<div class="quote_poster">Swish Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I'm not saying the refs aren't to blame but what annoys me is that Dwyane Wade expects to get these calls. Towards the end of the game, Wade tried to draw contact in the paint and when the refs didn't call anything, he stared down the official and started complaining. While the refs should be criticized for being biased, Wade's "I deserve calls" attitude bugs me.</div> Because god knows no other superstar expects calls, and cry about it when they don't get phantom fouls on their side. God knows LBJ never does, Jesus knows Kobe never does it, god knows that Carmelo never does it, should I go on? God knows Bird never did, and MJ never did. See, Wade is a bad bad bad man. *rabble rabble rabble* I don't see how complaining about wade complaining in not getting more biased calls is the most logical thing to do.
Great win by the Lakers. The foul calls were absolutely ridiculous. If someone even lays a finger on Wade, it's a foul. I remember at the half, half our front court was already in trouble. It was great to see Kobe man up on Wade and play some DEFENSE. I'm kind of pissed because the game shouldn't have gone to overtime, but hey, a win's a win
<div class="quote_poster">Swish Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I'm not saying the refs aren't to blame but what annoys me is that Dwyane Wade expects to get these calls. Towards the end of the game, Wade tried to draw contact in the paint and when the refs didn't call anything, he stared down the official and started complaining. While the refs should be criticized for being biased, Wade's "I deserve calls" attitude bugs me.</div> Every superstar does the same thing. How many times did Kobe complain to the officials in the game?
To be honest, Kobe got the same calls as Wade gets now a while ago. That doesn't make it right though, but Laker fans should be carefull to defend Kobe too much in this matter.
Last I checked, Kobe didn't get fouled everytime someone laid a finger on him. After the first half, half of our front court was already in foul trouble trying to keep Wade away from the basket
The Lakers were lucky to win the game last night. The defense was terrible for 3 quarters once again, and the only reason we won this game was our accuracy from behind the arc. Andrew Bynum still does not know how to defend the pick and roll and was caught in no man's land several times. This led to stupid fouls and forced him to watch most of this game. Luke Walton was brilliant in this game for the Lakers. He destroyed Miami's defensive scheme by attacking the zone down the middle and then finding the open man once Miami collapsed on him. If anyone deserved more foul calls it was Luke. He was getting hacked and bumped like crazy on the inside. Kobe's defense at the end was the difference. He gave Wade space this time, and Wade clanked his jumpshot. Kobe was working hard to shadow Wade and deny him the ball. I'm glad this game was on national TV so everyone had a chance to see the officiating discrepancy. It really speaks for itself on how lopsided and inconsistent the officials are in the NBA. Doug Collins commented on it, Steve Kerr commented on it, and really it's just atrocious how blatant the officials are in favoring Wade. I don't blame Wade, but you have to wonder about the integrity of this sport.
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> I'm glad this game was on national TV so everyone had a chance to see the officiating discrepancy. It really speaks for itself on how lopsided and inconsistent the officials are in the NBA. Doug Collins commented on it, Steve Kerr commented on it, and really it's just atrocious how blatant the officials are in favoring Wade. I don't blame Wade, but you have to wonder about the integrity of this sport.</div> I think the NBA has lost it's integrity a long time ago. Hell, Divac pioneered the art of flopping in the NBA and it just got worse and worse. The whole game is moving in a completely different direction. The problem is people are blaming Wade and other players that seem to beat to their team or have a rivalry with their team, and not blaming the source of the problem. If I'm not mistaken, the majority of the thread has been dedicated in bashing Wade.
<div class="quote_poster">rafy Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I think the NBA has lost it's integrity a long time ago. Hell, Divac pioneered the art of flopping in the NBA and it just got worse and worse. The whole game is moving in a completely different direction. The problem is people are blaming Wade and other players that seem to beat to their team or have a rivalry with their team, and not blaming the source of the problem. If I'm not mistaken, the majority of the thread has been dedicated in bashing Wade.</div> The NBA needs to restore it then, especially when a national audience is watching. You know something is wrong when the commentators cross the company line and question the calls of a game over and over again. The officials have far too, much protection and control of the outcomes of games. Wade is getting unfair bashing, just like Jordan received when he played for the Bulls. It's going to tarnish Wade's reputation and people are going to remember him for the player who won a championship shooting free throws. I really felt Walton got the short end of the stick last night. He was very aggressive at attacking, would get hammered, and not given the foul call. I have to give props to the Lakers for keeping their composure in this game and fighting through the bad calls.
I haven't seen this game but you said that Kobe complains at the calls but i have seen some vids where are some ridicilous "no-calls" and he doesen't say anything and laughs but yeah, inside he's crying.
Just curious: 1. How many times did Wade not get fouled and get a call? 2. How many times did Wade get fouled and not get a call? 3. How many times did Kobe not get fouled and get a call? 4. How many times did Kobe get fouled and not get a call?
I watched the entire game, and I'm just curious as to why you guys thought the officiating was so biased in this game. Can someody give me an example of when Wade received a BS call? I do think Kobe was hacked by Zo on that one drive, but he also received a favourable make-up call at the end of regulation. The Heat committed 24 fouls, while the Lakers only committed 22. The free throw discrepency was due to the fact that the Heat attacked more while the Lakers settled for their hot outside game. I just can't say I noticed a bias in officiating this game. Swish, it's a little hypocritical to criticize Wade's "I deserve calls" mentality yet fail to mention Kobe's. He complained practically everytime he took a shot. Of course the drive on Zo was justified, but there were other times where there was no foul where he would yell at the ref. At the end of the game, the ref did him a favour by not calling the charge and yet he still complains. I fail to see the difference between him and Wade in this aspect.
<div class="quote_poster">XSV Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I watched the entire game, and I'm just curious as to why you guys thought the officiating was so biased in this game. Can someody give me an example of when Wade received a BS call? I do think Kobe was hacked by Zo on that one drive, but he also received a favourable make-up call at the end of regulation. The Heat committed 24 fouls, while the Lakers only committed 22. The free throw discrepency was due to the fact that the Heat attacked more while the Lakers settled for their hot outside game. I just can't say I noticed a bias in officiating this game. Swish, it's a little hypocritical to criticize Wade's "I deserve calls" mentality yet fail to mention Kobe's. He complained practically everytime he took a shot. Of course the drive on Zo was justified, but there were other times where there was no foul where he would yell at the ref. At the end of the game, the ref did him a favour by not calling the charge and yet he still complains. I fail to see the difference between him and Wade in this aspect.</div> Luke Walton was hacked several times in the game without a call. Did the Heat really attack more than the Lakers? A lot of the shots ended up being perimeter jumpers, but that was after the ball was kicked out from penetration. The Lakers did plenty of scoring within the paint and also took the ball to the rim. In general, the Heat were allowed to play more physical on defense, than the Lakers. I remember a couple of plays when Kobe was bumped on the baseline while he dribbled from one side of the rim to the other. He got bumped by Haslem, and then again by Doleac and almost went out of bounds. DWade received the same contact on the other end and received the foul call. Inconsistencies like this are frustrating to watch. Also the ball strip by Wade near the end of the game. I don't think they showed the reverse angle of the play, so it's hard tell if Wade got all ball or not, but I remember earlier in the game Kobe stripped Wade clean on a drive and was whistled for a foul. The officials need to be consistent with their play calling, that's all I ask for. If they want to call a close game, then do it for both sides, if they want to let the players be more physical then let it go both ways. But when you have one team, Miami, being allowed to be more physical on defense and at the same time getting the benefit of the whistle on offense, it's biased officiating.
<div class="quote_poster">XSV Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I watched the entire game, and I'm just curious as to why you guys thought the officiating was so biased in this game. Can someody give me an example of when Wade received a BS call? I do think Kobe was hacked by Zo on that one drive, but he also received a favourable make-up call at the end of regulation. The Heat committed 24 fouls, while the Lakers only committed 22. The free throw discrepency was due to the fact that the Heat attacked more while the Lakers settled for their hot outside game. I just can't say I noticed a bias in officiating this game.</div> Plenty times there were BS calls. The refs started to settle down near the second half, but the first half it was clear all the calls were going for the Heat. Even the announcers were pointing out that Dwyane Wade could get away with pretty much anything. Every time he drove to the hoop he got fouled. At the end of the half, half our front court was already in foul trouble. Luke Walton was hacked multiple times in the paint, but the refs never called a foul. There was one play when Walton drove to the hoop, and clearly got elbowed in the face by Alonzo Mourning, yet no foul. Also, near the end of the 4th when Wade stripped Kobe of the ball, it was a clear foul, yet the refs let him get away with it. Had it been Kobe, or anyone from the Lakers for that matter, it would have been an obvious foul <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Swish, it's a little hypocritical to criticize Wade's "I deserve calls" mentality yet fail to mention Kobe's. He complained practically everytime he took a shot. Of course the drive on Zo was justified, but there were other times where there was no foul where he would yell at the ref. At the end of the game, the ref did him a favour by not calling the charge and yet he still complains. I fail to see the difference between him and Wade in this aspect.</div> The difference is that Wade gets fouled when someone even lays a finger on him. At the end of the game, Wade was complaining for a foul call even though he wasn't even touched. But Wade was clearly upset because the refs weren't giving him the BS calls anymore. He thinks that whenever he drives into the paint, he will get an automatic foul. Kobe was basically screwed all game. He only went to the line once in the first three quarters.
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The NBA needs to restore it then, especially when a national audience is watching. You know something is wrong when the commentators cross the company line and question the calls of a game over and over again. The officials have far too, much protection and control of the outcomes of games. </div> It's not possible as long as Stern is at the helm. You publicly question, never mind criticize a referee and you get a fine, just that you're not sure about the call and it's a fine. It's ridiculous. There isn't anything anyone can do but accept the game the way it is. The best thing that could possibly happen to the game of basketball is if Stern and Stu are fired. And actually replaced by someone who is competent enough not to butcher the game. I don't think it's possible to say that the refs don't favor Wade tremendously. But demeaning a player because of the calls he gets, and the acting he does is just silly. You'll have to pretty much have to apply the same philosophy to every star in the NBA. Alienating your own team as well as the other. As far as other players not getting calls, of course they won't. You can just go on and on about how infuriating terrible the refs are. But blaming anyone player is just going to make things worse. I didn't see the game, but I'm going to download it and see for myself.
True, Shape,and Zo was also bumped a few times trying to post up and didnt get the call. There were also a few offensive fouls called late that were in the Lakers favour. I'm just saying that I didn't think Wade got any special treatment this game, and I think the refs made some bad calls both ways (Heat had 24 fouls to the Lakers 22), so it was pretty equal. The Lakers outplayed the Heat, and Kobe outplayed Wade when it mattered, I don't see why there always has to be some "officiating controversy" involved in every game. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The difference is that Wade gets fouled when someone even lays a finger on him. At the end of the game, Wade was complaining for a foul call even though he wasn't even touched. But Wade was clearly upset because the refs weren't giving him the BS calls anymore. He thinks that whenever he drives into the paint, he will get an automatic foul. Kobe was basically screwed all game. He only went to the line once in the first three quarters. </div> That play, Brian Cook actually had his hands pushing against Wade's stomach. It was a weak foul, and I would not expect the refs to call it near the end of a game, but it was a foul. Not that it mattered since the Heat were already out of it. The refs didn't give him a BS call all game, he drove into the paint many times and failed to draw the foul. The 13 FT he did attempt were all legit fouls, nobody on the Lakers even argued any of them (except the reach on Kobe). Kobe didn't attack until the 4th quarter, he either settled for jumpshots or got his teammates involve, so having only 1 FT attempt was warranted.
<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Lakers win! 124-118. We are 25-13. And about 11-7 without Odom. Damn, Kobe was not getting calls most of that game. 12 of Kobe's points were in the last 10 minutes when it mattered, cool.</div>As always. On the stats sheet it seems like Wade was better but as I can see, Kobe was doing his thang at the end of the game again. Good defense against Wade and scoring easily when it's needed. And who cares about stats so much, I mean. Averages are important, but Kobe pretty much cares about the W. With 2 consecutive wins against teams like Magic and Heat. The team should be in a good mood and it would be incredible if we could win one game out of the next 2 (against Mavs and Spurs, right) ?
<div class="quote_poster">XSV Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">True, and Zo was also bumped a few times trying to post up and didnt get the call. There were also a few offensive fouls called late that were in the Lakers favour. I'm just saying that I didn't think Wade got any special treatment this game, and I think the refs made some bad calls both ways (Heat had 24 fouls to the Lakers 22), so it was pretty equal. The Lakers outplayed the Heat, and Kobe outplayed Wade when it mattered, I don't see why there always has to be some "officiating controversy" involved in every game.</div> It's not controversy, but it's inconsistency. It's a slap in the face to the fans who pay top dollar for the game or spend their spare time to watch an NBA game. There's absolutely no accountability for the officials in the NBA. At least in the NFL referees are fined for making mistakes on the field. And in MLB IIRC, umpires are suspended if they receive 'x' amount of mistakes after being graded on performance. In the NBA there is no recourse and the only penalty is not being able to officiate in the post-season. Big deal.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Because god knows no other superstar expects calls, and cry about it when they don't get phantom fouls on their side. God knows LBJ never does, Jesus knows Kobe never does it, god knows that Carmelo never does it, should I go on? God knows Bird never did, and MJ never did. See, Wade is a bad bad bad man. *rabble rabble rabble* I don't see how complaining about wade complaining in not getting more biased calls is the most logical thing to do. </div> you beat me to it, but like durvasa said Wade had Kobe's number until down the stretch, that's when Bryant really turned it on......it was a fun game to watch.
