If your actually asking the last QB to leave Detroit and have success, its Frerotte....he didnt have the kind of season Kramer did in '95, but 3000 yards, 18 Td, 13 Int and a 9-6 record as a starter is "success" in the NFL....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'>If your actually asking the last QB to leave Detroit and have success, its Frerotte....he didnt have the kind of season Kramer did in '95, but 3000 yards, 18 Td, 13 Int and a 9-6 record as a starter is "success" in the NFL....</div> Well if we're going to dumb down "success" we'll have to add in Rodney Peete, at least he won a playoff game with the Eagles. I still say Earl Morrell was the last Lion QB that really had success after leaving the Lions. The others "hung around" for awhile, but never got past the first round of the playoffs.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zackman)</div><div class='quotemain'>Well if we're going to dumb down "success" we'll have to add in Rodney Peete, at least he won a playoff game with the Eagles. I still say Earl Morrell was the last Lion QB that really had success after leaving the Lions. The others "hung around" for awhile, but never got past the first round of the playoffs.</div> Its not surprising that a Lions fan would have trouble identifying a QB's success, after all, its not like youve ever seen it....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zackman)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'>If your actually asking the last QB to leave Detroit and have success, its Frerotte....he didnt have the kind of season Kramer did in '95, but 3000 yards, 18 Td, 13 Int and a 9-6 record as a starter is "success" in the NFL....</div> Well if we're going to dumb down "success" we'll have to add in Rodney Peete, at least he won a playoff game with the Eagles. I still say Earl Morrell was the last Lion QB that really had success after leaving the Lions. The others "hung around" for awhile, but never got past the first round of the playoffs.</div> The historian . . . Hmmm. . . .time to change that. Kramer went past first rd. Lost to super bowl champs in 2nd rd of playoffs. I think it is time to start thinking up something to replace historian. Btw, how many QBs leave and have "success" elsewhere from a franchise? Not many, if a QB is good you usually hold on to them. How many QBs have left a team in past 10 years and had #s as good or better than erik kramer from other teams?
I actually was a big Erik Kramer fan. He helped lead the Lions to a 12-4 season and the NFC Championship game in 1991. He's the only QB to win a playoff game for the Lions since 1957! I was there to see the 38-6 smacking of the Dallas Cowboys at the Silverdome. Kramer played outstanding that day. It was a huge mistake to let Kramer go and it likely played a part in costing Wayne Fontes his job. Kramer did have one good year after leaving Detroit. Morrell played in two Super Bowls and was an NFL MVP. I didn't look up anything, when giving the Earl Morrell answer, all from learned knowledge. I do admit to be much more interested in pre-1970 NFL history then post-1970 recent history. I have no doubt I'd smoke most people on this site in a NFL history trivia contest.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zackman)</div><div class='quotemain'>The Michigan State alum followed Lions assistant coach Don Shula to Baltimore when he got the Colts head job. Morrall played QB in Super Bowl three vs. the Jets for Shula. Shula then brought Morrall with him to Miami where Morrall won an NFL MVP award and won a Super Bowl.</div> To clarify, Morrall did win the MVP in 1968, but in that year, he didnt have nearly as good as season as Kramer's....Morrall also won 3 Super Bowls, but never as the starting QB, and was the starting QB in one of the biggest upset loses in the leagues history, Super Bowl 3....he never threw more than 26 tds in a season....he only hit double digits 5 times(26, 24, 22, 11, 11) out of 22 seasons....he actually threw double digit interceptions(6 times) more often than tds....he never threw for 3000 yards(2909 his best) and only broke 2000 3 times....he had some success, but it was limited....
I hate Joey Harrigton, fluke or not he is still inconsistant. Plus, everyone saying he has no one around him is a bunch of crap. He had a RB who just had a bad year last year, and two good WR. I just don't think hes worth it, if the Dolphins like everyone said are giving up a 6th round pick for him, then give it for someone else.
[quote name='TheBeef']To clarify, Morrall did win the MVP in 1968, but in that year, he didnt have nearly as good as season as Kramer's.[/quote] WHAT? How many votes for MVP did Kramer get in his best year? You're clueless on this issue Beef. You can't compare the inflated stats of the modern era QB vs. the stats of QB's before 1980. Remember NFL QB's didn't always wear dresses! The NFL has been around for 86 years and most of the greatest QB's of all-time played before 1980. LMFAO! [quote name='TheBeef']Morrall also won 3 Super Bowls, but never as the starting QB, and was the starting QB in one of the biggest upset loses in the leagues history, Super Bowl 3.[/quote] Sure Earl Morrell had a bad game in Super Bowl III, so what. He lead that Colt team to the Super Bowl and started 10 of the 17 games won by the undeated 1972 Dolphins. [quote name='TheBeef']He had some success, but it was limited....[/quote] Yeah ... Earl Morrell only was an NFL MVP and lead TWO teams to Super Bowls and owns THREE Super Bowl rings. Earl Morrell in his 1968 NFL MVP season. The road to the Super Bowl against the Lions on the cover of Sports Illustrated. Earl Morrell certainly was no Erik Kramer .... LMFAO!!!! Next Beef will be telling me Scott Mitchell was the greatest QB in Lions history because he put up huge numbers in the "QB's Wear Dresses" era. [quote name='"Bob Griese on the 1972 Dolphins"']"It was a combination of a great coach and a lot of players that stepped in and did a heck of a job. Earl Morrell stepped in when I was injured and did a great job. I think <u>that is one of the reasons why that team went undefeated</u>. I played the first five games, sat out the next 9 or 10. I had a dislocated ankle. I came back and played in the Championship game in Pittsburgh and then started the Super Bowl and won."[/quote]
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zackman)</div><div class='quotemain'>How many votes for MVP did Kramer get in his best year? You're clueless on this issue Beef. You can't compare the inflated stats of the modern era QB vs. the stats of QB's before 1980. Remember NFL QB's didn't always wear dresses! The NFL has been around for 86 years and most of the greatest QB's of all-time played before 1980. LMFAO!</div> Some numbers have been inflated, like the Tds, and so 26 and 29 are comparable, but another number that has been inflated is interceptions....and Kramer threw just 10 in 522 attempts in 1995, while Morrall threw 17 in 317 attempts....one every 52 attempts compared to one every 19 attempts....thats a stat that transcends eras....the MVP is like the Pro Bowl, its a popularity contest....in that particular year, the league was still split between NFL and AFL, so you have to take that award with a bit of a grain of salt, since only half the playeys were eligible(Namath also won an MVP that year and his numbers were worse than Morrall).... <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zackman)</div><div class='quotemain'>Sure Earl Morrell had a bad game in Super Bowl III, so what. He lead that Colt team to the Super Bowl and started 10 of the 17 games won by the undeated 1972 Dolphins.</div> So what? The biggest game he ever started in, against a team that was inferior and said to have no chance and he lays a big fat egg! Your quick to add up those rings, and he deserved them, but he was a minor cog on great teams....even for the 72 Dolphins he averaged less than 10 attempts a game, less than 100 yards a game, and less than 1 Td a game....that team ran the ball like no other....i thought you would have known that.... <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zackman)</div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah ... Earl Morrell only was an NFL MVP and lead TWO teams to Super Bowls and owns THREE Super Bowl rings.</div> So he won a bullshit popularity contest, road some dominating teams to 3 Super Bowl rings, and choked in the biggest games he ever started....and never had impressive numbers....Earl Morrall was a game manager....his career reminds me of Trent Dilfer, who was in the right place at the right time....on a fantastic team he could do enough to not lose the game....thats it....I thought you, as the "historian" would have known some of this....I guess thats the problem with self application of titles....
Found this on the 'net somewhere Detroit's demands for third- and fourth-round draft picks are holding up the trade of quarterback Joey Harrington. Miami, which has reached agreement on a two-year deal worth $5 million, is offering only a sixth-round pick in 2007 to the Lions. The Bengals, who are offering a sixth this season, have offered Harrington a one-year deal worth about $2 million.
It just shows how desparate lions fans are for a good qb, that they have to defend their castoffs place in history
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zackman)</div><div class='quotemain'>most of the greatest QB's of all-time played before 1980. LMFAO!</div> I guess the great draft of 1983 is not historically worthy?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'>I guess thats the problem with self application of titles....</div> What about my former & current self-appointed monikers? LMAO.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder)</div><div class='quotemain'>Found this on the 'net somewhere Detroit's demands for third- and fourth-round draft picks are holding up the trade of quarterback Joey Harrington. Miami, which has reached agreement on a two-year deal worth $5 million, is offering only a sixth-round pick in 2007 to the Lions. The Bengals, who are offering a sixth this season, have offered Harrington a one-year deal worth about $2 million.</div> Yeah I saw that too. I think Millen knows he'll never get a third or a fourth for the Princess (I'm shocked he's being offered anything for the bum.), he's likely holding out hoping Culpepper, Palmer, Green or Bledsoe pull a Kellen Winslow Jr. That would put the Bengals, Dolphins, Cheifs or Cowboys in desperation mode. Plus why do Harrington or another team a favor by getting him in early for a stinkin 6th round pick?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dan245)</div><div class='quotemain'>I hate Joey Harrigton, fluke or not he is still inconsistant. Plus, everyone saying he has no one around him is a bunch of crap. He had a RB who just had a bad year last year, and two good WR. I just don't think hes worth it, if the Dolphins like everyone said are giving up a 6th round pick for him, then give it for someone else.</div> Unbias Dano hit the nail on the head! Here's the latest: Friday, May 12, 2006 Two newspapers: Harrington deal (nearly) done It appears the Lions and Dolphins finally came to terms on a trade that will send Joey Harrington to Miami. The Miami Herald says it's done, the South Florida Sun-Sentinel said it'll be completed today. No terms were disclosed. May 12, Miami Herald: A source close to Harrington said Thursday night the Dolphins and Detroit Lions have worked out a deal to send the former No. 3 overall draft pick to Miami. Harrington was scheduled to participate in a charity event next week but had to cancel because he will have to be in Miami to take part in the opening of organized training activity. The South Florida Sun-Sentinel has a source saying it'll be finalized today. May 12, South Florida Sun-Sentinel: The Dolphins are set to acquire Detroit quarterback Joey Harrington via trade by the end of today, a source said. Details of the deal weren't immediately available.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Joe is offically a Dolphin. 5th or 6th round pick for him pending his peformance.</div> Which is the deal that Millen should have been looking for all along... Something with an escalator clause in it so if Joey catches fire in Miami, the deal's not a total wash for Detroit. How much longer can Millen possibly keep that job? Jeez...
