<div class="quote_poster">Karma Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Actually, I wasn't trying to be funny. It's what you always do when someone mentions his name, so therefore I was just waiting for the inevitable. You get your balls all twisted trying to defend him. Oh, by the way, stop taking everything so seriously, as if people have a personal agenda against you, whether it be people who judge your battles or people who hate on one of your favourite rappers. You need to relax dude.</div> I don't get my balls twisted trying to defend him. I don't know how many times I have to say this, but do you even read what I say about him: <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I take Wayne's music for what its worth, thats why he isn't overrated to me. When I listen to a Wayne album--I'm listening because I'm not in the mood for music with actual substance and a message behind it. I'm listening for a few catchy lines/songs that I can play.</div> Also I'm not taking anything serious, I'm on a laptop typing. Plus all I did was tell Locke how I felt about how he judges. Of course I waited until I lost to tell him that, because it wouldn't make sense for me to tell him if I was still battling. He can talk about how we can rap, so I can talk about how he judges, it's just my opinion- I'm not taking anything serious. Fall back with that talk man, I'm on JBB to argue and have fun, its nothing to me.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">How did I put down people in the hood?</div> As NTC187 stated, Jeezy's/Wayne's music is trash. Why? It's the same dumbed down material every south rapper is focusing on right now, women, cars, drugs, guns, etc. There's no substance and from what I've gathered he has a rather good view of hip-hop and the respectable artists that are still around. In that sense, because of his knowledge of hip hop and because he might encompass the higher echelon of hip-hop's listeners into what it's true form is, you dumbed down the hood because you stated that they like that Jeezy/Wayne trash. You put them on the same level as Jeezy/Wayne. That's pretty low, considering those fellas aren't even toilet paper worthy. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">How many hoods have you been to in the South?</div> How in the hell does this matter? Are you implying that we can only gather information from first hand experience? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Because thats where the majority of Jeezy's fanbase comes from, and I've seen it first hand. I've been to the swamp meets with Jeezy gear EVERYWHERE.</div> Well, you must be oh so lucky! I've got empty Congratulations certificates just waiting on your name. I live in the south, I witness the deterioration of hip hop first hand. It's sickening to see a dude pull up blastin' a Wayne/Jeezy CD or whatever else other hack showed up on MTV/BET this week. As for the Nas thing, I was merely making a reference of how you can listen to Lil Wayne, and Nas. When Nas is the one that is strictly against the message and image Wayne produces.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">How did I put down people in the hood? How many hoods have you been to in the South? Because thats where the majority of Jeezy's fanbase comes from, and I've seen it first hand. I've been to the swamp meets with Jeezy gear EVERYWHERE.</div> A bit off-topic, but I grew up in a hood in the South, in Orange Mound, Tennessee, and nobody really gave a damn about Jeezy. It was all about Three-Six and the whole Hypnotize crew. It's pretty much the same way in all the other southern hoods where I've got family/friends: Georgetown, MS; Frayser, TN; West Memphis, AR; Decatur, GA; etc. Florida isn't the South either. It's a completely different culture. Usually, when people refer to the south, they're talking about East Texas (Houston, etc.), Arkansas, Kentucky, Tennessee, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, and the western parts of North Carolina and South Carolina. Florida and the Atlantic Coast is nothing like Mississippi, Nawlins, Bluff City, etc. BTW - "Southern" rap does not put an emphasis on lyrical content for a reason. It's not because they're not capable of it but rather because they simply value style over substance. Why is that a bad thing? Don't compare them to non-Southern rappers, because it's a different kind of music. That's like comparing apples to oranges.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Well, you must be oh so lucky! I've got empty Congratulations certificates just waiting on your name. I live in the south, I witness the deterioration of hip hop first hand. It's sickening to see a dude pull up blastin' a Wayne/Jeezy CD or whatever else other hack showed up on MTV/BET this week. </div> My message to you: Let people like what they want to like. Everybody has different taste. What can you do about it? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">As NTC187 stated, Jeezy's/Wayne's music is trash. Why? It's the same dumbed down material every south rapper is focusing on right now, women, cars, drugs, guns, etc. There's no substance and from what I've gathered he has a rather good view of hip-hop and the respectable artists that are still around. In that sense, because of his knowledge of hip hop and because he might encompass the higher echelon of hip-hop's listeners into what it's true form is, you dumbed down the hood because you stated that they like that Jeezy/Wayne trash. You put them on the same level as Jeezy/Wayne. That's pretty low, considering those fellas aren't even toilet paper worthy.</div> I can't put them on any level they didn't put themselves on. I just merely stated what I think is true, and that is people from the hood like Jeezy. You think if people from hoods heard me say: "a lot of people from the hoods in the south like Jeezy" their going to get offended? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> How in the hell does this matter? Are you implying that we can only gather information from first hand experience?</div> It matters to a point where you could see for yourself how people in the hood feel Jeezy's music and his entire "I'm a trap star" image. First hand experience makes a point. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> As for the Nas thing, I was merely making a reference of how you can listen to Lil Wayne, and Nas. When Nas is the one that is strictly against the message and image Wayne produces.</div> How is Nas strictly against the image Wayne produces? Nas is the same person whose favorite rapper in the Game is The Game himself. The same person who has made songs with Game. Game basically produceds the same message Wayne does. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">A bit off-topic, but I grew up in a hood in the South (Orange Mound, TN), and nobody gave a damn about Jeezy. It was all about Three-Six and the whole Hypnotize crew. It's pretty much the same way in all the other southern hoods where I've got family/friends: Georgetown, MS; Frayser, TN; West Memphis, AR; Decatur, GA.</div> Well your talking in past tense, when you say nobody gave a damn about Jeezy. Thats because the time you grew up in the hood was a different time. Jeezy just stepped on the scene about 2-3 years ago. Florida isn't the south? What is it then? Florida isn't really in the southern hip hop game as much as the other southern states, but I'm not sure why you think the culture is completely different. FLA is definitely influenced by ATL, and Houston, etc.
<div class="quote_poster">A.F. Venom Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Well your talking in past tense, when you say nobody gave a damn about Jeezy. Thats because the time you grew up in the hood was a different time. Jeezy just stepped on the scene about 2-3 years ago. Florida isn't the south? What is it then? Florida isn't really in the southern hip hop game as much as the other southern states, but I'm not sure why you think the culture is completely different. FLA is definitely influenced by ATL, and Houston, etc.</div> I just moved up here this year, and I was back home all winter break. Florida's different not in terms of hip-hop necessarily, but more importantly, in terms of culture. I've been to Florida on vacation a lot... Miami, Tampa, Destin, etc. That's like my one vacation spot where my parents could always afford to go and camp out in our trailers, and we didn't just do the whole beach thing but made it all around the state. I'm not claiming to know as much about your area as you do, having grown up there, but hell, there's a noticable difference in the way people speak, dress, act, etc. It's not the "dirty" south. It's a lot richer of an area economically, it's a lot nicer of a climate, a different way of interpretting the English language, etc. It's just not country, dirty, grimmy South. It's more like Southern California. I'm sure UK would know what I mean... (and that's a compliment by the way... the rest of the South is a shithole, even in the burbs)
<div class="quote_poster">Voodoo Child Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I just moved up here this year, and I was back home all winter break. Florida's different not in terms of hip-hop necessarily, but more importantly, in terms of culture. I've been to Florida on vacation a lot... Miami, Tampa, Destin, etc. That's like my one vacation spot where my parents could always afford to go and camp out in our trailers, and we didn't just do the whole beach thing but made it all around the state. I'm not claiming to know as much about your area as you do, having grown up there, but hell, there's a noticable difference in the way people speak, dress, act, etc. It's not the "dirty" south. It's a lot richer of an area economically, it's a lot nicer of a climate, a different way of interpretting the English language, etc. It's just not country, dirty, grimmy South. It's more like Southern California. I'm sure UK would know what I mean...</div> I'm in the Destin area right now lol. Niceville .....But you have to be in certain parts of Florida. But your going to get a different vibe in trailers man. There's areas all over Florida that are just like the rest of the "dirty" south. Those areas aren't vacation spots. Pensocola, Duval, certain parts of Tampa, Ocala, etc are more "southern" if you'll say. Hell there's even a major difference in culture in the SMALL area I live in. Go from Destin and Ft. Walton and you could tell what I mean.
<div class="quote_poster">A.F. Venom Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I'm in the Destin area right now lol. Niceville .....But you have to be in certain parts of Florida. But your going to get a different vibe in trailers man. There's areas all over Florida that are just like the rest of the "dirty" south. Those areas aren't vacation spots. Pensocola, Duval, certain parts of Tampa, Ocala, etc are more "southern" if you'll say. Hell there's even a major difference in culture in the SMALL area I live in. Go from Destin and Ft. Walton and you could tell what I mean.</div> You live in Destin? Holy ****, I am jealous. That place is heaven... I wanna move there when I get a career bro'! I know there are hoods and rough areas of Florida, and there are rednecky areas, but that's not really what I mean by culture. It's a real intangible quality... BTW - I still can't get over that you're in Destin. Lucky asshole.
I don't really like Destin, its more of a ok I'm done with my career so I'm going to settle down place. Rather than what I'm looking for as a 16 year old. It is nice though.
<div class="quote_poster">A.F. Venom Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">My message to you: Let people like what they want to like. Everybody has different taste. What can you do about it?</div> I can maybe direct people to something better. If you have an opinion, you should share it, in hopes that you find common ground with that person. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting A.F. Venom:</div><div class="quote_post">I can't put them on any level they didn't put themselves on. I just merely stated what I think is true, and that is people from the hood like Jeezy. You think if people from hoods heard me say: "a lot of people from the hoods in the south like Jeezy" their going to get offended?</div> If they knew the back story, then yes. If you drop in and tell them, "Ha, Jeezy's a hack!" they could probably care less, but if you presented the whole situation it would go down different. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting A.F. Venom:</div><div class="quote_post">It matters to a point where you could see for yourself how people in the hood feel Jeezy's music and his entire "I'm a trap star" image. First hand experience makes a point.</div> Yeah, but why if I can get that same information through different outlets. Being on the front lines isn't always the best way to come to information. Trust me. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting A.F. Venom:</div><div class="quote_post">How is Nas strictly against the image Wayne produces? Nas is the same person whose favorite rapper in the Game is The Game himself. The same person who has made songs with Game. Game basically produces the same message Wayne does.</div> Wayne and the Game, the same? That's an insult to both camps. They are both terrible, terrible rappers, that take away so much from the game. I will give Game the upper hand though, because he can make something hot without his daddy or ghostwriters. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting VC:</div><div class="quote_post">(and that's a compliment by the way... the rest of the South is a shithole, even in the burbs)</div> Hell yeah. I keep telling myself that I gotta move up north where the civilized people are. BTW, Destin is nice, I went there this past summer and had one hell of a time.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">No, I said the same thing a few posts up. I'll give Wayne credit, in that every now and then he'll come up with a sub par punch line, but Jeezy just has nothing, its like hes a poet and he doesnt even know it type ish' with him. </div> Yeah Wayne > Jeezy
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Wayne and the Game, the same? That's an insult to both camps. They are both terrible, terrible rappers, that take away so much from the game. I will give Game the upper hand though, because he can make something hot without his daddy or ghostwriters.</div> Never said they were the same person, both deliver the same message in their raps, but your the one who said Nas was against the very same message--when in fact he stated that he is a fan of Game. Wayne has no ghostwriter either. And make hot songs without his "daddy"? Uhm but he has done that (TCII, TCI, Dedication 1, Dedication 2, numerous of other mixtapes), you act like Wayne relies on Birdman to make a hot song. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I can maybe direct people to something better. If you have an opinion, you should share it, in hopes that you find common ground with that person.</div> Most people won't listen these days.
These are some quality lines from Young Jeezy him self <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">"Five thousand for the pound, get your curb service Sell a lot of grass, like I got a lawn service" "Everyday is like a game call it fear factor Gotta trunk full of bricks like a contractor" "And this the realist **** I ever wrote And all eyes on me, like a microscope" "Take you back when I was sixteen wits a bankroll Posted on a corner like a light pole" "I see opportunity, I'm an opportunist ***** ya heard what I said, I'm an opportunist " "I come and take the game like John Madden Cause I played in the game like John Madden " "I put my top down so I'm closer to Gaaaaawd (God)"</div>
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> "And this the realist **** I ever wrote And all eyes on me, like a microscope" </div> lmao at him taking the first line from Against All Odds and tryin to make a Pac reference on the second line.
Outside the forum it said: (2 Viewing) The Dream presents "The... And for some reason I thought it would say "Re-up" next
<div class="quote_poster">phunDamentalz Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">umm who deleted my post yet didn't have the nuts to tell me about it?</div> Are you sure you submitted it? I can see all the deleted posts in a thread, and I don't see any of your posts that have been deleted, unless someone with administrative abilities came in and permanently erased it, which I doubt, because I haven't seen shape or Hunter around here in a while. It probably just didn't get sent right.
To be honest, I don't think many people rate these as their top artists. Maybe younger kids though but I don't think many people actually admit to these being the best.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">(and that's a compliment by the way... the rest of the South is a shithole, even in the burbs) </div> u talkin down? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm in the Destin area right now lol. Niceville .....But you have to be in certain parts of Florida. But your going to get a different vibe in trailers man. There's areas all over Florida that are just like the rest of the "dirty" south. Those areas aren't vacation spots. Pensocola, Duval, certain parts of Tampa, Ocala, etc are more "southern" if you'll say. Hell there's even a major difference in culture in the SMALL area I live in. Go from Destin and Ft. Walton and you could tell what I mean.</div> My family is originally from Florida (on my mom and dads side) so I can see where both of you'll are coming from.....there are parts of Florida that are as country as you're gonna get.....My "big mama" stays in a small town near Pensacola and that place is nothing but trees, dirt roads, and their main store is the "Piggly Wiggly".....but a lot of my family is from Orlando and there are some differences in the people there....I still consider them southern though.
<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">u talkin down? </div> Just a little self-deprication... Found this on wikipedia btw, it's a modern map of the south - The darker, the more "southern." I don't agree 100%, but it kinda supports what I was saying. That above is the deep south, this is the south Atlantic -
I'll admit that the boondocks aren't a place where I'd want to start a family, I even get bored visiting my Big Mama over a 2 day period
