Finally somebody who thinks Kobe is the 1st half's MVP

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  1. kobe23

    kobe23 JBB JustBBall Member

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">MVP: Kobe Bryant, Lakers

    Dirk Nowitzki is the best player on the best team. Steve Nash is putting up numbers better than in his previous two MVP seasons. Dwyane Wade has kept the Heat afloat in Shaq's absence. But for all-around performance on both ends of the court -- while also making his team a winner -- Bryant is the MVP over the season's first half.

    Bryant's scoring average (28.3) is actually down seven points from a year ago, but his assists (5.5) and shooting percentage (47.1) are up as he has finally heeded those calls to be more of a team player. He hasn't let offseason knee surgery or the loss of Lamar Odom, Chris Mihm and Kwame Brown to injuries slow him down either. Few picked the Lakers to be better than a bubble playoff team, but Bryant has almost single-handedly made them one of the top four or five teams in the West. Can he keep it up? We'll see. But for now, he's the best choice.</div>

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writ...dseason.awards/

    Finally! i really hate it how writers even IGNORE kobe and vote for the favorite in Nash, they dont even take into mind that the Suns are 0-6 against the best teams in the NBA ... Even Dirk deserves it more than Nash
     
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    Kobe certainly deserves to be mentioned in MVP talks, but I'd rank him 3rd below Dirk and Nash at this point in the season.
     
  3. SpeeJ

    SpeeJ JBB JustBBall Member

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    Kobe is the MVP in my opinion at the moment, he has improved his game and showing his playmaking abilty, but why do you hate Nash? Yes they have been bad against good teams but this doesent mean that Nash doesent deserve mentioning.
     
  4. Mamba

    Mamba The King is Back Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I don't even care if he gets the MVP award, I think Nash is deserving this year (compared to last year). Also, Kobe doesn't care if he gets the award.

    I still don't see the big thing with Dirk. He's been playing like this for a few years now, why all of a sudden is it so great?
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Mamba Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I don't even care if he gets the MVP award, I think Nash is deserving this year (compared to last year). Also, Kobe doesn't care if he gets the award.

    I still don't see the big thing with Dirk. He's been playing like this for a few years now, why all of a sudden is it so great?</div>

    Well it has only been this year and last season that he has had 28+ PER. I also don't think his team is as talented as Phoenix.

    http://www.knickerblogger.net/stats/2007/jh_ALL_PER.htm
     
  6. Sex Panther

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    I'd go:

    1. Dirk
    2. Nash
    3. Kobe

    His team needs atleast 55-56 wins to consider him for MVP especially since Dallas and Pheonix are on pace to win 60+. I expect him to go 29-6-6-48% by season's end so he stands a chance.
     
  7. Pablo23

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    Let's not forget to mentioned that he Lakers are undefeated in the Pacific Division and have one of the top records againts the elite. But then again we are loosing to mediocre teams. I truly believe that Kobe is playing Jordanesque, he is finally reaching that level of making his teammates better and is a lock down on defensive side. Nash is a great player but a weak defender. Same with Dirk. Kobe is both. I hate to be bias but Kobe truly desrves the MVP award this year.
     
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    Kobe's played horrible D this year, he's only had a few instances where he's played great D. This year, he's been average at best.
     
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    Kobe's D is improving in the last few games.

    I will rank kobe and Nash tie for 2nd after Dirk. If you look at phoenix, they got 3 all-stars and bunch of good players. Kobe has whom? no one but a injuried Odom.

    Dirk is the best now since he only has a few good players but no all-star except himself but his team still get the best record.
     
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    I'd put Kobe just behind Nash. I agree with Mamba, Dirk hasn't done anything special this year as compared to other years, his team is just winning. You could put Bargnani on a team that deep instead of Dirk, and they'd still make the playoffs. He's a great scorer and a good rebounder, but he doesn't do much else and he doesn't make his teammates better.

    Nash doesn't play lock-down defense, but he plays good team defense, and as Bill walton said last night, that's just important. Great offense gives a team confidence and leads to good defense, so I think everybody would take offense over defense any day of the week. Kobe is a good defender, but the Lakers play horrible team defense, so you can't use that argument in his favour anyway.

    That being said, Kobe is the best bet for MVP after Nash, and if the Lakers win 55+, then I think he should win it.
     
  11. phunDamentalz

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    <div class="quote_poster">XSV Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">You could put Bargnani on a team that deep instead of Dirk, and they'd still make the playoffs. .</div>
    no way they would. Golden State would be better. besides we're not talking about making the playoffs, we're talking about contending for a title. Dirk IS the Mavs. They will all tell you. Howard and Terry are quite inconsistent. Dirk is the most consistent player in several years of this league. You obviously have not seen Dirk play in the last year. He typically takes about 10 Free throws a game, shoots about 2 3-pointers and screams for the ball in crunch time
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Mamba Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I don't even care if he gets the MVP award, I think Nash is deserving this year (compared to last year). Also, Kobe doesn't care if he gets the award.

    I still don't see the big thing with Dirk. He's been playing like this for a few years now, why all of a sudden is it so great?</div>

    If you watched him play enough you would see. The fact his team has the best record means he deserves to get It. It's will be a joke If he doesn't if Dallas stays first.
     
  13. kobe23

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    <div class="quote_poster">Mamba Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I don't even care if he gets the MVP award, I think Nash is deserving this year (compared to last year). Also, Kobe doesn't care if he gets the award.

    I still don't see the big thing with Dirk. He's been playing like this for a few years now, why all of a sudden is it so great?</div>

    So you mean that just because he does not want it, they wont consider giving it to him? LOL
     
  14. Skiptomylue11

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    <div class="quote_poster">kobe23 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">So you mean that just because he does not want it, they wont consider giving it to him? LOL</div>
    I guess that might be a factor. If you have two people who are equal in their productivity, and one really wants it and the other doesn't want it.

    I would probably choose the one who wants it.
     
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    I don't think Kobe "doesn't care about getting the MVP." I'm pretty sure he wants the MVP award, but it's not high on his priority. Personallly, I would be glad if Kobe wins, but I honestly don't care THAT much. Individual accomplishments are good, but team accomplishments are great
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Omarion Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I guess that might be a factor. If you have two people who are equal in their productivity, and one really wants it and the other doesn't want it.

    I would probably choose the one who wants it.</div>

    I also believe Kobe is being Politically Correct. I also don't think there is ever a situation when two candidates are exactly equal. Someone always has some type of frivolous edge.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I also believe Kobe is being Politically Correct. I also don't think there is ever a situation when two candidates are exactly equal. Someone always has some type of frivolous edge.</div>
    Yea, I know in basketball two candidates are ever exactly equal, that one player is usually stronger in certain areas, and vice versa. But the Shaq/Nash two years ago was pretty close (for an example)- although totally different skillsets.

    What do you mean by Kobe was being politically correct?
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Omarion Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yea, I know in basketball two candidates are ever exactly equal, that one player is usually stronger in certain areas, and vice versa. But the Shaq/Nash two years ago was pretty close (for an example)- although totally different skillsets.

    What do you mean by Kobe was being politically correct?</div>

    For example, I recall in the Heisman voting (College football award), one is not supposed to vote for them self (at least not first) on the ballot. This is sort of a similar situation. People aren't supposed to anoint themselves as the best of anything (e.g. Starbury).
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">For example, I recall in the Heisman voting (College football award), one is not supposed to vote for them self (at least not first) on the ballot. This is sort of a similar situation. People aren't supposed to anoint themselves as the best of anything (e.g. Starbury).</div>To say you want something isn't the same as saying I'm the best.

    Lamar Odom could say I would love to win the MVP award, and it doesn't mean he is being cocky.

    I guess it doesn't matter too much anyway.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Omarion Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">To say you want something isn't the same as saying I'm the best.

    Lamar Odom could say I would love to win the MVP award, and it doesn't mean he is being cocky.

    I guess it doesn't matter too much anyway.</div>

    Well you forget you're talking about Kobe. He's the type of person that could garner a Starbury-like reaction from saying "I want to be MVP". It doesn't matter anyway.
     

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