<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Swap Carter, rookie Josh Boone and 7-foot-1 project Mile Ilic for Richardson, Troy Murphy and Ike Diogu. The Nets pick up some depth and scoring up front -- Murphy is perfect to space the floor and Diogu can do things with the ball down low -- while the Warriors drop Richardson's and Murphy's contracts. Diogu doesn't play much (for some reason), and the Warriors get a chance to win Carter over for a few months. If Carter passes on staying in Oakland this summer, then they simply plug his wing position with Mickael Pietrus and Monta Ellis (which is what they're doing already, even with Richardson healthy) and enjoy a little cap flexibility.http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writ...ion.deck/1.html</div> Warriors are going to have get rid of some salary to resign players like Ellis, so this sounds like a good deal to me.
Too risky in terms of Carter's attitude and if he leaves early we get almost nothing in return for giving up JRich and Diogu. If we give up JRich, Diogu, and Murph I'd rather go for someone like Paul Pierce who I'm sure would like to play in Oakland.
Yeah, I would love to trade Murphy for an expiring contract like VC, but not a valuable piece like JRich or Ike. I mean, I'd trade Foyle, Murphy and Dunleavy for a Vince Carter package. How's that? lol. But if we trade JRich or Ike, we need to either get a long-term star like Jermaine O'Neal, or some young prospects. Not a 1/2-season rental.
If this was the only legit trade on the table, I gotta say I would do it and here is why... 1. Carter is an upgrade over Jrich anyway you look at it especially now that Jrich cant get past the injuries and has not found his rythm and I dont know if he ever will until he gets some consistent PT which looks a long time away. 2. I think Carter would love to play next to Baron and the rest of our guys. He will like the fast, exciting and up tempo style that showcases his extraordinary athletic ability. The fans will give him a lot of love and every player who plays here knows our fans are VERY supportive of our teams even through the non playoff years. Can you imagine this place when they actually start MAKING the playoffs! 3. I am not sure about the cap situation, but just getting Murphy off the books has GOT to help us. He is a stiff anyways. Yes, losing Diogu hurts a little, but he is not playing here anyways and he is too small to be a HUGE piece of our rebuilding. I just wish we kept Taft if this trade would happen. I say I would do it. Love Jrich to death, but his game is too limited and VC can still play and would probably excel in our uptempo style of play. Jrich's biggest asset is his 3pt shot and VC can definately hit that shot. But the thing I love about VC's game over Jrich is VC goes DOWN THE LANE and dunks on people. Jrich basically gets his dunks on steals, fastbreaks and the occasional wide open drive to the rim...
Yeah, your right about Richardson getting his dunks in limited situations. I've never seen him take it to the basket and really posterize someone. On the other hand, we all know what VC can do.
<div class="quote_poster">Pgballer17 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, your right about Richardson getting his dunks in limited situations. I've never seen him take it to the basket and really posterize someone. On the other hand, we all know what VC can do.</div> http://members.dslextreme.com/users/jamesy..._over_emeka.avi
Trading Richardson for Carter is trading constant hard work and effort for soething considerably less. I'm wary of it.
I would LOVE for this to happen. Both my teams would upgrade, plus Vince will be playing closer to my city.
That would be a bold move, in particular for this season. On one hand Jason Richardson's contract may be a bargain for what Vince could be asking for, so long term Jason might be the better bet. On the other hand we get rid of Ike and Murphy while bringing in two players I know zero about. I suppose for some excitement in 2007 I would consider doing the deal, but I would reconsider since I can see the Warriors getting the bad end of this deal. Imagine trading Jason, Ike, and Murphy for two players who may never find a spot in any rotation (that's an ignorant statement about Ilic and Boone, but I don't know, it looks a bit bad) since Vince may resign elsewhere especially if he asks for a lot of money.
<div class="quote_poster">Clif25 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">That would be a bold move, in particular for this season. On one hand Jason Richardson's contract may be a bargain for what Vince could be asking for, so long term Jason might be the better bet. On the other hand we get rid of Ike and Murphy while bringing in two players I know zero about. I suppose for some excitement in 2007 I would consider doing the deal, but I would reconsider since I can see the Warriors getting the bad end of this deal. Imagine trading Jason, Ike, and Murphy for two players who may never find a spot in any rotation (that's an ignorant statement about Ilic and Boone, but I don't know, it looks a bit bad) since Vince may resign elsewhere especially if he asks for a lot of money.</div> Boone is at most kind of a Brian Skinner type career backup. Illic is kind of a Kosta Perovic,a euro with size,modest abilities,who is IRRELEVANT if he's 5th string and plays 5 min a month. We may as well do J Rich,Murphy,Ike for Eddie Jones and Larry Roberts-get an expiring,have a second stringer for the future. It would STILL be VERY dumb and desperate. At this point next year,J Rich and Ike SHOULD be our top 2 scorers,or close to it,a combined 40 a night. Trading Murphy? As Nellie remakes him,and he's in shape,in synch from a period of being able to play he will be a better player. Last season he had at least 10-15 games of 15+ rebounds,quite a few 20 pt games. This season he's getting WAY more assists-steals-blocks in half the minutes. I don't see him-real world-that had to trade or bad to keep. Dunleavy? that's different. He's playing better-after a dreadful season. He also may be playing about as good as Nellie can make him. He has neither power nor quickness,and trying to improve one most likely comes at the expense of the other. His passing...that frasnkly was where I had some hopes. Murphy much improved his passing without a lot of bad passes,turnovers. Dun DID get bolder,which makes his passes relevant-but there's way too many WTF? type passes. J Rich will again be a 20-25 a game go-to scorer.
<div class="quote_poster">AnimeFANatic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Too risky in terms of Carter's attitude and if he leaves early we get almost nothing in return for giving up JRich and Diogu. If we give up JRich, Diogu, and Murph I'd rather go for someone like Paul Pierce who I'm sure would like to play in Oakland.</div> I'd deal JRich for Paul Pierce, but he plays in Boston. How about for Richard Jefferson? If it was JRich, Murphy, Ike and Zarko for Carter and Jefferson, we end up with no power forward . What do you guys think?
<div class="quote_poster">REREM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Boone is at most kind of a Brian Skinner type career backup. Illic is kind of a Kosta Perovic,a euro with size,modest abilities,who is IRRELEVANT if he's 5th string and plays 5 min a month. We may as well do J Rich,Murphy,Ike for Eddie Jones and Larry Roberts-get an expiring,have a second stringer for the future. It would STILL be VERY dumb and desperate. At this point next year,J Rich and Ike SHOULD be our top 2 scorers,or close to it,a combined 40 a night. Trading Murphy? As Nellie remakes him,and he's in shape,in synch from a period of being able to play he will be a better player. Last season he had at least 10-15 games of 15+ rebounds,quite a few 20 pt games. This season he's getting WAY more assists-steals-blocks in half the minutes. I don't see him-real world-that had to trade or bad to keep. Dunleavy? that's different. He's playing better-after a dreadful season. He also may be playing about as good as Nellie can make him. He has neither power nor quickness,and trying to improve one most likely comes at the expense of the other. His passing...that frasnkly was where I had some hopes. Murphy much improved his passing without a lot of bad passes,turnovers. Dun DID get bolder,which makes his passes relevant-but there's way too many WTF? type passes. J Rich will again be a 20-25 a game go-to scorer.</div> I agree. I just hope these guys can get out of their funks...
I am not sure how Nelson is "remaking" Murphy, and how it benefits the team. I am sure Nelson wishes to make Murphy rebound better however he still loses defensive boards by not boxing out over and over again. Add that to very underachieving production on the rebounding end in general and I am sure Nelson isn't pleased. Offensively Murphy is almost invisible. The Warriors may not need to trade Murphy but they do need much better production from the PF spot, as many fans and writers have mentioned. I am willing and the team seems willing to let Murphy prove himself and to step up and be that PF the team needs, but it just hasn't and isn't happening so far this season. If he doesn't turn it around soon, especially with Jason Richardson out, then the team ought to look to deal him for at least or maybe most (depending if his trade value ever rises) an expiring contract and hopefully someone who could help out the Warriors rebounding or even the defensive woes. I would much rather have Leon Powe than Troy Murphy at this rate.
<div class="quote_poster">REREM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">It would STILL be VERY dumb and desperate. At this point next year,J Rich and Ike SHOULD be our top 2 scorers,or close to it,a combined 40 a night.</div> Give me a break. JRich yes, but Ike no. Ike doesn't have the scoring ability of a Zach Randolph. He's more Corliss Williamson. Even if he is a better scorer than Corliss, he won't be a defensive and rebounding force. Sure, he can score down low, but he doesn't have what it takes to be more than what he is in the NBA. I think it's wishful thinking of Warriors fans on Ike. They give him more of a break than JRich ferchrissakes!
<div class="quote_poster">jason voorhees Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Give me a break. JRich yes, but Ike no. Ike doesn't have the scoring ability of a Zach Randolph. He's more Corliss Williamson. Even if he is a better scorer than Corliss, he won't be a defensive and rebounding force. Sure, he can score down low, but he doesn't have what it takes to be more than what he is in the NBA. I think it's wishful thinking of Warriors fans on Ike. They give him more of a break than JRich ferchrissakes!</div> In the final 7 games last year-without Baron,Ike averaged about 24 min,16 pt,7 1/2 rbd. He had 8 blocks-6 steals in those games. No minutes=no progress. 16 and 7 1/2 ain't bad for a half of a game,I doubt Corliss does that. Furthur,we really have done little to get him game experiance or to adjust the plan to best use him. A few 5 min appearances here and there do little to get development. You want results...you invest what it takes. Otherwise-forget draft and develop,do like the SF Giants and spend for veterans in their last few years.
Corliss's career avg rbds are what Ike gets in 12.9 min. Corliss,a 12 year vet,had a lot of seasons as a starter or often played sub. Ike has to dominate just to earn a 10 min segment.
Any deal with Vince Carter in it for a guy that isn't even an all-star is awesome. Baron Davis and Vince Carter would be a nice duo. It would be VC's first time playing with a scoring PG.
<div class="quote_poster">REREM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">In the final 7 games last year-without Baron,Ike averaged about 24 min,16 pt,7 1/2 rbd. He had 8 blocks-6 steals in those games. No minutes=no progress. 16 and 7 1/2 ain't bad for a half of a game,I doubt Corliss does that. Furthur,we really have done little to get him game experiance or to adjust the plan to best use him. A few 5 min appearances here and there do little to get development. You want results...you invest what it takes. Otherwise-forget draft and develop,do like the SF Giants and spend for veterans in their last few years.</div> Ahh... but it depends on who you draft and develop. One of the problems with bringing Nellie aboard is some of the players won't fit his style. For example, Zarko was a favorite of Monty's while this season he's in the doghouse with Nellie (albeit he's been injured). Ike OTOH, we're finding out is having difficulties with the plays and adapting to Nelson's approach to the game. It's not totally Ike's fault as his game isn't a fit for small ball. I think if Ike was playing and knew the plays better, then he'd get more minutes. I agree it's a Catch-22. It has to be more than the offensive side of the ball. Yet the number one reason for concern over Ike is because he is a what you see is what you get player. In other words, he wasn't projected to have a lot of upside. That's why the concern. As for numbers, I was looking at this season: Ike Diogu Golden State Warriors Position: F Height: 6-8 Weight: 255 College : Arizona State Player file | Team stats 2006-07 Statistics PPG 7.1 RPG 3.7 APG .3 SPG .07 BPG .60 FG% .507 FT% .814 3P% .000 MPG 12.9 Corliss Williamson Sacramento Kings Position: F Height: 6-7 Weight: 245 College : Arkansas Player file | Team stats 2006-07 Statistics PPG 8.3 RPG 3.1 APG .6 SPG .50 BPG .29 FG% .526 FT% .757 3P% .000 MPG 17.6 Zach Randolph Portland Trail Blazers Position: F Height: 6-9 Weight: 215 College : Michigan State Player file | Team stats 2006-07 Statistics PPG 23.9 RPG 10.1 APG 1.9 SPG .61 BPG .19 FG% .478 FT% .835 3P% .250 MPG 34.5 Besides that I use basketball-reference.com and it has Ike compared to Most Similar Season at Age 22. Mike Sweetney (944) 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Most Similar Season 2006. Jason Caffey, 1998 (947) 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
