<div class="quote_poster">authentiq Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">That's great and all, but i never mentioned Wade getting mad over a whistle blown against him. That was AllNet. I was simply asking why you brought up Sheed, and i understand the frustration of Wade being singled out, but it wasn'tme who did it. So yes, I am paying attention.</div> You asked a question I brought up Sheed. I explained. You said "substance please". So I tried to elaborate.
<div class="quote_poster">rafy Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">My point is that people are consistently whining about Wade, yet fail to realize that every single star in the nba is the same. Saying how Wade gets and angry when he doesn't a call is just stupid, at least he doesn't go around having a temper tantrum. Perhaps you aren't paying enough attention. You're missing my point. I admit, Wade gets some pretty stupid calls on his side. Never said he didn't. You were saying how it was ironic that was staring at the official when he didn't a phantom foul his way. Look at sheed, look at 'toine, look at cassel. Singling out wade is childish, and it only reflects the bias that many people have. Can it get any clearer then that?</div> You had no real point. You are bringing up guys like Sheed as If to say they somehow actually get calls. When really he doesn't. Refs have never liked Sheed and never really given him the calls he deserves. I wasn't saying Wade moaning was bad in general, It's the fact he gets so many calls It was just ironic what his response was to the refs after the game. really he's the only real one who gets so many bad calls go his favour. Yes other superstars get calls but not anything like what Wade gets. I have no problem with Wade as a person or player. He just gets away with so much crap It's annoying. It's a main reason why Miami somehow managed to pull off the upset in last years finals. One thing is for sure If Miami and Dallas meet up again..no chance they win this time.
<div class="quote_poster">AllNet Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">You had no real point. You are bringing up guys like Sheed as If to say they somehow actually get calls. When really he doesn't. Refs have never liked Sheed and never really given him the calls he deserves. I wasn't saying Wade moaning was bad in general, It's the fact he gets so many calls It was just ironic what his response was to the refs after the game. really he's the only real one who gets so many bad calls go his favour. Yes other superstars get calls but not anything like what Wade gets. I have no problem with Wade as a person or player. He just gets away with so much crap It's annoying. It's a main reason why Miami somehow managed to pull off the upset in last years finals. One thing is for sure If Miami and Dallas meet up again..no chance they win this time.</div> I never said Sheed gets calls, he never does, even when they are there. The refs absoloutely despise Sheed. But he constantly moans and complains when he doesn't get them A LOT LOT LOT more then Wade does, or any other player I've seen in my life besides Sam Cassel. Phantom or not. My point, and perhaps you should read it a little closer, was that other players get a lot of bad calls their way. And when they don't get more; they incessantly complain about it. So, just because Wade drives to the basket more then any other player in the league, plays smart, and draws the phantom foul, or actual foul for that matter, irritates you? The only reason he gets so many bad calls is because he plays smart, he drives and he drives and he doesn't stop. I'm 100% positive that if Kobe took that attitude, we would be having this exact discussion about him, except where Laker fans are defending him, and everyone else is attacking. This entire double standards is really what irks me.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">My point, and perhaps you should read it a little closer, was that other players get a lot of bad calls their way. And when they don't get more; they incessantly complain about it.</div> Maybe you should read my post more clearly. My point was not that he or any other player moaning is bad...It's the fact Wade of all people moaning when he actually didn't get a call for once in his life was quite ironic. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">So, just because Wade drives to the basket more then any other player in the league, plays smart, and draws the phantom foul, or actual foul for that matter, irritates you?</div> So because he drives to the basket alot that means he deserves 6 or 7 bail out calls just because he lifts his legs in the air and jumps into defenders like Reggie used to do? please. The game where Miami played Portland was a great example. Wade drives into the paint, falls over, travels with the ball with no one near him yet the refs call a reach in foul.....thats exactly why Wade's rep is getting worse and worse. Wade is getting every little call which he doesn't deserve. That is what annoys me.....
<div class="quote_poster">AllNet Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Maybe you should read my post more clearly. My point was not that he or any other player moaning is bad...It's the fact Wade of all people moaning when he actually didn't get a call for once in his life was quite ironic. So because he drives to the basket alot that means he deserves 6 or 7 bail out calls just because he lifts his legs in the air and jumps into defenders like Reggie used to do? please. The game where Miami played Portland was a great example. Wade drives into the paint, falls over, travels with the ball with no one near him yet the refs call a reach in foul.....thats exactly why Wade's rep is getting worse and worse. Wade is getting every little call which he doesn't deserve. That is what annoys me.....</div> <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">It was quite ironic that wade glared at the refs at the end of the lakers/heat game as if to say..."I thought we had a relationship here, where's the calls? "</div> I'm fully aware of the intent of your post. You found it funny/ironic that wade would be angry when he doesn't get a call his way, after the multitudes of bad calls going his way. Can't get any clearer then that. However, I don't see the irony nor the humor in a league full of cry babies. I never said that he deserves. I think it's despicable that a player can receive so much favoritism. However, if other players wanted to receive it, they easily could. All you have to do is drive, drive, drive, drive and drive. In his rookie year all he would do is drive, and he got to the foul line quite a lot, not sure how much and I would appreciate any statistics. If Billups wanted those calls, why doesn't he attack the basket every time he touches the rock, and same goes for every other player in the NBA. In a short summary: It is entirely the referees fault for giving Wade so many freebies. But it's not like he is such a special person, and only he is able to get those calls. Cory Maggete gets to the foul line whenever he wants. Why? Because he attacks the basket.
^ Exactly. Corey Maggette isn't a superstar or even an all-star for that matter, but he drives into the lane a lot and draws contact. Does that mean the refs are in love with him? No.
<div class="quote_poster">rafy Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I'm fully aware of the intent of your post. You found it funny/ironic that wade would be angry when he doesn't get a call his way, after the multitudes of bad calls going his way. Can't get any clearer then that. However, I don't see the irony nor the humor in a league full of cry babies. I never said that he deserves. I think it's despicable that a player can receive so much favoritism. However, if other players wanted to receive it, they easily could. All you have to do is drive, drive, drive, drive and drive. In his rookie year all he would do is drive, and he got to the foul line quite a lot, not sure how much and I would appreciate any statistics. If Billups wanted those calls, why doesn't he attack the basket every time he touches the rock, and same goes for every other player in the NBA. In a short summary: It is entirely the referees fault for giving Wade so many freebies. But it's not like he is such a special person, and only he is able to get those calls. Cory Maggete gets to the foul line whenever he wants. Why? Because he attacks the basket.</div> Still, there's no reason he needed to get 97 FTs in the Finals. Also, a bit off topic- Imo, I also believe some refs like Kobe less than Wade, (due to the Shaq thing, etc.). Though he still gets calls of course (not last night in the Heat rematch though).
Maybe the refs hate Kobe because he treats them like garbage and is constantly screaming or glaring at them.
<div class="quote_poster">XSV Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Maybe the refs hate Kobe because he treats them like garbage and is constantly screaming or glaring at them.</div> Probably, D'Whistle never does that though because he usually gets the benefit of the doubt. <div class="quote_poster">AllNet Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">It was quite ironic that wade glared at the refs at the end of the lakers/heat game as if to say..."I thought we had a relationship here, where's the calls? "</div> Hilarious. Let me just say something. We all know every other superstar gets their calls, but none of them get calls like Wade. I've seen Kobe attack the basket(against Cleveland last year in particular) and he didn't get a break. I've seen plenty of superstars attack but not get a call, not D'Whistle though. I have yet to see a game where Wade hasn't gotten a call he deserves, or doesn't deserve. It is undeniable that Mr. Wade gets the Superstar treatment, but you'd have to be blind to not know that he gets a lot of calls that are obvious B.S. Never in my lifetime have I seen Kobe get phantom calls like Wade has. Same for LBJ, 'Melo, and even Dirk. This is one of the reasons I dislike Wade, is because of the calls he gets. Is it his fault? No, but it doesn't change the fact that he is the one who is getting those calls.
<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Still, there's no reason he needed to get 97 FTs in the Finals. Also, a bit off topic- Imo, I also believe some refs like Kobe less than Wade, (due to the Shaq thing, etc.). Though he still gets calls of course (not last night in the Heat rematch though).</div> I never said he did deserve that many attempts. All I'm saying is that he isn't such a special case. Because other players of considerable less statue are able to get to the charity stripe. Solely because they attack the basket. If a player never, ever takes a jump shot, ever, and all he does is lay it up/dunk, he will recored the most ft attempts that season. It's really simple as that. If you want calls, good or bad calls, attack the rim. And when Kobe, or any other players falls in love with the jump shot, you won't get nearly as many calls as the guy who goes night in, night out everyday risking injury. And you can't tell me that Wade never got hammered, because he's had some seriously hard fouls in his time. I'm willing to bet you're right. Kobe used to get a lot more awful calls his way before the unfortunate Shaq/rape(or rather the gold digger trial) fiasco. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Probably, D'Whistle never does that though because he usually gets the benefit of the doubt.</div> That's ridiculous. He didn't do it in his first season, and he doesn't do it now. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Hilarious. Let me just say something. We all know every other superstar gets their calls, but none of them get calls like Wade. I've seen Kobe attack the basket(against Cleveland last year in particular) and he didn't get a break. I've seen plenty of superstars attack but not get a call, not D'Whistle though.</div> See in the Cory Maggete example. I don't think it's anyones fault that you don't watch to much basketball. If Kobe attacked the rim as much as wade, we would be having this exact same discussion, except you would be defending him. Surprise! <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> I have yet to see a game where Wade hasn't gotten a call he deserves, or doesn't deserve. </div> Watch closer. There are plenty of times when he gets hacked but doesn't get the call. Then again, there are a lout of times when someones simply touches him and he gets the call. And a few where he doesn't even get touched. Again, it's no ones fault you don't watch enough basketball. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">It is undeniable that Mr. Wade gets the Superstar treatment, but you'd have to be blind to not know that he gets a lot of calls that are obvious B.S. Never in my lifetime have I seen Kobe get phantom calls like Wade has. Same for LBJ, 'Melo, and even Dirk.</div> See in Cory Maggete example. How many times does it need to be explained? Amare gets calls all the time. Why? Because he's around the RIM in the PAINT, all the time. Jesus, more contact as the offense = more calls your way. It's not math. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> This is one of the reasons I dislike Wade, is because of the calls he gets. Is it his fault? No, but it doesn't change the fact that he is the one who is getting those calls.</div> So, it's completely out of his control. And you still hate him. Nice.
I'm a Kobe fan and I agree on the fact that Kobe gets super star calls on his side. Yet, Kobe attacks the basket up front againts defenders and many times gets calls and many times he does not. But am I the only guy that notices how many times Wade travels and trips on himself by doing that retarded spin move. OMG! It is rediculous how the refs let him get away with that. But is not the players fault is the refs fault and the nba for allowing ticky tac fouls. I remember the days when Chick Earn used to say, "If no blood no foul." Those were the days that defenders were able to defend. Now, offensive players like Wade and Kobe jump into defenders and a whistle is blown. They seriously need to change that rule. If the offensive player creates contact purposedly or because they are out of control it shouldn't be a foul.
<div class="quote_poster">Pablo23 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I'm a Kobe fan and I agree on the fact that Kobe gets super star calls on his side. Yet, Kobe attacks the basket up front againts defenders and many times gets calls and many times he does not. But am I the only guy that notices how many times Wade travels and trips on himself by doing that retarded spin move. OMG! It is rediculous how the refs let him get away with that. But is not the players fault is the refs fault and the nba for allowing ticky tac fouls. I remember the days when Chick Earn used to say, "If no blood no foul." Those were the days that defenders were able to defend. Now, offensive players like Wade and Kobe jump into defenders and a whistle is blown. They seriously need to change that rule. If the offensive player creates contact purposedly or because they are out of control it shouldn't be a foul.</div> I agree with you completely. It really is retarded how the NBA is run. It just a whole bundle of senselessness. All I'm really trying to say, is that if Kobe, or someone else, attacked the basket with such regularity as Wade does. Then they would get just as many calls as Wade does. And yes, Kobe and other players attack the basket a lot too, but not as much as Wade. I'm not saying it's right, because it's probably one of the worst things about the NBA today. But that's just my opinion anyway.
<div class="quote_poster">rafy Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> That's ridiculous. He didn't do it in his first season, and he doesn't do it now.</div> I think you misread my quote. Please reread it. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting rafy:</div><div class="quote_post">See in the Cory Maggete example. I don't think it's anyones fault that you don't watch to much basketball. If Kobe attacked the rim as much as wade, we would be having this exact same discussion, except you would be defending him. Surprise! </div> When any other player/superstar attacks the basket, they don't get the same treatment as Wade. I guess they should pay more refs off? I hate arguing with Wade fans about this. It is obvious that Wade gets a hell of a lot more B.S. calls than anyone else. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting rafy:</div><div class="quote_post">Watch closer. There are plenty of times when he gets hacked but doesn't get the call. Then again, there are a lout of times when someones simply touches him and he gets the call. And a few where he doesn't even get touched. Again, it's no ones fault you don't watch enough basketball.</div> Safe to say that exaggeration is hard to express over the internet. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting rafy:</div><div class="quote_post">Amare gets calls all the time. Why? Because he's around the RIM in the PAINT, all the time. Jesus, more contact as the offense = more calls your way. It's not math.</div> Granted, Amare is in the paint banging to get position. Amare doesn't get B.S. ghost calls often/as much as Wade though. It is also a different situation. Amare is a big man, Wade is not. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting rafy:</div><div class="quote_post">So, it's completely out of his control. And you still hate him. Nice.</div> I guess I should have worded that differently. I don't hate the guy off the court or anything. For all I know he could be a stand up guy. However, whenever I see him, I know there will be incosistent officiating. That alone makes me dislike seeing him on the T.V. screen. I agree with you on how bad the NBA is today though. It gets frustrating to watch at times because of the poor officiating. Nothing we can do about it though, but whine on an internet forum.
it's so funny how 8 year old heat fans here think that other superstars get more calls than wade. yes, other superstars get the questionable calls but not as much as wade. very simple concept.
While I don't agree with calling them "8 year-old Heat fans", I do agree with the fact some people don'tunderstand what others are trying to say is that Wade just gets more calls than others. No one is saying the others don't get calls, just that Wade gets more.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I think you misread my quote. Please reread it</div> <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">XSV: Maybe the refs hate Kobe because he treats them like garbage and is constantly screaming or glaring at them. Probably, D'Whistle never does that though because he usually gets the benefit of the doubt. </div> I feel I understand it perfectly. "D'Whistle" never sreamed or screams at the ref because he gets the calls his way. Which isn't true because Wade was essentially a nonentity his first year in Miami. No one was talking about him, and it wall "LeBron this Carmelo that". He didn't get superstar calls, he played the game. Calls went against him, and he didn't whine or get angry at the refs. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">When any other player/superstar attacks the basket, they don't get the same treatment as Wade. I guess they should pay more refs off? I hate arguing with Wade fans about this. It is obvious that Wade gets a hell of a lot more B.S. calls than anyone else.</div> Again, because they don't attack the basket with nearly enough regularity. Perhaps it's even a fault that Kobe is so good with his jump shot. He slashes and cuts a lot less to the basket then Wade. You can't compare any player in the league when it comes to attacking the basket. Wade simply does it by far the most. Therefore he gets the most calls. It's impossible to argue with quite a lot of Kobe fans, because they simply refuse to acknowledge that another player may simply be better at something. When it comes to slashing and attacking the rim, Wade is the best. That's why he gets calls. Or at least, he does it a lot more then any other player in the league. It's a fact. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Safe to say that exaggeration is hard to express over the internet. </div> I'd rather stick to the facts, thanks. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Granted, Amare is in the paint banging to get position. Amare doesn't get B.S. ghost calls often/as much as Wade though. It is also a different situation. Amare is a big man, Wade is not.</div> I acknowledged he was a big man. But my point was that when you're around the rim, you get calls. And it seems that I'm having a hard time getting it across clearly enough. While Wade gets the most amount of bad calls, it doesn't take away from the fact why. And I keep saying, that if any other player like Kobe, etc, attacking the rim as much as Wade, they would get just as many "B.S." calls. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I guess I should have worded that differently. I don't hate the guy off the court or anything. For all I know he could be a stand up guy. However, whenever I see him, I know there will be incosistent officiating. That alone makes me dislike seeing him on the T.V. screen.</div> Fair enough.
why are there threads for only wade getting bad calls and not iverson, or lebron? They arent mentioned because they arent actors like wade. Wade isnt nearly as tough as iverson is so he has to make everything look so much more dramatic for the refs. I dont deny for a second that iverson, kobe, and a handful of other players get calls from the refs. But i have never seen a player flop around or act like he's hurt as much as wade. And i just dont really have any type of respect for that. i used to like wade alot but not so much any more.
<div class="quote_poster">Answer_AI03 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">why are there threads for only wade getting bad calls and not iverson, or lebron? They arent mentioned because they arent actors like wade. Wade isnt nearly as tough as iverson is so he has to make everything look so much more dramatic for the refs. I dont deny for a second that iverson, kobe, and a handful of other players get calls from the refs. But i have never seen a player flop around or act like he's hurt as much as wade. And i just dont really have any type of respect for that. i used to like wade alot but not so much any more.</div> There isn't anything I can ever do for you. I'm sorry.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">When it comes to slashing and attacking the rim, Wade is the best.</div> Just because he does it alot does not make him the best at it. Its just his game is more of a slasher type than say kobe or t-mac. And he doesnt get calls just becuase he goes to the rim every play. he gets calls because he has a reputation of being a big time player in the league so he will get the benefit of the doubt. I think the refs fall for his crap way too much, and sooner or later the refs should be fined for falling for it. That travel was so blatant i dont see how it was called a foul. Oh well, guess everyone should just get used to seeing wade's 360 fall on the floor and scream like your dying plays.
