholic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">He also has had a lot of games like this before!</div> You're vague (yeah I've got exclamation mark skills as well)! No he hasn't. Read some previous posts. He's only had two games with 30+ shots a game this season, both of which were overtimes.
<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">What are you talking about? This was <u>ONE</u> game... Wow I can underline words also. You don't come to a conclusion like that based upon one game, fellow. Uh, Steve Nash isn't the best player if that's what you're implying.</div> I'm not trying to imply that but you can make a good argument about it.
<div class="quote_poster">sportsaholic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I'm not trying to imply that but you can make a good argument about it. </div> Fellow, just use PER to compare overall offensive output. http://knickerblogger.net/stats/2007/jh_ALL_PER.htm Player Efficiency Rating Kobe: 24.16, Nash: 24.13 Kobe has been more efficient per ball possession this year, even though his PER was affected by him having to play through Knee surgery. Since November, when his Knee was almost normal, his PER has been 25.4, and his per was 28 last year.
