Warriors @ Grizzlies 1/03 5:00pm NO TV!! (NBALP)

Not on cable, but it is on NBA League Pass, 5pm tonight against the Grizz. I've stopped assuming any game is a win in the NBA, especially with GS. You never know. Sure they're without Monta and JRich but GS could have easily dropped one last night to a NO team that started 3 bench players and is without their top stars. So nothing is a gimme, not even this one.

With that said, look for GS to drop the hamma on Memphis tonight!

 

Why is there no TV? That is lame. I have access to NBA TV and all the Fox Sports channels and I still won't be able to see this game? Dang.

This could be a tough game. I can see a lot of players like Gasol, Warrick, and Mike Miller having field days. Those three players are the types of players that have beaten the Warriors in previous games, especially road games. Hopefully the offense does better than the last two games (vs. the Kings and Hornets).

 

Yeah, I think this game is going to be ugly. I'll probably listen to it on radio.

I see Baron being too fatigued to carry the team. Baron in his post game comments last night, said something about having his other teammates step up like Barnes. Or at least hinting at it. I think he's said this many times. It's true. None of the other players have been very consistent this season. Different players seem to play well one night and then disappear another.

 

Dunleavy should give his money to Barnes. Barnes right now is what Dunleavy was supposed to be.

 

If we shoot over 40+ 3s a game..i think it will be a lost everytime. Way to many threes..i remmber the sonics were making the theirs seasons ago and when the season progressed it stopped going in and they were a sloppy inconsistent team. We need to stop taking so much!

 

It's hard to jump on Barnes,he's been deadly. Having everyone flinging 3's at that rate is cheesy.

My radio barely picks up whatever station carries games not on KNBR-so It was hard to follow. Again we got outrebounded-as Nellie stubbornly insists on playing SF's at PF-and Sto Swift only had to muscle Dunleavy in the paint to score. Ike? Well-I guess having a good FG % and getting some RBDs is out of style.

 

<div class="quote_poster">AnimeFANatic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Dunleavy should give his money to Barnes. Barnes right now is what Dunleavy was supposed to be.</div>

Actually-Barnes is playing better than I ever imagined Dun could. Mullin should sign him to an extension (though NOT right after a 30+ game)

 

With Nelson we have to take the good with the bad. The good is that he's a good coach who's kept us at .500. The bad is that he only plays small ball. A team can't run if they don't rebound. Murphy and Dunleavy CONTINUE to get minutes over Ike, it just doesn't make sense. Even if Ike sucks at defense, it can't be possibly worse than Murphy's, and Ike has way better offense than Murphy. I just don't get it. Theres obviously something going on.

 

Maybe he's just saving him so we can get rid of either murphy or dunleavy? Boosting up their stock so others teams will notice them and when they are traded Ike will shine? Then again i could be all wrong...

 

Wow - Azubuike started tonight...... over McCleod and Dun Dun. One thing you gotta love about Nellie -- he's not shy about giving (and with-holding) minutes.

But man -- after last night, Murphy needed to step up big -- and he laid a serious egg. 2 pts and 6 reb on 1-6 shooting? Of course they were all defensive boards -- the ones where he doesn't actually have to contest someone over. What happened to the "double-dub?" That's the lamest moniker in the game -- it's often subjective and doesn't tell you much about a player's game. Yeah, 10 pts and 10 rebs, but 5 turnovers and no defense....

Anyway, what's up with ol' Murph? I thought dude could shoot or do that pump fake or something, but Baron said last night he needed some of the other guys to step up (ahem... Dunleavy, Foyle, Murphy... you know, the "core" vets) and instead they're turning to Azubuike for help.

Crap man, this "waiting" game with Murph and Dun is getting old. I'd rather see POB in there than Murphy, lol.


WE NEED A LEGITIMATE POWER FORWARD ASAP!!!!!!!!!

 

(insert here what I said yesterday and the day before and all of last month, last summer, and offseason)



In other words. Everyone agrees we need to balance out our inside scoring and defense. Then we'll get more fastbreak opportunities and the basketball won't linger around the arc or setup plays won't only revolve around Baron penetrating and kicking out. I think Ike can pass. It's just that... would you if you knew you could get to the line and score against a double team? Hell, he is the ONLY one on this team that has any good footwork, ambidexterity, or lower body strength to manhandle the other 250 lb players on this team.

I don't see anyone else on this entire team fighting for post position and making the other team worried about forcing on a double on guys like Biedrins, Dunleavy, Barnes, Pietrus, or whoever Nelson is playing at PF these days.

Heck I jokingly said last year he would put in 5 guards if he could and I'll be damned if Nelson did what I joked about. Dunleavy at C, Pietrus at PF, 2 various point guard sized guards + Baron. No way is Azbuko Azasomething Azanewguy 6 foot 5. the guy is as tall as Baron Davis looks like.

I think this whole warriors organization is so blind... but what can we do? Ike ain't going to save us singlehandedly, but he sure could show fans a thing or too about a complete big man's game. Watch him play the high post game sometime and fans will see that he's a good smart passer. But Nelly won't have it, because it's all about his point forward directing the guard based offense. We've seen this before back before 1994 where we still couldn't do jack or accomplish anything as an organization. It's not even entertaining anymore because run n' gun is always a double edged sword against us if we don't have many all-stars.

And I hate to beat a dead horse again but both Stro and Pau got their way with anybody in the paint looks like. Miller dropping 3 bombs in was the icing on the cake. That's inside/outside presence right there. And heck even a speedy guy like Mighty Mouse was probably doing our same moves against us, "isolaton, drive and kick". Lord knows who we had guarding Stro or Pau. It probably gave Mike Miller lots of room to sink threes.

 

http://www.nba.com/games/20070103/GSWMEM/gameinfo.html

Here's the game recap. Looks like the Warriors got more fastbreak points, but the Grizzlies scored more points in the paint than us at a higher %. They also did better from 3 point land and took less attempts 46 to 22 (http://www.nba.com/games/20070103/GSWMEM/boxscore.html)

They also made 5 more free throws than us and many more attempts which probably got our warriors players into big foul trouble (so they had to sit).

I really don't know when this organization or Don Nelson will start to hold himself accountable. Because to me, Nelson is doing something similar to what Musselman and Montgomery did to certain players that offered more than what we have right now. We've got:

- 2 point 4th quarter guy (Muss)
- Fisher-Murph ball which had us launching way too many threes and playing too slow (Montgomery)
- and now Nelson becoming like those two coaches only he scores more, plays even worse defense because of the size discrepancy, and plays it at a faster rate with only the larger score in the end, but the other team being able to match it if they got an inside game and they're hitting their midrange and outside shots...

It's got to be a lot of the players though. I can't blame the coach too much. Even though I'm steamed that Ike isn't getting any burn and that he fits a role that nobody else on this team can fill.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">It's got to be a lot of the players though. I can't blame the coach too much. Even though I'm steamed that Ike isn't getting any burn and that he fits a role that nobody else on this team can fill.</div>
I agree. The team is not that talented, especially with the injuries, thankfully they have Barnes. Baron is the difference. He's flawed, yeah, but he's pretty close a to superstar level PG, especially this season, now that he is in shape, motivated, and healthy. The NBA is pretty much a superstar driven league.

In terms of coaching, the main difference is that they respect Nellie. Muss and Monty, the players seemed to have problems with them.

 

Injuries or not, a team is supposed to have the depth to carry on. That shows how well put together a team is if they can play without Kobe or without Shaq or without such and such. We're not a good team as much as some people would like to believe now that we got Don Nelson. Nelson can only do so much for this squad with his style of ball which may not apply to this particular team over the course of the 82 game season.

I'm just so stressed right now about the Warriors.. arrggg. I cannot organize my thoughts very well.. Too many things wrong with this organization and it comes out in full force whenever there's a bad loss against teams in our own conference.

 

WEll I saw the game .

It was an exciting game for 3 quaarters. Nelson would go with zone, miller would kill us, fortunately miller made some dumb fouls and got out of the game. WE would switch to man and build a lead. Then switch back to zone and the grizz creeps back to tie it up. By the same token, Beans was ustoppable in the first quarter, we went to him often and he only got one shot in the second half. Granted foul trouble mostly the culprit.... but he clearly was forgotten in the second half game plan.

In the fourth quarter the grizz announcer said Nelson must have forgot about Miller as he is still in a zone... we never switched out of it and miller drained 4 threes.... instead of responding smartly our response was Barnes leaving it short on a layup air ball, barnes travelling in paint, dunleavy brick three, barnes brick three, dunleavy brick three, pietrus brick three.... and we shot ourselves out of the game.

Memphis didnt really use and insideout game or penetration as cus suggested. Miller was just pulling up and bombing making anything.

However, Pau, Swift, Gay always seemed to get the timely offensive rebound.... and we got killed in the paint without Beans.... Foyle, Murph, and Dunelavy laid out the red carpet in the paint... stromile swift was out of his head.... even the announcers wondered what he had been eating to be aggressive...

It was a game we could have easily won, even if it was on a back to back roadie.... we fell apart in the fourth.... a barrage of unneccessary 3 point shots with no one taking it to the rim or pushing the fast break.... this loss was very similar to the near falling apart in boston and the other 4th quarter collapses on the road. Why Nelson didnt go Man in the 4th i have no idea.

the bright spots.... BAron played well and restrained. I though after playing 48 minutes the night before he would play tired and forego penetrating for jacking 3's. But he really didnt. He played controlled and ran the team as he should.

Barnes was hot again tonight... he certainly had the green light.... i mean 16 3 attempts...wow.... but live and die by the 3 and costly turnovers at the end.

Azuibuike looked great, poised in his first start...a pleasant surprise...good job Mully finding him, and yeah ....Cus i agree ..... he is a few inches shorter than lilsted...


The Bad.... the usual cast of characters failing once again...murph pathetic, dunleavy decent at best, foyle...ugh


And No Ike Again? to quote an announcer ..... that perhaps is the worst in the major network sports... along with aikman and moose..... joe buck ..... cant he just go away..... "that's disgusting"

and so was that loss....

and the aztecs lost to wyoming.... that is disgusting

 

Ellsi back SAturday?

 

I suspect Ike is in the doghouse. I've sort of gotten a 'sullen' vibe off him and there's been at least one instance where Nels publicly said Ike needs to grow up. And now DNP-CD for two straight very shorthanded games.....

 

Again, I think we should all relax a little bit. This was a back to back road game and the Griz are not as bad as their record shows. If we were looking at the schedule at the begining of the year, this was a game we should have lost. BUT, we're still at .500-without Richardson and Ellis. Even though I never really liked Murphy, he's not yet fully healed and we do need him. Nelson has also gotten a lot out of our marginal players like Beans, Barnes, Peitrus and even Dun.

I agree that I would like to see Ike play more and he's not being given very much rope but then again, he usually does make some pretty dumb mistakes as soon as he gets in the game. Nellie obviously sees him in practice more than we do so maybe he knows that he's not ready to really contribute. Also, it sounds like he's not taking accountability for his mistakes, which is why Nelson is calling if a "blamer". If that's the case the Ike is not going to learn from those mistakes the way Beans or Ellis has and I would agree that he shouldn't be on the court. I really don't think that it's just a case of Nelson not giving him a chance becuase he has given that same chance to many other guys on the roster, guys who have been hard workers and willing learners.

All in all, I'm pretty happy sitting in the 8 spot right now given the health situation and I'm definately willing to let Nelson continue the rebuilding process. Sure small-ball will not win a championship but is that really the goal right now? Once we consistently make the playoffs, then we can look to get away from that small-ball style like Dallas did.

 

Thanks boogielew for the observations. What the heck happened to Mighty Mouse getting 16 assists? He must have been doing something to get the big men and Miller started. I watched a tape of the game and I said screw it. We lost. Why fret over one loss and every loss? They're probably be half or more than half of the portion of 82 games total.

Wait till the clouds part. There will be better days, especially in the 4th!

 

<div class="quote_poster">boogielew Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Ellsi back SAturday?</div>

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<div class="quote_poster">DTKennedy Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I suspect Ike is in the doghouse. I've sort of gotten a 'sullen' vibe off him and there's been at least one instance where Nels publicly said Ike needs to grow up. And now DNP-CD for two straight very shorthanded games.....</div>

Definately seems like sonething is up. I mean, regardless, this team needs a strong, active PF to rebound and put back shots. Ike, IMO, could be a starter for GS. Murphy and Dun suck, and Barnes should be starting SF, not PF. This super-small ball can't last the whole season. Ike needs to get in the game.

<div class="quote_poster">ryanfish Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Also, it sounds like he's not taking accountability for his mistakes, which is why Nelson is calling if a "blamer". </div>

Oh -- Nellie called Ike a "blamer?" Where did you read that?