<div class="quote_poster">philsmith75 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Watched a little of the Pacers on Sunday night (?) and sadly I do not miss Dunleavy's passive game. He actually made the first bucket with a dunk off a screen, then reverted back to what we've seen the past 4 years. Too bad, he is what he is. If only Harrington would hustle for rebounds.</div> Did anyone see the play where both Dun and Murph were duped by Webber after he grabbed an offensive rebound? He faked a pass and was left wide open at point blank range when Dun turned his head in the direction of the pass. Although I like the W's without Dun and Murph, I make it a point to watch Pacers games just to see how they're doing. Dun had some flashes of brilliance as always and Murph seems to be finding his old rhythm. Diogu looks just as lost as before.
<div class="quote_poster">AnimeFANatic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">You're the last person I thought who would say that. </div> Admittedly, I was a fan. Dunleavy was a part of the team, a key part, and I wanted to be as positive as possible. Now that he's been traded, reality hits home.
<div class="quote_poster">philsmith75 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Admittedly, I was a fan. Dunleavy was a part of the team, a key part, and I wanted to be as positive as possible. Now that he's been traded, reality hits home.</div> As much as I criticized Dunleavy's game, I saw some value in what he did. The problem with Dunleavy was he couldn't make up for his weaknesses with a better shot touch. I think that's been one factor where college stars have a game which doesn't translate to nba matchups. Even in the olympics against international teams, we still need to have strong shooters. Unfortunately, Dunleavy wasn't one of them. But the rest of his game regarding offense awareness seemed pretty sound. Too bad he didn't have the strength and footwork to take advantage of his size or to go inside strong off the drive. If the next player that is Dunleavy-like comes along, we shouldn't be biased against that guy. There's been a few players of that body type to come out strong, but they have to shoot well or else they can't survive because they have no defensive strengths.
Also, although Nelson has give up on Diogu, I think he's one of the few nba players that actually knows how to score using solid footwork and ability to score on either side of the rim. When one has that, the game will come easily once the offensive sets are learned. People forget that big men typically take more time to develop than nba guards. Even the supposedly nba-ready Diogu has to grow because on his team, they didn't run offensive sets. It just the Diogu show at ASU and that was it. Listen to REREM and he'll talk all about it. I think he's got some legit statements regarding Diogu and the power forward situation right now. It takes a strong rebounder, inside scorer, solid passer, and shotblocking defender to make an anchor for this franchise. Who knows, maybe Diogu could have been that candidate because he could score inside, block some shots, pass from the high post, and had an inside/outside game with ability to get to the foul line. We just have to find a player like this later on and hopefully he'll be better than Diogu when it comes to halfcourt/fastbreak offense.
<div class="quote_poster">custodianrules2 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Also, although Nelson has give up on Diogu, I think he's one of the few nba players that actually knows how to score using solid footwork and ability to score on either side of the rim. When one has that, the game will come easily once the offensive sets are learned. People forget that big men typically take more time to develop than nba guards. Even the supposedly nba-ready Diogu has to grow because on his team, they didn't run offensive sets. It just the Diogu show at ASU and that was it. Listen to REREM and he'll talk all about it. I think he's got some legit statements regarding Diogu and the power forward situation right now. It takes a strong rebounder, inside scorer, solid passer, and shotblocking defender to make an anchor for this franchise. Who knows, maybe Diogu could have been that candidate because he could score inside, block some shots, pass from the high post, and had an inside/outside game with ability to get to the foul line. We just have to find a player like this later on and hopefully he'll be better than Diogu when it comes to halfcourt/fastbreak offense.</div> I know you still like Ike, but Nelson didn't. He even gave Ike a backhanded compliment when he said he liked Josh Powell's game and he knows the plays and is positioned where he should be. Maybe Ike will finally learn the Pacers playbook, but the guy has limited upside even though he can play inside. He can't do what he did at ASU in the NBA. We saw that as his shots were rejected. It's better to go in a different direction even though we're lacking in big men right now. For the Warriors, getting rid of Murfleavy's contracts was huge even if we did have to include Diogu.
<div class="quote_poster">jason voorhees Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I know you still like Ike, but Nelson didn't. He even gave Ike a backhanded compliment when he said he liked Josh Powell's game and he knows the plays and is positioned where he should be. Maybe Ike will finally learn the Pacers playbook, but the guy has limited upside even though he can play inside. He can't do what he did at ASU in the NBA. We saw that as his shots were rejected. It's better to go in a different direction even though we're lacking in big men right now. For the Warriors, getting rid of Murfleavy's contracts was huge even if we did have to include Diogu.</div> I just hope we get back some good prospects this season come draft time or make a good trade for a F/C that doesn't involve throwing in mucho future first rounders. I'm trying not to squirm during this period of time. Smallball is not for me I guess unless we got the offensive firepower to control the tempo when the 3 point shot ain't falling or we're not getting anything in transition. The problem with this team is not just inside scoring ability from all the positions, it's the fact very few of our team can shoot consistently (like at the foul line) or trying to take midrangers. Maybe it's a question of shot selection but when there's 10% 3 point shooting on 20 attempts, I don't know what to think... We're basically living and dying by the threeball like in years passed. Deep post position IMO could help things a lot in getting more room to fire off a shot closer in. Defenses need something to collapse onto other than guard penetration.
