<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">New York Daily News - Nets president Rod Thorn traded for backup swingman Bernard Robinson on Wednesday. But that could be only the first deal for the Nets before the Feb.22 trading deadline. According to one Western Conference executive, "The Nets are trying to do everything they can" to make a move that will jumpstart their season." The executive said that they would even deal Jason Kidd if the right trade came along, although his age and contract make him difficult to move. Vince Carter has the most appeal, although he can opt out of his contract after this season. Carter's name has been linked to the Clippers, who are trying to move Corey Maggette and Cuttino Mobley. But the Nets don't see them as a sufficient upgrade. "What normally transpires between Jan. 15 and the trading deadline is that a lot of teams figure out, 'We're not what we thought we were,'" Thorn said. "But this year, it's taken teams longer because everybody in the Eastern Conference - and I'm even including Philadelphia - has a chance, particularly in our division."</div> Source
in what way would maggette be an upgrade over carter? i think they should try to trade carter or kidd, for a big man that can score inside and play defense. Actually, they should trade everyone and just start rebuilding.
The only thing I can think about Maggette being better than Carter at is his agressiveness going to the line, but even then Carter seems to be a more effective scorer and can spread the floor more effectively. If the Nets trade Carter, it shouldn't be now. His stock isn't that high at the moment.
Both Maggette and Mobley need a low post threat on the team to be effective. These two benefit from Elton Brand's presence on the inside. Maggette has more space to slash, and Mobley gets wide open looks when teams double Brand. Without an inside presence teams can pack the middle, which forces Maggette to do something he's not very good at, jumpshots. This trade doesn't solve the Nets main need, frontcourt scorer. If the Clippers were willing to include James Singleton or Paul Davis, this deal makes more sense. James Singleton would thrive alongside Jason Kidd and Paul Davis has a nice post game for a rookie.
Interesting. I would consider the trade if it was Cat and Corey for Vince. Just Corey for Vince? Hell no. Of course like shape said, both are more effective because they have a big man like Brand. However, I don't think this particular trade will go down.
Cuttino was a good player on the Rockets when their best post option was a Kenny Thomas. Sure Kenny be a good player for us, but I don't think his game is so dependent on a big man. If defenses pack it in, they'd be dumb to sag off Cuttino cause he can shoot well. And RJ's had little problem being a slasher on the team without a terriffic jumpshot or a low post player to open things up. In fact, I wouldn't even say Vince is all that great of a jump shooter when compared to other great wing players like Kobe, Allen, Tracy, Redd, or even Pierce..So I cannot see why Corey couldn't succeed if Vince and RJ are doing so. Corey has a better jumpshot that RJ and gets to the line more consitently. It's just that..Corey is very injury prone and is on the injured list as much as he's on the foul line. If it's the two of them for Vince, I probably would do it, but if it's just Corey, then like others mentioned, no. I wouldn't be mad if we could pull of a Corey, Kaman for Vince, but the Clippers probably wouldn't do it.
<div class="quote_poster">nextlevelgame Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Cuttino was a good player on the Rockets when their best post option was a Kenny Thomas. Sure Kenny be a good player for us, but I don't think his game is so dependent on a big man. If defenses pack it in, they'd be dumb to sag off Cuttino cause he can shoot well. And RJ's had little problem being a slasher on the team without a terriffic jumpshot or a low post player to open things up. In fact, I wouldn't even say Vince is all that great of a jump shooter when compared to other great wing players like Kobe, Allen, Tracy, Redd, or even Pierce..So I cannot see why Corey couldn't succeed if Vince and RJ are doing so. Corey has a better jumpshot that RJ and gets to the line more consitently. It's just that..Corey is very injury prone and is on the injured list as much as he's on the foul line. If it's the two of them for Vince, I probably would do it, but if it's just Corey, then like others mentioned, no. I wouldn't be mad if we could pull of a Corey, Kaman for Vince, but the Clippers probably wouldn't do it.</div> I knew you were going to bring up Mobley in Houston, but Mobley doesn't have the same quickness and athleticism he had back then. He's lost his quick first step, and has a hard time getting around the defender. Also, the Rudy T style of offense gave him and Francis the greenlight to launch shots at will. This works in the regular season, but in the playoffs it's a disaster because the game is slowed down and you have to be able to execute in halfcourt sets. I'm not saying Maggette and Mobley are going to come to NJ and suck all of a sudden. I'm just pointing out, there's not going to be much difference from what NJ has now, and I don't think either will be more effective without a post presense like Brand downlow. I know you see Maggette get to the line a lot, but he's a terrible ballhandler in traffic. He gets bailed out A LOT by the officials, and player's tend to foul him because they are more concerned with the other scorers the Clippers have on the court. He's likely to get more attention if he plays for the Nets, because he'd be the 2nd or 3rd option on the floor, as opposed to the 3rd or 4th.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I knew you were going to bring up Mobley in Houston, but Mobley doesn't have the same quickness and athleticism he had back then. He's lost his quick first step, and has a hard time getting around the defender. Also, the Rudy T style of offense gave him and Francis the greenlight to launch shots at will. </div> Cuttino may not be Cat, but he's far from slow. How about when he was on the Kings? Not too long ago and once again the post presence was Kenny Thomas and he was scoring just fine there too, even better than on the Clippers. Or Orlando, before Dwight caught on? He was scoring well there too. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">This works in the regular season, but in the playoffs it's a disaster because the game is slowed down and you have to be able to execute in halfcourt sets.</div> I don't think the slowing of the game down is nearly as big as you make it to be. Secondly, I don't think Cuttino Mobley is an open court player only. He's been able to play in the half court. He has a good jump shot, and one on one skills. His problem has always been that he gets tunnel vision and over dribbles. Probably will happen with the Nets, but his inefficiency won't be because we don't have a post player. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm not saying Maggette and Mobley are going to come to NJ and suck all of a sudden. I'm just pointing out, there's not going to be much difference from what NJ has now, and I don't think either will be more effective without a post presense like Brand downlow.</div> Corey's sixth man right? So a lot of time he's playing with the second unit. I don't watch a lot of Clippers games but common sense tells me that he plays he scores a lot because he's playing with the 2nd unit which probably Brand is sitting. Thats my assumption of his role, so that Dunleavy can rest Brand and not lose scoring cause he has a super-sub in Corey who can get the job done efficently. From what I've seen it's not that far off, but you've probably seen more games and can clarify. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I know you see Maggette get to the line a lot, but he's a terrible ballhandler in traffic. He gets bailed out A LOT by the officials, and player's tend to foul him because they are more concerned with the other scorers the Clippers have on the court. He's likely to get more attention if he plays for the Nets, because he'd be the 2nd or 3rd option on the floor, as opposed to the 3rd or 4th.</div> I don't know exactly what you mean by this. He gets bailed out cause other people are worrying about others? All I know is he is the 2nd leading scorer on the team, so he's a higher option than the 4th, atleast.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't know exactly what you mean by this. He gets bailed out cause other people are worrying about others? All I know is he is the 2nd leading scorer on the team, so he's a higher option than the 4th, atleast.</div> The defensive rotations are a step slow, because they are reluctant to leave their man, to stop Corey from driving to the basket. Because they are a step slow, they put themselves in an uncompromising position and get whistled for the foul. For some reason Cuttino looks really old this season. He's a shell of his former self, and has become a spot up jump shooter. Slowing down the game is crucial in the playoffs. How many times have we seen the Nets go ice cold from the field in the post season when a team doesn't allow them to dictate tempo? Coaches have time to breakdown film in a 7 game series, so they will find your weaknesses and exploit them. In order to advance far in the post season you need to have balanced scoring from the inside-out. Corey Maggette is the 6th man on the Clippers, but he's plays a lot of minutes with the other starters. He can't crack the starting lineup, because he's a defensive liability and can't shoot from the perimeter with any consistency. Depending on the matchups he's benched in favor or QRoss (who defends) or Tim Thomas (who shoots). If you take a look at the 5-Man Units the Clippers use from 82games.com, CMaggs is always on the court with either Brand, Kaman, or both out their with him. He's only been on the court WITHOUT Brand for 55 total minutes this season.
We need a good big man who can score in the post. We already have too many guys playing their positions.
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The defensive rotations are a step slow, because they are reluctant to leave their man, to stop Corey from driving to the basket. Because they are a step slow, they put themselves in an uncompromising position and get whistled for the foul. For some reason Cuttino looks really old this season. He's a shell of his former self, and has become a spot up jump shooter. Slowing down the game is crucial in the playoffs. How many times have we seen the Nets go ice cold from the field in the post season when a team doesn't allow them to dictate tempo? Coaches have time to breakdown film in a 7 game series, so they will find your weaknesses and exploit them. In order to advance far in the post season you need to have balanced scoring from the inside-out. Corey Maggette is the 6th man on the Clippers, but he's plays a lot of minutes with the other starters. He can't crack the starting lineup, because he's a defensive liability and can't shoot from the perimeter with any consistency. Depending on the matchups he's benched in favor or QRoss (who defends) or Tim Thomas (who shoots). If you take a look at the 5-Man Units the Clippers use from 82games.com, CMaggs is always on the court with either Brand, Kaman, or both out their with him. He's only been on the court WITHOUT Brand for 55 total minutes this season.</div> All right then we don't need that garbage.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Nets' sources said that they were not interested in a trade involving Vince Carter to the Clippers for Corey Maggette and Cuttino Mobley.</div> Source Ok, I guess that rumor is done with.
