Anyways... Let's get to it. *1. Houston Texans - Reggie Bush, RB USC* **2. New Orleans Saints - D'Brickashaw Furguson, OT Virginia** 3. Tennessee Titans - Matt Leinhart, QB USC 4. New York Jets - Mario Williams, DE North Carolina State 5. Green Bay Packers - A.J Hawk, OLB Ohio State 6. San Francisco 49ers - Vernon Davis, TE Maryland 7. Oakland Raiders - Vince Young, QB Texas 8. Buffalo Bills - Brodrick Bunkley, DT Florida State 9. Detriot Lions - Michael Huff, S Texas 10. Arizona Cardinals - Winston Justice, OT USC 11. St. Louis Rams - Tye Hill, CB Clemson 12. Cleveland Browns - Chad Greenway, OLB Iowa 13. Baltimore Ravens - Jimmy Williams, CB Virginia Tech 14. Philidelphia Eagles - Santonio Holmes, WR Ohio State 15. Denver Broncos (From Atlanta) - DeAngelo Williams, RB Memphis 16. Miami Dolphins - Kelly Jennings, CB Miami (Fl) ***17. Minnesota Vikings - Jay Cutler, QB Vanderbilt*** 18. Dallas Cowboys - Donte Whitner, S Ohio State 19. San Diego Chargers - Chad Jackson, WR Florida 20. Kansas City Chiefs - Ashton Youboty, CB Ohio State 21. New England Patriots - Ernie Sims, OLB Florida State 22. Denver Broncos (From Washington) - Tamba Hali, DE Penn State 23. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Mathias Kiwanuka, DE Boston College 24. Cincinnati Bengals - Leonard Pope, TE Georgia 25. New York Giants - Manny Lawson, DE North Carolina State 26. Chicago Bears - Sinorice Moss, WR Miami (Fl) 27. Carolina Panthers - LenDale White, RB USC 28. Jacksonville Jaguars - Antonio Cromartie, CB Florida State 29. New York Jets (From Denver) - Nick Mangold, C Ohio State 30. Indianapolis Colts - Laurence Maroney, RB Minnesota 31. Seattle Seahawks - Taitusi Lutui, OG USC 32. Pittsburgh Steelers - Ko Simpson, S South Carolina There are some events yet to be fortold. * Means that Houston had spent some time with Mario Williams with contract talks and hoping they can get him at a fair price even with the first pick and if they chose him over Bush, everything will go WHACKO! ** The Saints might possibly trade down a couple of slots to draft a defensive player like A.J Hawk. If not, they will go for some protection to Brees by drafting a linemen. And they might let Jamaal Brown and D'Brickashaw Furguson battle for the left tackle spot. They won't got for Mario Williams because of the possible first pick and the fact that they are set at DE. *** The Vikings "might be willing" to pick Cutler if they cannot get Atlanta to let go of Matt Schaub, who is rumored to be used as trade bait in the draft. I'll post my updated one a couple days before the draft. Overall, after asking a couple of my friends about this draft, I was rated between a B to B-. Which I am okay with, what about you guys?
yea its a good draft but how can u really rate a good draft untill there is a real one to compare to if bush were to be not taken first idk wat would happen in the 15 mins between the first and 2nd pick but their would be a riot
The new York Giants had the best DE Combination in the league last year why would they draft a DE in the first round???
Kelly Jennings is too high.. He's not a top 20 pick. Cutler won't fall that far... Hali and Kiwi stock have really fell. There pro days were awful and Kiwi blew it at the senior bowl. He did have a decent combine though. Kinda hard to see any WR go before Chad Jackson. Look at some of his workout numbers.. There much better than Holmes.. Ko Simpson is a mid 2nd to early 3rd round pick now. His stock has falling out of round 1 completely. Lawson only projects to a WLB in the 3-4. A team like the Jets in late round 1 would be an ideal spot for him. San Fran in round 2. Maybe New England in round 1. Miami is a long shot if for some reason he rises up boards. Pretty good though... Hope it's not your final one though..
Lawson is the biggest sleeper in the draft because their is a possibity that he could go to the browns at the 12th pick. With a 4.41 he is skyrockting up draft boards. Anything can happen
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (panthersare#1)</div><div class='quotemain'>Lawson is the biggest sleeper in the draft because their is a possibity that he could go to the browns at the 12th pick. With a 4.41 he is skyrockting up draft boards. Anything can happen</div> I'll tell you this right now.. I no he's your boy from NC St. but he's not going to go #12 in this Draft. There are way to many better prospects at #12. Maybe Cleveland trades down to get him but they won't take him at #12. Highest he goes now in my opinion is #22 in SF which realistically could happen.. There's too many flaws in his game...
I just read Sporting News and they have Lawson going to Cleveland at #12. Lawson has way more upside than Greenway and is great at getting to the QB, he had 10.5 sacks last season, and 19.5 tackles for loss. He is the real deal. Im also hoping John McCargo seeps into the 1st round.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (panthersare#1)</div><div class='quotemain'>I just read Sporting News and they have Lawson going to Cleveland at #12. Lawson has way more upside than Greenway and is great at getting to the QB, he had 10.5 sacks last season, and 19.5 tackles for loss. He is the real deal. Im also hoping John McCargo seeps into the 1st round.</div> Sporting News can say what they want... I'll take ESPN's and Scouts.com word over Sporting news and I'll throw in what I think as well.. Lawson isn't worth the #12 pick.. Haloti Ngata, Winston Justice, Brodrick Bunkley, and Kamerion Wimbley are all much much better picks...
I agree that Bunkley, Justice, Ngata are better, but if they are off the board Lawson would be a good pick for the browns. i dont think Wimbley is better than lawson. Lawson is an athlethic freak, but was overshadowned by Mario Williams.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (panthersare#1)</div><div class='quotemain'>I agree that Bunkley, Justice, Ngata are better, but if they are off the board Lawson would be a good pick for the browns. i dont think Wimbley is better than lawson. Lawson is an athlethic freak, but was overshadowned by Mario Williams.</div> Wimbley is stronger though and takes on blockers much better. Lawson isn't a freak.. He's a fast runner.. A freak is Vernon Davis. Strong as a bull and fast as well. Lawson relies on his speed way too much. He can play the WLB in the 3-4 and that's it. I think he'll be a great player there as well. The chances of Bunkley, Ngata, and Justice all off the board when they pick are slim too none at all. Wimbley is more of a Crennell guy in my opinion. I also don't think either or is the prospect that Merrimen and Ware were coming out.
Heres a nice highlight film of Manny Lawson: http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=28f418f9...ae4846c77f5c&f=
I rate Greenway way higher than Lawson because by my experience watching his games, he has more endurance and some "experts" have compared him to Seattle's Lofa Tatupu. He can give it 100% throughout the game unlike others. BTW, the Giants do have the best DE combination but you can always put Lawson out at OLB if you want because of his speed. BTW, Lawson is not a sleeper, he's just overrated. And yes, panthersare#1 says that he was overshadowed by Mario Williams. I just have him labeled under DE that's all. I think the second half of the draft will be changed a bit because of the Denver-San Francisco trade. I don't really like Wimbley, I don't have enough evidence to show that he is worth going in the first round by my standards. If you have proof or stats that can prove me wrong than I'll take that into account for the final one. And the Steelers pick, IDK what they are looking for because they have a need for WR, but I'm afraid of Miami's past with WR's in the NFL and Sinorice Moss doesn't have the "First Round Flashiness" and they can look at Santonio Holmes but he's been under the radar in most mock drafts. And Tampa Bay might be looking at Holmes as well so it might pursuade me for the Steelers to pick a safety or center. I might switch it up with Jason Allen, senior from Tennessee. But I see younger players excelling rather than older ones. About the Dolphins pick, yeah, I'm going to change it to Johnathan Joseph, because Kelly Jennings is a bit undersized for a cornerback. About Kiwi and Hali, I try to ignore the combine/pro day stats and only look at the "video clips" I've seen at the NFL Network, etc. If I did go with the combine and stuff, then Young would be the first QB taken. About Cutler, Arizona might look at Cutler but I doubt it since they rather keep that old guy, Kurt Warner rather than Josh McCown, who went to Detriot and they need some protection for him. The Ravens might look at him as well but by Ozzie Newsome's ability to see the future, the probability of McNair to Baltimore is highly possible. So he might drop to the Vikings or Dallas. END STORY
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MKIV_Supra)</div><div class='quotemain'>I rate Greenway way higher than Lawson because by my experience watching his games, he has more endurance and some "experts" have compared him to Seattle's Lofa Tatupu. He can give it 100% throughout the game unlike others. BTW, the Giants do have the best DE combination but you can always put Lawson out at OLB if you want because of his speed. BTW, Lawson is not a sleeper, he's just overrated. And yes, panthersare#1 says that he was overshadowed by Mario Williams. I just have him labeled under DE that's all. I think the second half of the draft will be changed a bit because of the Denver-San Francisco trade. I don't really like Wimbley, I don't have enough evidence to show that he is worth going in the first round by my standards. If you have proof or stats that can prove me wrong than I'll take that into account for the final one. And the Steelers pick, IDK what they are looking for because they have a need for WR, but I'm afraid of Miami's past with WR's in the NFL and Sinorice Moss doesn't have the "First Round Flashiness" and they can look at Santonio Holmes but he's been under the radar in most mock drafts. And Tampa Bay might be looking at Holmes as well so it might pursuade me for the Steelers to pick a safety or center. I might switch it up with Jason Allen, senior from Tennessee. But I see younger players excelling rather than older ones. About the Dolphins pick, yeah, I'm going to change it to Johnathan Joseph, because Kelly Jennings is a bit undersized for a cornerback. About Kiwi and Hali, I try to ignore the combine/pro day stats and only look at the "video clips" I've seen at the NFL Network, etc. If I did go with the combine and stuff, then Young would be the first QB taken. About Cutler, Arizona might look at Cutler but I doubt it since they rather keep that old guy, Kurt Warner rather than Josh McCown, who went to Detriot and they need some protection for him. The Ravens might look at him as well but by Ozzie Newsome's ability to see the future, the probability of McNair to Baltimore is highly possible. So he might drop to the Vikings or Dallas. END STORY</div> Lawson can't play LB in the 4-3.. He can't take on blockers.. He's got one position only in the NFL he projects at and he projects well there. That's WLB in the 3-4 scheme.... Giants run a 4-3.. SF runs a 3-4.. hmmm possibly he goes there.. If you watched clips of any Texas Tech or Hawaii QB I'm sure they'll look like top 10 picks.. Better yet I bet Ken Dorsey's video clips are pretty darn good. He went round 7.. I bet LenDale White's are nice as well.. You have to take an account the Senior Bowl and pro days.. NFL Scouts do.. Teams do.. Combine and Senior Bowl are especially important.. Hali and "Kiwi" both played bad at both. Hali not so much the Senior Bowl but he bombed his pro day running only a 4.88 40 yard dash on a said to be fast track. At the Senior Bowl "Kiwi" was stood up on a consistent basis by your better OT prospects. Guys like Marcus McNeil or Eric Winston.. Not taking an account pro days, combine, and Senior Bowl is I hate to say stupid but not very smart when it comes to the Draft..
I believe the combine & pro days are taken into account when rating players of similar positions up against each other, but where most of them project in the draft should have been determined long before IMO. I think LenDale White is still a 1st round pick. If Willis MaGahee can get taken in the 1st then surely there's a team willing to take a chance on White. I think Hali & Kiwi are still 1st round picks too. They're the only true DEs behind Super Mario with a 1st round grade & that is a position that will always be in high demand. Wimbley & Lawson are projected as LB's in the NFL. Only adding to the surplus of talent available at that position. Trying to rank all these guys is what makes this draft virtually impossible to predict. Then there's the DB's that have suddenly crept their way into the 1st round discussion. Allen, Whitner, Joesph & even Jennings have been mentioned in the same breathe with Jimmy Williams, Tye Hill, Ashton Youboty & Antonio Cromartie.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bakes781)</div><div class='quotemain'>I believe the combine & pro days are taken into account when rating players of similar positions up against each other, but where most of them project in the draft should have been determined long before IMO. I think LenDale White is still a 1st round pick. If Willis MaGahee can get taken in the 1st then surely there's a team willing to take a chance on White. I think Hali & Kiwi are still 1st round picks too. They're the only true DEs behind Super Mario with a 1st round grade & that is a position that will always be in high demand. Wimbley & Lawson are projected as LB's in the NFL. Only adding to the surplus of talent available at that position. Trying to rank all these guys is what makes this draft virtually impossible to predict. Then there's the DB's that have suddenly crept their way into the 1st round discussion. Allen, Whitner, Joesph & even Jennings have been mentioned in the same breathe with Jimmy Williams, Tye Hill, Ashton Youboty & Antonio Cromartie.</div> I agree except with Hali and Kiwi being true DE's. There both vastly undersize which hurts their stock. Slow and small drops them both two round 2. Teams won't reach for them because there the next best after Mario Williams. They'll look at whose the BPA and maybe Hali is taken late round 1 by a team like the Jaguars but Kiwi is entirely out of round 1 in my opinion. He doesnt have a round 1 grade. Wimbley and Lawson project as 3-4 LB's. That's one thing I notice. A lot of people want to put them at 4-3 LB. They don't project there.
I think the 49ers will pick Manny Lawson with the 22nd pick if they do not bring in Arrington, or Jimmy Williams or Tye Hill are still up for grabs. I think this because losing Peterson is a huge blow, and Manny Lawson can come close to replacing him.
Another interesting possibility is if the 49ers take Huff or Hawk over Vernon Davis at 6. Suddenly the Pats become a great trading partner for teams like the Bengals, Bears & Panthers who are looking to possibly draft a TE.
Yeah if SF passes on Davis at #6 which I don't see happening (but I'm really high on Davis) then I think SF could look at DeAngelo Williams or Santonio Holmes then.. I have them going Vernon Davis and Manny Lawson though..
