The Trade Will Be Successful If ....

We got rid of two dead weights, saved a ton of money, got more talented players in their place (might not be the right match, but nonetheless they are more talented and are better trading pieces), we should be able to resign one of our youngsters if not both.

 

IMO, success won't hinge on what Murph and Dun do or don't do.

Whatever Murphy goes on to do, it seemed like we knew what we were going to get from him here if he stayed. Even if he goes on to be a 20/10 guy, that's no reason for remorse on our part, because he wasn't going to do that here.

Same for Dun. He's had 5 years to audition, to prove that he's going to "emerge" into a special player. He hasn't. He's a career 11pts / 5rbs player.

However, Mullin did take a gamble with Ike. He traded him while his potential is high. Ike was a valuable trade chip this year. He might not have been next year. Or, he might have been our franchise PF next year. So that's a gamble. But again, Mullin made the trade understanding that risk -- he moved on the potential -- and even if Ike becomes a 20/10 player, that's again not a failure for the Warriors IMO because that was a calculated risk.

So why take the risk? Well, I don't know if you all have noticed, but we JUST TRADED MIKE DUNLEAVY!!! I mean, how many people have been complaining for the past year about his albatross contract and how it just saddles the Warriors. People have said it's as bad as Foyle, or worse.

Well, Mullin just moved that contract for a smaller one. He also moved Murphy at a time when Murph was just about ready to start being a 6pt 4reb back-up. Murph has been sucking all year and in a year from now this deal might have been a joke. Murph's contract could have been worse than Foyle in a year from now.

Plus we moved Keith McClang, which just makes me happy -- and we got Roonie who is a first-class point guard who could start on many NBA teams.

No, I already think this trade is successful, regardless of what happens in the future. The Warriors needed a big shak-up. They needed to find some way to get rid of Dunleavy. They needed some way to get SOMETHING back for the mega-millions they were paying Murphy. They needed players who could run the floor and finish.

They did everything in one fell swoop. Harrington wil probably mean more to the team than Murph+Dun combined this season.

Toss in Roonie, who will make a HUGE impact because he will spell Baron and do well with Nellie, and Jackson, the X-Factor, and wow! I'm thrilled.

Just the fact that this trade actually HAPPENED -- I think that makes it a success!

 

Why does talent equate statistics? Murphy can't move, Ike has talent but he doesn't fit in here in the system, and Dunleavy is like the kid that got straight Aminuses but studies 10 hours a day to barely get them. He's not a talent.

Al and Jaxson are both physically talented players. I don't know enough about the other 2. But with those 2 alone I'd say that statement is true

 

I expect the new guys to take advantage of mismatches and matchups better than Dun and Murphy. Also the new guys fit into what Nelson is trying to make, which is also based around matchups and athleticism which Harrington and Jackscon are better at than Dunleavy and Murphy. In these aspects Harrington and Jackson might be more talented. However I also expect Murphy and Ike to do well in their new situations and Dun, Murph, and Ike are all talented players. I think Harrington is the most talented from the bunch just barely, mostly because of his ability to play in Nelson's system.

I really don't mind what Murphy and Dunleavy do in Indiana. If they do well then I will be happy for them, just as I am for Arenas and Jamison with the Wizards and when Jamison was 6th man with the Mavs. The Warriors might look dumb trading Ike, however the Warriors seem to be in a better position to get in the playoffs and are in a position to keep Monta and Biedrins, which at this point makes the trade look successful.

The trade will be most successful if it makes the team better, i.e. going from a .500 team to an above .500 team and in the playoffs. But like AlleyOop said the trade is already a success in some sorts since it dumped those large contracts.

 

I think the trade will be successful if the Warriors play above .500 from here on out and make the playoffs. If they hover around .500 and miss the playoffs then it will not be successful.

If the players get along this trade will also be successful. I feel Baron disliked Dunleavy a bit because he did not finish and could not step up. I also remember reading about them griping about eachother in the media.

I dont agree that Ike could not have been a 20/10 guy here. He could have been a 20/10 guy just as easily as Harrington could here. The difference is Harrington's minutes will be at least double to triple the amount Ike was getting. If Ike would be treated the same here by Nelson as Al will be he could have been good here, but he got in Nelson's doghouse. I wish we could have found another way to get Dunleavy and Murphy out of here without losing one of our core guys like Ellis, Beans and Ike, but oh well. If that is what it took then that is what it took. Dunleavy had been playing decent this year, but Murphy was not his normal self so that probably made the trade that much harder. Heck, I would rather give up another 1st round pick this year, than to give up Ike. Oh well.

Oh yeah, if they all flop in Indy, then it will be that much sweeter!

 

Oh yeah, I forgot to say. Worse case scenario is we get a lot of money for an earlier FA shopping season or to resign our young guys. Even if Ike goes for 20/10 we still dump Murphy and Dunleavy. As long as those guys dont blow up too, it will still be a good trade...

 

It was stated previously but this isn't a competition between who got the better trade. What happens to Dun, Murph, Ike, and McKleod is irrelevant at this point.

What matters is that we see an improved quality of team play and better winning percentage going forward.

 

I think that it doesn't matter how the guys we got rid of do. They're playing in the Least in a different system. Ike and Murphy barely played, McLeod was my most hated Warrior, and Dunleavy was "underacheiving." Very short term I suspect we may drop a few being that the new guys need to learn to run with the team and play offense/defense and as much as people hate to hear it, Dunleavy helped the ball move around when he was in.

That being said, the measure of success of the trade is balance in my opinion. If the team finds its stability/consistency. You can't put a stat on it. Just knowing that you're going to have someone pick up when others drop off. I know it's very subjective, but you'll know it when you see it

 

The trade is already a success. What happens from this point forward is contigent upon the guys wearing the W's uniform. I agree with Kensaku. What the former W's do is irrelevant.

We all knew what Mike D. and Murph could do. I wouldn't be surprised if they put up the same or slightly better numbers in the East playing Rick Carlise style ball. Ike was a casualty of war basically. It was either him or Beans or Monta that would have to go, maybe even MP. Resigning all of them would have been impossible, now with the trade, signing Beans and Monta, the 2 who have shown promise in the Don Nelson style is what Mullin is allowing himself to do after the trade.

Getting Al and Sjax also increases team speed and athleticism and allows Nelson to utilize the roster better.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Warriorfansnc93 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I think the trade will be successful if the Warriors play above .500 from here on out and make the playoffs. If they hover around .500 and miss the playoffs then it will not be successful.

If the players get along this trade will also be successful. I feel Baron disliked Dunleavy a bit because he did not finish and could not step up. I also remember reading about them griping about eachother in the media.

I dont agree that Ike could not have been a 20/10 guy here. He could have been a 20/10 guy just as easily as Harrington could here. The difference is Harrington's minutes will be at least double to triple the amount Ike was getting. If Ike would be treated the same here by Nelson as Al will be he could have been good here, but he got in Nelson's doghouse. I wish we could have found another way to get Dunleavy and Murphy out of here without losing one of our core guys like Ellis, Beans and Ike, but oh well. If that is what it took then that is what it took. Dunleavy had been playing decent this year, but Murphy was not his normal self so that probably made the trade that much harder. Heck, I would rather give up another 1st round pick this year, than to give up Ike. Oh well.

Oh yeah, if they all flop in Indy, then it will be that much sweeter!</div>

Yeah....Ike is kind of the key. Of course the stuff the guys you trade go on to do is a factor....Robert Parrish + Kevin McHale?

I am bummed because I expected Nellie would re-make/optimize Ike+Murphy in the coming weeks and we'd be a multi-dimensional team that had OPTIONS. I was concerned that smallball was too much a personal crusade,a pet project- and he'd force it when it was not working. Then I'd say---whoa...Nellie's a smart coach...be patient.

We save bucks. Bottom line-when Jazzy expires,we start to have a better payroll. Harrington,despite his size,does not bring much "power" to PF,but----I now see that there WAS not going to be a POWER F anyhow....just a SF,a C,and guards. That we at least got a TWEENER is a step.

The 3 guys who will be visible,are all mediocre-at best-on D,and will launch 3's at a rate beyond what we had from Dun+ Murph.. ..not nessicerily making more. We soon will have assorted reasons to want to move Jackson,who I expect is in Nellie's doghouse soon. We may be surprised how hard he is to unload. He is cheaper than Dun,however,which will help-we just won't get much when we deal him-and we will deal him before next season.

This deal has to help us in terms of grabbing a playoff slot. Nellie did not make use of Diogu-Murphy,and using Dunleavy hurt as often as it helped---though it's ironic his last game was one of his best.

I do see some gain now....but missed opportunity to gain more furtur in the future. I lost some hope,some confidence Nellie would be pragmatic,would not depend on gimmicks too much ...now I'm kind of unsure where we are going and there's some Deja Vu...recalling how we played small long ago----often got STOMPED while we had a few big,first round guys rusting on the bench and Nellie had his little journeymen posing as our "bigs".

.....next? Well-the obvious thing would SEEM to go and draft a power guy (like Ike) who can muscle,score in a crowd,rebound.....but then...what would be the point? Ike didn't get to play...POB doesn't play,the next big guy...more DNP...we may as well look for a 3 shooting tweener and hope he's good enough we don't need rebounds.

 

I pretty much sing a same song as most of people. What Murphy, Dunleavy and Diogu do in Indiana don't have much with us. As long as Nelson is here, Murphy had to play center, and he once proved that he can't play center. Dunleavy did turn into a productive players, but Nelson still didn't like him. Also, for 9 mils, we could use better production. Nelson never seems to like relative slow undersized PF, and Diogu was no exception. To make things worse, Diogu was slow at learning plays for role players. Maybe he will flourish in Indiana or he will learn to become an effective player someday. But, that may not happen for a long time with us, and if we can cash in Diogu to trade Murphy and Dunleavy, most of us would have pulled the trade.

And, while it's irrevant, this is a great psychological lift for fans. Dunleavy was a poster boy for "What's wrong with Warriors." regardless of his production, and without automatic double-double, Murphy quickly followed Dunleavy's step. Therefore, by getting rid of those two players, it provided an instant hope for fans. Whether the hope is a real or fake... We will see soon enough.

But, in order for this trade to become successful, Harrington has to be a relatively effective player. Jackson is a dead weight we had to receive, and Sarunas will probably gone when his contract ends due to salary problem. However, Harrington is a player we really wanted during the offseason, and we actually got him less than what we were trying to pay, since we were set to pay him 10+ mil per year. If Harrongton flops and become a dead weight like Dunleavy or Murphy, we may be in a same or even worse situation than where we were. But, I really don't doubt that Harrington will be at least relatively effective. Last time Nelson coached similar twinner, Jamison, he made Jamison a 6th man of the year. In a sense, it's kinda taking a full circle, since we traded Jamison for Dunleavy, then we traded Dunleavy for Harrington...

 

<div class="quote_poster">Kwan1031 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I pretty much sing a same song as most of people. What Murphy, Dunleavy and Diogu do in Indiana don't have much with us. As long as Nelson is here, Murphy had to play center, and he once proved that he can't play center. Dunleavy did turn into a productive players, but Nelson still didn't like him. Also, for 9 mils, we could use better production. Nelson never seems to like relative slow undersized PF, and Diogu was no exception. To make things worse, Diogu was slow at learning plays for role players. Maybe he will flourish in Indiana or he will learn to become an effective player someday. But, that may not happen for a long time with us, and if we can cash in Diogu to trade Murphy and Dunleavy, most of us would have pulled the trade.

And, while it's irrevant, this is a great psychological lift for fans. Dunleavy was a poster boy for "What's wrong with Warriors." regardless of his production, and without automatic double-double, Murphy quickly followed Dunleavy's step. Therefore, by getting rid of those two players, it provided an instant hope for fans. Whether the hope is a real or fake... We will see soon enough.

But, in order for this trade to become successful, Harrington has to be a relatively effective player. Jackson is a dead weight we had to receive, and Sarunas will probably gone when his contract ends due to salary problem. However, Harrington is a player we really wanted during the offseason, and we actually got him less than what we were trying to pay, since we were set to pay him 10+ mil per year. If Harrongton flops and become a dead weight like Dunleavy or Murphy, we may be in a same or even worse situation than where we were. But, I really don't doubt that Harrington will be at least relatively effective. Last time Nelson coached similar twinner, Jamison, he made Jamison a 6th man of the year. In a sense, it's kinda taking a full circle, since we traded Jamison for Dunleavy, then we traded Dunleavy for Harrington...</div>

Excellent words, Kwan!