<div class="quote_poster">AnimeFANatic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">May not be a rivalry to people, but I sure enjoy watching the Warriors beating the Kings the most out of all teams in the NBA.</div> i would like any team beating the kings.. i hate the kings, so go warriors
<div class="quote_poster">Kobe24bryant Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">see.. there we go thank you..see it cannot be be rivalry until a playoff serires and who are the people that are rivals here? Davis and Bibby?</div> North California rivalry for regular season play. But it's like to me, who cares if we beat them 4-0 during regular season and the Kings still make the playoffs, but we don't? The whole point of regular season is to make the playoffs, and improve every season in that small window of opportunity to make a championship run. A lot of the teams who got that far had a franchise player or impact free agent either by trading for him when they weren't that good, or a high draft pick + having the money/salary flexibility to swing for such a deal. It's supposed to be natural for every team to go through a season of summer, autumn, winter and then spring, but for us it's always winter. It's like we're cursed. This whole playoff run this season is sort of like a last stand. We've landed on the beaches of Normandy with our backs to the ocean and all we can hope for is to press forward and that there will be enough troops in reserve for reinforcements. If we fail Mullin is royally f-ed, because I don't trust Cohan or Rowell when it comes to making winning basketball. All they do is cash off proud warrior fans and continue to support guys who just aren't in the position, talent, or experience to make a winning basketball team. I'll be pissed if the next top 5 lotto team suddenly swings around because they landed a franchise player and also went after an impact free agent because they had the money and the FA wants to play with the rookie player a la Dwade/Carmelo Anthony/Lebron James. We have no magnet. Nobody wants to play with guys like Jrich because who cares? Maybe they would with Baron but by that time there's no money left and plenty of contracts we got that nobody wants to trade for right now. Just so you know since maybe Lakers don't pay attention to the Warriors. I myself find it hard to understand how the Warriors could statistically beat the odds in not being able to make the playoffs at least once in these 12, 13, or (I forget) how many consecutive seasons absent from the playoffs. You figure we get to the lottery, we find a few good players (not franchise players) like the Bulls did, sign some good free agents, and bam PLAYOFFS. But no... I just think that's a testament to the management and ownership that have plagued this franchise for more than a decade. It's a sad state of affairs, not a golden one.
Well, looks like Murphy is in, free layups for all Kings players Man I kept hearing clunk clunk clunk clunk. I kept thinking some animal is in my garbage can again, but it's the game on TV. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, because it is a back to back and we're on the road and we're playing within our own conference. I think I'll just watch some women's basketball or something if I want to see some shooting or some interior defense. Great now Dunleavy is in at the same time as Murphy.... Great Nelson. Let's see what Ike can do now. 50-14 run... goddang. I guess I'll have to see this every other game if we're a .500 team as of now at our current win rate. Too depressing...
Fitz was saying JRich is out with x-rays on his hands. What happened? edit: Jason Richardson has a fractured right hand.
Fractured right hand. bummer So many injuries... we have no choice to play certain guys now. And Dun and Murphy are just getting layed out. They are exposed so badly. Damn, I love watching Ike play. He's like a battering ram. He just snagged a few offensive rebounds and got the putbacks even while being swarmed. He's already made more free throws than anyone else on the roster in only a dozen minutes and he won't settle for the lazy jumper. He'll initiate contact, then try to score and get the foul call as well. I'll sing this guy's praises. He's what this team needs IMO. The only way we can combat the 3-2 zone is we start finding the gaps, not settle for the three. Ike + Biedrins can exploit the gap and also offensive rebound when we have no choice but to take the three or the deep two because those two won't be camping on the arc waiting to take a three. In addition to the Warriors and their over-reliance on scorers who can't knock the three ball/free throws down tonight, the referees have been so bad. They just aren't calling the game correctly. From backcourt violations to goaltending calls. It's been bad.
check this out: Ike Diogu @ small forward. Now it's Barnes at shooting guard. McLeod at pg. POB subbed in for Ike @ small forward. So Now it must be Foyle: C POB: PF Murphy: SF Barnes: SG McLeod: PG At least we got some dual shotblock presence inside and plenty of rebound ability
Well-we DID pick it up once we got some size,ike scored with scarce efficiency,Murphy played okay D,wasn't burned and got boards. it's the guys who shot a few dozen wild 3's than really blew it-that and telegraphing passes,and refs letting Sac players charge.
<div class="quote_poster">Gohn Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">damn, Dunleavy was 5-19...</div> I recall a member on this forum commenting on JRich when he had a similar night, and bashing on him saying he should know when to stop and blah blah blah. And I believe that person is a fan of Dunleavy too.
Dunleavy was horrible tonight. Everything that I hated about him in the past has resurfaced. LOL. But yeah, he'll be like that sometimes. He's just not the shooter he was hyped up to be. He had some bad calls too, but he just couldn't knock down anything. Still... better than last year.. uggg. Him at starter was horrible. I thought Dunleavy and Murphy were all pretty poor on D, but it got worse when guys on the perimeter got beat and they tried to help out, but it was too late because there's nobody that can cover and pick up the slack. It doesn't help when we're playing zone and there's too many gaps and our guys aren't known for being able to cover a lot of ground or keep up with the level of quickness at certain positions. It doesn't help when we launch threes, and the long rebound goes right to the other team's guy who can push the break himself and score on the only guys back who are either guards or Mike Dunleavy Jr or nobody. It was embarassing to be killed at the same type of game we're supposed to excel in. And I think we need to change that style of game if we can't knock down the long jumpers off of kickout passes, get to the foul line, take midrange shots, or get the ball movement going because there's nowhere to cycle it but around the arc. Even if we take it in close we are getting tackled at the rim or swarmed at mid post. We're just finished at that point. In halfcourt situation, we need a go-to guy that can get deep, deep position and has a choice of either the foul, the lay in, the kickout pass, the extra pass, and then hit the guy on the elbow or a guy slashing/cutting weakside. There needs to be more than one passing option whenever somebody touches the ball. Too many times it becomes deadball and a poor shot on goal. I think our chemistry can stand to improve if Mullin (for the love of God) can find some way to unload guys like Murphy, Dunleavy, Foyle, and find a good stopgap that will improve future salary and give us things we need now. It's like the 2003 moves, he helped make the Warriors better defensively (Claxton/Clif/Cheaney) and with better chemistry, but we haven't seen anything since that period. If we find a big guy that can support Biedrins' play (most likely Ike at this point), a backcourt that can support Baron's style of play (maybe Pietrus, but we need a smarter, more consistent guy I think), then I think it will work out. Right now it's injuries and guys like Murphy, Foyle, Dunleavy from the 2004 season that are making things difficult for Baron IMO. I mean they never fit to begin with in a running team context. And our euros and sophmore rookies are still pretty young, but the upside is worth their mistakes, because they are showing visible improvement. As long as they're both prospects that are pretty strong on both ends of the floor and passing the ball, we should do everything in our power to make sure we have the option to re-sign them. Guys that play both sides of the ball are in pretty high demand. I wish there was some certainty that we can keep at least three of our four young bucks and keep Jrich/Baron.
Overall the team as whole looked horrible in the second. Airballs and sloppy turnovers by everyone. Not to mention the poor transition D. The Zone that the Kings employed really hurt the warriors, and it was made worse after the W's fell apart mentally. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Dunleavy was horrible tonight. Everything that I hated about him in the past has resurfaced. LOL. But yeah, he'll be like that sometimes. He's just not the shooter he was hyped up to be. He had some bad calls too, but he just couldn't knock down anything. Still... better than last year.. uggg. Him at starter was horrible.</div> Don't worry you'll get to see more of the old Dunleavy in 2007. For one there's a good chance he'll be a starter again, unless Nellie opts for a lineup of BD, Pietrus, Barnes, Murphy, Biedrins, since there's no way Nellie starts Ike. Plus the old leather ball is back and Dunleavy shoots a lot worse with that one. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> It's like the 2003 moves, he helped make the Warriors better defensively (Claxton/Clif/Cheaney) and with better chemistry, but we haven't seen anything since that period. </div> I think those moves were by Saint Jean.
<div class="quote_poster">AnimeFANatic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I recall a member on this forum commenting on JRich when he had a similar night, and bashing on him saying he should know when to stop and blah blah blah. And I believe that person is a fan of Dunleavy too. </div> Yeah, but Dunleavy got four assists, so in my mind he was trying to be helpful, but nobody else was having a good shooting game either and the shots were his to take IMO. Barnes was horrible, Baron was horrible, Pietrus wasn't very good, Troy Murphy wasn't very good... Only Keith McLeod was doing anything to help the perimeter. Maybe he's trying to get money and league recognition because he doesn't get minutes, unless people are hurt or its on either side of a blowout. And maybe having an inside presence in there at the time helped him get more looks. I wasn't really analyzing that. But to me, everytime they'd go to the post, the perimeter D would worry about staying close to Ike if he's too strong for Corliss Williams or Kenny Thomas or whoever they put in there during garbage time. When Baron is the game, defenses react in a similar way where they start to collapse inside if Baron is blowing by defenses. Guys on the outside have to knock down their jumpers once they receive the ball. Plain and simple. If they can't find another guy who can shoot, then they need to find the guy who can shoot. But nobody could shoot tonight. Only one player could. And maybe that's somewhat forgiveable given injuries and second game in a row on back-to-back night, but it really shows how we're really weak inside the painted area. The problem I have with Dunleavy is he's not knocking down the easy shots a guy in his position is supposed to make. This seems like quite often. For all his weaknesses as a tall slow player, he should be able to at least shoot the freakin' ball. He's not even close half of the time. He's going wide left or off back iron or sometimes airball (like Barnes did tonight). I don't know how to explain it. But with the old ball or new ball, he's just a horrible shot sometimes or most of the times. He throws it off the rim hard and sometimes with no arc. Jrich's problem is that he goes up looking to score and he's trying to be a playmaker, but in order to do that he needs to have some basic guard fundamentals down. He's had trouble trying to be a high school power forward to college small forward to nba shooting guard. That's hard to do. It's like trying to get Murphy to play more like a back-to-the-basket player. And Jrich's game tends to slip sometimes when he isn't scoring. Alleyoop/Philsmith both noticed the same things about his passing style and the same things about his first step, his dribble, his bball instincts, and I tend to agree. He's somewhat of an unorthodox player like Antwan Jamison was, but he's not that soft/bad defensively and he's not that bad shooting/passing the ball if he scores/looks for others within the flow. Sometimes he has to realize he's not Vince Carter or Kobe Bryant. He's not a barometer or a guy that sets the tone in his current condition. He's a slow laterally moving, short shooting guard with major hops that can run fast that has the skills of a forward trying to play shooting guard. But once that athleticism goes down because of his knee, he ain't got the touch or craftiness of Ray Allen, Reggie Miller, or some other older shooting guard/forward that can play off finesse. He's all power moves and aerial finesse. Not that there's anything wrong with that. But we know what to expect out of him when he's been playing hurt and most of his offense game has been tied to his physical ability. Of course there's two sides of a coin. Physical ability is definitely important in addition to mental/natural skill. If a natural bball instinct/well coached guy like Dunleavy can't beat or muscle his way to the rim, he's got to shoot. What else can he do? Brains won't win if he's outmatched or can't shoot the damn ball at a Peja type % with more than 10 attempts per game. Fewer than 10, he's hardly noticeable. You forget he's there. But with Jrich healthy, he allows other guys on his team some leeway to feed off of that. Baron + Jrich have been the tempo setters, but now it's become very shaky looking for somebody else to set that role with Jrich hurt, Baron being pressured to death, Ike being benched, Biedrins not really being an offensive player, and Ellis hurt and turnover prone. Guys like Barnes, Pietrus, Dunleavy, Murphy are nice, I guess, but dang they ain't going to affect much by themselves. They are nice for certain things though. But do they fit?
<div class="quote_poster">AlleyOop Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Fitz was saying JRich is out with x-rays on his hands. What happened? edit: Jason Richardson has a fractured right hand.</div> I believe it was the play where someone was getting to the rim on the Kings and I believe Pietrus came weakside(though I may be mistaken on that part) and packed the Kings player but also committed a foul; but Pietrus' foot kicked out when he was going for the block and JRich was in the wrong spot at the wrong time and got kicked in the hand. I believe like 25% of injuries on this team come from practice or their own teammate. Don't quote me on that, but it seems quite often to be the case. Is Dujan Wagner healthy? Maybe we need to re-sign him? What happened to Roberson?
<div class="quote_poster">Clif25 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">What happened to Roberson?</div> Sprained ankle.
Just heard the bad news. Can`t believe it happened to JRich. Not only out again for a couple months (after just coming back from injury twice or was it three times???!!!???!!!), but the media is now labeling him "oft injured" or "injury prone." Earlier today I was saying that the Warriors were a lock for 8th place.
Here`s a list of available free agents: http://www.hoopshype.com/free_agency.htm Maybe Jacobsen. Doubt Wagner will be brought back after he got bought out. LOL if they bring Calbert Cheaney back. And certainly they won't bring Sprewell back!
I think Jacobsen is playing for Italy. I think a lot of those FA's play in Europe right now. Let's check NBDL or CBA. I mean if Jacobsen was available yeah I'd give him a shot. Also what about Sean Lampley? Yeah! Gotta support the bay area guys or guys who went to college here. Anything Pac-10
